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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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IndyStar: Vogel Likes the Roster Dilemma He Faces

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    IndyStar: Vogel Likes the Roster Dilemma He Faces

    Pacers: Vogel likes the roster dilemma he faces | The Indianapolis Star

    Originally posted by Mike Wells
    Indiana Pacers coach Frank Vogel wouldn't have it any other way.

    Vogel knows he and his staff will spend time mixing and matching players, seeking the right combination to give the Pacers their best chance of winning.

    Vogel may experience his fair share of headaches along the way, but he said it's worth it because the Pacers are putting together their deepest team in years.

    "It's fun; it is a challenge. The talent level on this team is even better than it was last year. I'm going to have a lot of tough decisions to make, but they're good tough decisions. We've got a lot of good players on this team," Vogel said.

    The depth will improve even more today when power forward David West practices with his new team for the first time.

    West, a former All-Star at New Orleans, agreed to a two-year deal with the Pacers over the weekend.

    "I think it adds tremendous depth for us, especially at the power forward position," small forward Danny Granger said. "He comes from a team that has won over the past four or five years. He knows how to play the game. With our team, we need that because we have so many young pieces."

    Pacers President Larry Bird knew the Pacers were not going to get a true superstar on the free agent market. The best way for the Pacers to succeed is by adding depth so that they can wear their opponent down over the course of a 48-minute game.

    "We're going to be a really good team," point guard Darren Collison said. "I think Larry and (general manager) David (Morway) did a good job bringing the team together, especially off the bench."

    Vogel will be responsible for managing egos because playing time could be reduced for some players.

    George Hill is battling Collison for the starting point guard spot. West and Tyler Hansbrough will compete at power forward. Dahntay Jones and Brandon Rush, if he's still on the roster, will push Paul George for minutes at shooting guard. Lance Stephenson has also been impressive through the first part of training camp.

    "It's always a challenge because everybody wants to play 48 minutes," Vogel said. "My job is to decipher who is earning their roles, who is earning the minutes and communicate clearly to the guys what their roles will be."

    Vogel said Granger and Roy Hibbert will get substantial playing time. It's up in the air after that.

    "We want to have the best players on the court," Vogel said. "Certainly there are certain guys that I know I want to play them a certain amount of minutes. They need to be on the court because they're that good. Then from that standpoint, you figure out who's playing well with whom. Chemistry definitely comes into play."

    Depth will be key because of the condensed 66-game NBA schedule over a four-month span. The Pacers have 17 sets of back-to-back games and they'll likely endure some injuries along the way.

    "I think we're kind of loaded at every position really," Granger said. "I think with the more games per week that we have, we're going to need to go deep on the bench."

    Pacers release Posey

    The Pacers released forward James Posey and his $7.5 million contract under the league's amnesty clause. Under the terms of the new collective bargaining agreement, teams may release one player on the roster.

    Posey, who was told last week not to report to training camp, will receive his full salary, but that won't count against the Pacers' salary cap.

    Acquired from New Orleans in August 2010, Posey will become a free agent in three days if he goes unclaimed through the waiver process.

    "We want to thank the Pacers for using their amnesty on James so that he could pursue opportunities on other teams," said Posey's agent, Mark Bartelstein.

    Pacers trade update

    Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley told the Memphis Commercial Appeal on Monday that they are not trying to trade guard O.J. Mayo.
    "Right now, we do not have any active effort going to trade O.J. Mayo," Heisley told the newspaper.

    The Pacers recently proposed a sign-and-trade offer that would send Josh McRoberts and Brandon Rush to Memphis for Mayo.
    "I'm trying to stay focused and not worry about the business side of the organization," Rush said.

    The Pacers will likely turn their attention back to free agent Jamal Crawford if they can't get Mayo.
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    Re: IndyStar: Vogel Likes the Roster Dilemma He Faces

    I just hope we get some sort of defined rotation pretty quick. Last year players were too scared to mess up because of the inconsistent rotations.

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      Re: IndyStar: Vogel Likes the Roster Dilemma He Faces

      George Hill is battling Collison for the starting point guard spot. West and Tyler Hansbrough will compete at power forward. Dahntay Jones and Brandon Rush, if he's still on the roster, will push Paul George for minutes at shooting guard. Lance Stephenson has also been impressive through the first part of training camp.
      I hope this part is true, I hope they don't take into consideration salaries that much.
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        Re: IndyStar: Vogel Likes the Roster Dilemma He Faces

        You don't sign David West to that contract and put up THAT banner if he's not going to start.


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          Re: IndyStar: Vogel Likes the Roster Dilemma He Faces

          Just think how much more crazy it'll be if we get Mayo.

          Rush and Jones won't see the light of day.

          Still want Lance to get minutes, as well as for a few minutes a game to see Lance and Mayo (if we get him) in the backcourt together. Wow, that'll be fun to watch.
          First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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            Re: IndyStar: Vogel Likes the Roster Dilemma He Faces

            I want Vogel to figure out how the Frontcourt rotation is going to work with West and Hansbrough.

            I have a feeling that Hansbrough is going to play some backup Center minutes.
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              Re: IndyStar: Vogel Likes the Roster Dilemma He Faces

              It'll be interesting to say the least.

              I'm glad to hear that Hill is getting looked at for the starting PG roll. It'll be really intriguing if we get Mayo. In my mind, Hill, Mayo, and Granger are all better players than Collison, and George has considerably more potential. There are often times when, to get our best lineup on the floor, Granger might have to play PF and we might have to go uber-small and push West or Tyler up to C. I'm really hoping that the condensed season combined with the depth of the team leads Vogel to play a 10 man rotation consistently.

              I disagree with Granger, though, that we're loaded at every position. Collison and Price are the only true PG's on the roster, and if we play Price much we'll be doing it at the expense of other, more talented players. Also, Hibbert and Foster are the only C's on the roster. I don't think Foster will play more than 50 games this year, and Hibbert has never shown any aptitude for consistency of performance.
              "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

              - Salman Rushdie

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                Re: IndyStar: Vogel Likes the Roster Dilemma He Faces

                We seem to forget that Jeff Pendergraph (whose nickname, I feel, should be Black Dynamite) will also have to receive minutes, alongside Hansbro and West. I'm not sure what is expected of him, but given the chance, I think he'll show how valuable he truly is.

                Besides that, Jones and Rush are on their ways out of Indy, we just have to find the right flight on which to put them. As soon as Crawford makes his decision, we'll be more aware of what's to happen, but even if we do pick him up, we have to clear up the traffic jam at the wing, because Rush and Jones won't be willing to suit up and bench down.

                Any ideas of teams who need wings? Boston, Chicago, NOH, Washington?
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                  Re: IndyStar: Vogel Likes the Roster Dilemma He Faces

                  Originally posted by imbtyler View Post
                  We seem to forget that Jeff Pendergraph (whose nickname, I feel, should be Black Dynamite) will also have to receive minutes, alongside Hansbro and West. I'm not sure what is expected of him, but given the chance, I think he'll show how valuable he truly is.
                  Pendergraph will probably be in a suit, more often than not.

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                    Re: IndyStar: Vogel Likes the Roster Dilemma He Faces

                    Originally posted by CooperManning View Post
                    Pendergraph will probably be in a suit, more often than not.
                    If the season started right now, the only minutes I could see Pendergraph getting are the backup C minutes when Foster's back is acting up.

                    If there are situations where a healthy West and Hansbrough are sitting on the bench while Pendergraph is playing, then something is wrong.
                    "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

                    - Salman Rushdie

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