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    Luck was runner up

    As a believer of the Heisman curse with QBs I will be relieved when we draft Luck at #1

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    Default Re: Robert Griffin III won the Heisman

    Monte Ball should of won but RG3 was great as well

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    I don't think Montae Ball is a big enough name to warrant a Heisman

    At least compared to Luck/Griffin who have been talked about all season

    And the Honey Badger.

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    Who cares about college football

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    Who cares about college football
    I do. What's your point?

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    Who cares about college football


    A lot of people actually.

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    Default Re: Robert Griffin III won the Heisman

    To me, it's a completely broken sport. The fact LSU has to beat Alabama AGAIN to win the national title, while everyone else doesn't get a chance is just flat out stupid. Especially when the mantra for the SEC and the BCS is "every game counts", well, that is apparently true...unless you're Alabama.

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    Default Re: Robert Griffin III won the Heisman

    We won't draft Luck (ding). We're drafting Matt Barkley from USC.
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    To me, it's a completely broken sport. The fact LSU has to beat Alabama AGAIN to win the national title, while everyone else doesn't get a chance is just flat out stupid. Especially when the mantra for the SEC and the BCS is "every game counts", well, that is apparently true...unless you're Alabama.
    To play the devil's advocate, LSU vs Alabama is a match up of the two best teams, and it's not like rematches never happen with playoffs. The Giants beat New England for the Super Bowl after NE had beaten them in the regular season already to go 16-0. In 1985, Villanova beat Georgetown for the championship after Georgetown had beaten them twice in the regular season already.

    The NCAA Men's tournament gave us an 8th seeded Butler vs a UConn team that finished 9th in their Conference. No one in their right mind would say they were even close to the top two teams in the land.

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    Yes, but there were at least tournaments that set up those rematches.

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    I dont care about college football. In fact I dont know why I even opened this thread.
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    Default Re: Robert Griffin III won the Heisman

    I think RGIII deserved it. He was by far the most exciting player to watch this year and he consistantly put up big numbers, even when his team fell short and lost the game.

    Part of me wants the Colts to trade our pick and move down and take Griffin.. He's Vick but bigger, as agile and he can pass better. Also has the clutch gene.

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    To play the devil's advocate, LSU vs Alabama is a match up of the two best teams...
    Well then, this logic dictates that the top 10 teams in the BCS standings should be the only ones considered for the 4 BSC bowls and the national title game right? And that's the way it always happens anyway right? Or are you forgetting that in 2008 a 19th ranked 9-4 Va. Tech. team scored a BCS Bowl by winning the battle of who could care less in the ACC that year? Why on earth would conference affiliation make them more deserving that years than any number of the other teams not chosen for BCS games that would have absolutely CRUSHED them that year? Like Boise State or TCU, who were both superior to Va Tech that season and not only did they get passed over by the BCS, they had to play EACH OTHER in the Poinsettia Bowl. Are you serious? This is the system we let choose a college football national champion? No thanks. Until they play a true playoff, I will consider NONE of them champions.

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    To me, it's a completely broken sport. The fact LSU has to beat Alabama AGAIN to win the national title, while everyone else doesn't get a chance is just flat out stupid. Especially when the mantra for the SEC and the BCS is "every game counts", well, that is apparently true...unless you're Alabama.

    I prefer the NFL but I grew up watching Notre Dame Football(it was considered our professional team and yes there was the Bears too but I hate them) so I still have an attachment to college football.

    And well there's Purdue (my alumnus) beyond that? I don't really care for College Football anymore.

    The BCS sucks if they had a playoff system it would be so much better.

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    Division III football has a real championship, this weekend.

    32 team playoff, five straight weeks starting Saturday after Thanksgiving, and it's all wrapped up more than a week before Christmas.

    Maybe 32 or even 16 teams in a playoff is overkill for D-1, but there is no freakin' reason not to have a REAL CHAMPION with at least an 8 team tourney, and not some farce one game fake title whose matchup is decided by sportswriters and computers.

