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    Right now everybody is talking like Bird is negotiating the deals but isn't this Pritchard's dept. and what he was brought in for. Is it Pritch doing the deals and then getting Bird's approval? Are they negotiating together? I'm confused

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    Who cares as long as they're good

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    Agree with this.

    I think its Pritchard though. He's a very savvy GM was only a matter of time before he put his stamp on us.

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    Good God, Larry can't win for losing.

    Who will be the first to claim Pritchard climbed into his Tardis and was responsible for the George Hill trade as well?
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    What if it's Brooke Olzendam?

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    Not Bird. Never Bird. Unless it sucked.

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    Why does no one ever give David Moreway any credit? The man only orchestrated the largest trade exemption in league history (at the time) yet everybody assumes he's a boob.


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    Not Bird. Never Bird. Unless it sucked.
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    Pretty sure it's Bird. Bird's hallmark is extreme patience, no matter how antsy the fans get.

    Though I'm sure Pritchard has input too.

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    I thought KP's problem is that he can be kind of a jerk to other GM's? I would give the credit to Bird but what do I know.

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    Why does no one ever give David Moreway any credit? The man only orchestrated the largest trade exemption in league history (at the time) yet everybody assumes he's a boob.
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    Why does no one ever give David Moreway any credit? The man only orchestrated the largest trade exemption in league history (at the time) yet everybody assumes he's a boob.
    I really think we just finally have a FO where everyone has strengths that complement each others' weaknesses.

    My only beef with Morway remains his ability to interact with internal personnel, but that has nothing to do with giving credit where it is due for trade activity.
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    I very much appreciate Morway, if their duties are split like I've always thought. Bird says who/what he wants, Morway making all the numbers work. Make a really nice duo.

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    It has to be Bird, Pritchard is known for making multiple pieces trades and things like that.

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    Why does no one ever give David Moreway any credit? The man only orchestrated the largest trade exemption in league history (at the time) yet everybody assumes he's a boob.
    What deal was that? Not trying to be sarcastic, just trying to learn something today.
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    I very much appreciate Morway, if their duties are split like I've always thought. Bird says who/what he wants, Morway making all the numbers work. Make a really nice duo.
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    Wow that is extremely unfair to Larry Bird and David Morway (who people constantly seem to forget about).

    I had my reservations about Bird and Morway, too, and my faith in them hit rock-bottom when they weren't able to file in the Memphis-trade in time.

    But even though I questioned them quite a lot, they made me eat my words more than once.

    I supported to tank the remainder of the horrible 09/10 season after being out of the playoff running. I wanted to increase our chance to get John Wall. Bird made it clear they will try to win every single game regardless and that losing on purpose wouldn't fit the culture they tried to build (the same relentless culture they showed in the 1st round series versus the Bulls). So we ended up with a late lottery pick and people didn't expect us to get anything better than a role player (best case). Instead, Bird took a flyer on a 19y old skinny guard from California (doesn't that sound familiar?) and right now our hopes of becoming a contender live and die with this kid (Paul George obviously).

    I was furious that we didn't turn McRoberts into OJ Mayo (not because I don't like McRoberts, but because I thought -and still think- that we lack a SG who can create his own shot). I didn't care much about the 1st round pick either since I expected the Pacers to make the playoffs and didn't see much potential in this year's meager draft. Also, McRoberts helped us to make the playoffs and give the Bulls a tough time. Instead we kept our 1st round pick and turned it into local kid George Hill who happened to be the favorite player of Greg Popovich, arguably the best coach in the game right now. As it turns out, we are about to revive the McRoberts-Mayo trade but instead of giving up a pick we might do it straight up. Even better. Plus we don't have McRoberts under contract, so we basically turn nothing into OJ mayo.

    Now people started to get impatient after TWO days of free agency gone by without the Pacers having made a splash. People started to make fun of Bird that Pendergraph would be the only guy he could lure to an up-and-coming team like the Pacers. Some even pushed him to overpay for Nene. And yes, admittedly, I also began to feel impatient. Bird proved me wrong again. He was not only able to get David West, who I consider a really good fit for reasons widely discussed (taking pressure off of Granger, let teams pay for double teams on Hibbert, able to make FG, good locker-room guy, veteran presence, and so on). No, he was also able to get him to sign for just two years which pretty much eliminates any risk his health may cause since he will become a valuable trading chip if he doesn't pan out. By the way, he beat the Boston Celtics to it who were very keen on West, too, and even offered him a longer contract.

