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Should we overpay for Nene?

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  • #16
    Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

    Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
    With the report the Nets have offered 4/70, 17.5 per year, I'm not interested in getting into a bidding war for Nene's services. Bird is right by not doing it. AND we all know I don't often say Bird is right about something. I'm adopting the Bird philosophy of PATIENCE. Find a player/players thru a trade or two.
    The report says 65mil, either way I am going to keep beating the same drum, many people here don't want to trade anybody and to make a trade we are gonna have to trade somebody, if overpaying Nene 3mil more a year let's you keep your core intact you do it.

    OK let's make a trade for Millsap and then we have to send at least one young player+picks, nice we have our PF but now we need to pay for another center because Milsap can't play center, how much extra we are going to pay for a decent center? by looking at some of the contracts signed yesterday a center is not getting less than 7mil a year, so Ok now we traded our young player and picks to get Milsap 7mil(Hans,DC,Hill,Rush,Hibbert,etc) plus the new center at around 7mil so at the end of the day we ended up paying 14/15mil a year for two players instead of one and lost a young player+ pick, is it worth it to do all this to save 3mil? I don't think so.
    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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    • #17
      Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

      Nene must be feeling extremely wanted simmering away on that back burner while NJ chases Howard.
      "The greatest thing you know Comes not from above but below" Danzig

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      • #18
        This is sorta what I was getting at in my newbie thread below

        If the Pacers thought he was a real gamechanger at a position of real need, why NOT overpay? Wouldn't his value to the Pacers be awfully high?

        The numbers seem like arbitrary cutoffs. What puts us over the cap? Do we really need more players? If not, why NOT pay $18 mil if necessary (if we think he's the best guy available)? Why is 14 or 15 too much?

        Paying $10 for somebody who's not as good but seems to have a fairer price tag doesn't strike me as a sure path to the top half of the East. But that's why I ask what the goal is.

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        • #19
          Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

          Anderson Varejao looks better everyday. He solves the b/u C enter situation and can start or b/u the PF spot. He's a tuff smashmouth energy player who can bring the "D". He does not interfer with Hibbert's "O", and helps Hibbert in the paint with the "D". He's got a very reasonable type of contract. JMOAA


          Seriously, who would want to look forward to playing against the Pacers with Foster, Hans, and Varejao tuffness?
          Last edited by Justin Tyme; 12-10-2011, 01:18 PM.

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          • #20
            Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

            Woah, wait. Is this true??

            NetsDaily.com @NetsDaily 9 mins Reply Retweeted Favorite · Open
            From @chadfordinsider last night. Max for Nene, $15.5M. That's roughly $64M over 4. tinyurl.com/7aq77k3

            @chadfordinsider
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            Max deal #'s under new CBA: 25% is $12.9 M (i.e. Gasol) … 30% is $15.5 M (ie. Nene) … 35% is $18.1 M (player with 10+ yr service)

            The MOST Nene can get from anyone but Denver is a deal starting at $15.5m???

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            • #21
              Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

              Originally posted by Hicks View Post
              Woah, wait. Is this true??

              NetsDaily.com @NetsDaily 9 mins Reply Retweeted Favorite · Open
              From @chadfordinsider last night. Max for Nene, $15.5M. That's roughly $64M over 4. tinyurl.com/7aq77k3

              @chadfordinsider
              Following

              Max deal #'s under new CBA: 25% is $12.9 M (i.e. Gasol) … 30% is $15.5 M (ie. Nene) … 35% is $18.1 M (player with 10+ yr service)

              The MOST Nene can get from anyone but Denver is a deal starting at $15.5m???
              Yes I posted that at the Nene thread yesterday, I think you can start at 15.5 and go up for up to 4years
              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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              • #22
                Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                The report says 65mil, either way I am going to keep beating the same drum, many people here don't want to trade anybody and to make a trade we are gonna have to trade somebody, if overpaying Nene 3mil more a year let's you keep your core intact you do it.

                OK let's make a trade for Millsap and then we have to send at least one young player+picks, nice we have our PF but now we need to pay for another center because Milsap can't play center, how much extra we are going to pay for a decent center? by looking at some of the contracts signed yesterday a center is not getting less than 7mil a year, so Ok now we traded our young player and picks to get Milsap 7mil(Hans,DC,Hill,Rush,Hibbert,etc) plus the new center at around 7mil so at the end of the day we ended up paying 14/15mil a year for two players instead of one and lost a young player+ pick, is it worth it to do all this to save 3mil? I don't think so.

                Shame on you, of all people, for forgetting Varejao.

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                • #23
                  Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                  In my opinion anything over $10 million a year is overpaying. Anything at $14 million or above is borderline criminal incompetance.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                    I'll repost from the Nene thread.

                    I don't think NJ has formally offerred him anything - how could they when they are in the Dwight Howard sweepstakes? Signing Nene would take them out of that. If all that money was on the table, Nene would have signed already.

                    I'm sure the Nets have told him Dwight is their priority, but if it falls through they will compensate him more than what other teams are offering. Nene is just in a waiting game now. If NJ lands Dwight, game over, and suddenly our offer (or Denver or Houston) now becomes his best option.

                    Gasol is likely in the same boat. Memphis has likely low-balled him and would rather match an offer, however teams like Indy, Houston, etc., are all waiting on Nene, who is waiting on Dwight.

                    Once Dwight's fate is decided, all the dominos will fall

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                    • #25
                      Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                      Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                      Shame on you, of all people, for forgetting Varejao.
                      Hey you know I love Varejao, I am just not sure how healthy he is after not playing much last year, I want to see him playing first before making a decision.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                        Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                        He's a game changer because of what his presence does to the rest of our team. He makes us much bigger, he gives us a much needed big, strong, athletic finisher at the 4, he gives us two strong options at the C spot. That would have a DRAMATIC effect on this team, IMO.

                        I here ya, but I just can't see 17 mil or more to get him. Unless the 4th year is a Team Option, which I highly doubt he'd be willing to do. It's a hard tuff decision, and one I'm glad I don't have to be the one to make.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                          The Pacers have until March the 15th to find the right pieces to the puzzle. Getting caught up in the heat of a bidding war isn't prudent way to do things IMO.

                          What is the date that you can trade a signed FA this year?

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                          • #28
                            Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                            Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                            He's a game changer because of what his presence does to the rest of our team. He makes us much bigger, he gives us a much needed big, strong, athletic finisher at the 4, he gives us two strong options at the C spot. That would have a DRAMATIC effect on this team, IMO.
                            I think a lot of his talent gets minimized until we gt a true point guard that can deliver the ball in transition or set up easy buckets in half court. For example, Josh is an amazing finisher who will look much, much better on the Lakers (if they get Paul) or Grizzlies.

                            The opposite will happen here. Nene is not a shot creator and Karl's offense was designed effectively to maximize Nene's strengths.

                            I hope we get him because he appears to be the best available piece, but I think his production will drop without someone like Rondo here.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                              Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                              The Pacers have until March the 15th to find the right pieces to the puzzle. Getting caught up in the heat of a bidding war isn't prudent way to do things IMO.

                              What is the date that you can trade a signed FA this year?
                              This is crucial. If it were before March 15, the amnesty player strategy would be the best way for us to collect assets, IMO.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                                Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                                This is crucial. If it were before March 15, the amnesty player strategy would be the best way for us to collect assets, IMO.
                                But are those amnesty players really going to help you to win anything? they are getting amnesty for a reason, they could be nice additions if you want to complement the players you have but they shouldn't be "the additions".
                                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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