    Pathetic.

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    Well then, this logic dictates that the top 10 teams in the BCS standings should be the only ones considered for the 4 BSC bowls and the national title game right? And that's the way it always happens anyway right? Or are you forgetting that in 2008 a 19th ranked 9-4 Va. Tech. team scored a BCS Bowl by winning the battle of who could care less in the ACC that year? Why on earth would conference affiliation make them more deserving that years than any number of the other teams not chosen for BCS games that would have absolutely CRUSHED them that year? Like Boise State or TCU, who were both superior to Va Tech that season and not only did they get passed over by the BCS, they had to play EACH OTHER in the Poinsettia Bowl. Are you serious? This is the system we let choose a college football national champion? No thanks. Until they play a true playoff, I will consider NONE of them champions.
    I'm not really sure what your point here is? My point is that under one system we get LSU and Alabama, clearly the two best teams as far as I'm concerned, in the national title game and in the other we got UConn and Butler, who weren't really the two best teams at all (and they showed it).

    I'm in favor of a playoff for football, because many years it's not clear cut between two teams, but don't act like that will clear up the griping between the have and have not leagues. If you have a playoff, they'll have to have some form of ranking the teams and you'll have the same debates. Complaining about Va Tech being ranked too high by the BCS ranking system (or picked by a selection committee) doesn't solve itself with a playoff, it just gives Va Tech a possibility to win the title! There's always going to be people who feel slighted or that others got a chance they didn't deserve.

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    Look at Alabama's resume, no impartial observer could really say they've earned that Championship bid.

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    Look at Alabama's resume, no impartial observer could really say they've earned that Championship bid.
    Other than the fact that Alabama has a higher RPI than every other school not named LSU. Alabama has a tougher SOS than anyone else in the top 10, not named LSU.

    And other than the fact that they lost to the consensus #1 team in OT by 3 points, and missed 3 other FGs just to get to that point.

    They're the best 1 loss team in the nation, hands down. If OSU wanted to crash the party then they shouldn't have gotten beat by a 6-6 team.

    There's no way you can look at OSU and Alabama and say that OSU deserves it more. No way.

    EDIT: I hate the BCS just as much as you guys, but LSU/Alabama isn't the example that should be brought up. They're the two best teams in the nation, and I fully believe that any system that would have been in place, tournament or not, would prove that.
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    I'm not going to argue that these are not the two best teams in the country considering how the last 2 teams LSU played couldn't stop them like Bama did, but the argument that Bama had a high SOS is debunked below. The SEC has some really bad teams.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt11.htm - 22
    http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/c..._rankings.html - 29
    http://www.teamrankings.com/college-...hedule-by-team - 2
    http://www.andersonsports.com/football/ACF_frnk.html - 22
    http://www.colleyrankings.com/currank.html - 26

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    Just to add to this conversation, Bama had a 4=1 record against top 15 teams, all besides 1 were won by more than 24 points and most were not home games. I agree they could have had a much tougher schedule this year, georgia southern late in the year was a joke.

    I think it is really hard to distinguish who deserves what more though in college football, it is mostly all money driven anyways, I just take it for what it is most of the time. I doubt we will ever have a playoff for various reasons, but I do think this will be a good game in which either team can win.
    Why so SERIOUS

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    I'd watch college football if I didn't already know who the top 4 teams contending for the championship was going to be.

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    SO WHO ARE THEY NEXT YEAR THEN?
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    Well, LSU didn't help at all here. They got DOMINATED by Alabama. Alabama took LSU to the woodshed, added on, and started their own sawmill.

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    I really don't get all the Griffin love on this board. The closest NFL comparison to Luck and Griffin is Peyton and Vick. Who would take Vick over Peyton?

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    I really don't get all the Griffin love on this board. The closest NFL comparison to Luck and Griffin is Peyton and Vick. Who would take Vick over Peyton?
    The closest NFL comparison to Luck is Peyton? I dunno about that.

    I also think you'd find that Vick never approached the passing numbers Griffin had this year.

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