    So, I have high hopes in Bird. While Pritchard might be savvy, Bird is patient, unswerving. On top, he has a clear plan that he displayed some three years ago. He stuck to it no matter what. I value that.
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    If I had to bet, I'd bet it is a team effort of the 3 Amigo's!
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    Why can't it be all three.

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    What deal was that? Not trying to be sarcastic, just trying to learn something today.
    Peja sign and trade. We used it to sign Al Harrington.

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    Did Pritchard have anything to do with Murphy for Collison? Did he have anything to do with the George Hill trade? Did he have anything to do with the Mayo deal that fell apart at last year's deadline (of which this new deal is nearly identical)

    Was Pritchard part of the group that flew out to see Nene? Then why should we believe he had anything to do with signing West?

    After all the **** Bird has caught over the years, trying to give Pritchard the credit for recent moves is total BS. Give the man his due.
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    I imagine it's Bird. He's always indicated that this would be the summer where we'd finally make a splash. That's not to say Morway and to a lesser extent Pritchard haven't played a role.

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    Did Pritchard have anything to do with Murphy for Collison? Did he have anything to do with the George Hill trade? Did he have anything to do with the Mayo deal that fell apart at last year's deadline (of which this new deal is nearly identical)

    Was Pritchard part of the group that flew out to see Nene? Then why should we believe he had anything to do with signing West?

    After all the **** Bird has caught over the years, trying to give Pritchard the credit for recent moves is total BS. Give the man his due.
    Unless you work in the Pacers FO you don't know anything for sure. It's possible that Pritch is doing most of the phone negotiating and making the suggestions for trade scenarios. Personally I think it's probably all three bouncing ideas off each other.

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    Wow that is extremely unfair to Larry Bird and David Morway (who people constantly seem to forget about).

    I had my reservations about Bird and Morway, too, and my faith in them hit rock-bottom when they weren't able to file in the Memphis-trade in time.

    But even though I questioned them quite a lot, they made me eat my words more than once.

    I supported to tank the remainder of the horrible 09/10 season after being out of the playoff running. I wanted to increase our chance to get John Wall. Bird made it clear they will try to win every single game regardless and that losing on purpose wouldn't fit the culture they tried to build (the same relentless culture they showed in the 1st round series versus the Bulls). So we ended up with a late lottery pick and people didn't expect us to get anything better than a role player (best case). Instead, Bird took a flyer on a 19y old skinny guard from California (doesn't that sound familiar?) and right now our hopes of becoming a contender live and die with this kid (Paul George obviously).

    I was furious that we didn't turn McRoberts into OJ Mayo (not because I don't like McRoberts, but because I thought -and still think- that we lack a SG who can create his own shot). I didn't care much about the 1st round pick either since I expected the Pacers to make the playoffs and didn't see much potential in this year's meager draft. Also, McRoberts helped us to make the playoffs and give the Bulls a tough time. Instead we kept our 1st round pick and turned it into local kid George Hill who happened to be the favorite player of Greg Popovich, arguably the best coach in the game right now. As it turns out, we are about to revive the McRoberts-Mayo trade but instead of giving up a pick we might do it straight up. Even better. Plus we don't have McRoberts under contract, so we basically turn nothing into OJ mayo.

    Now people started to get impatient after TWO days of free agency gone by without the Pacers having made a splash. People started to make fun of Bird that Pendergraph would be the only guy he could lure to an up-and-coming team like the Pacers. Some even pushed him to overpay for Nene. And yes, admittedly, I also began to feel impatient. Bird proved me wrong again. He was not only able to get David West, who I consider a really good fit for reasons widely discussed (taking pressure off of Granger, let teams pay for double teams on Hibbert, able to make FG, good locker-room guy, veteran presence, and so on). No, he was also able to get him to sign for just two years which pretty much eliminates any risk his health may cause since he will become a valuable trading chip if he doesn't pan out. By the way, he beat the Boston Celtics to it who were very keen on West, too, and even offered him a longer contract.

    So, I have high hopes in Bird. While Pritchard might be savvy, Bird is patient, unswerving. On top, he has a clear plan that he displayed some three years ago. He stuck to it no matter what. I value that.
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