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Should we overpay for Nene?

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  • #46
    Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

    Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
    well that would be wrong, he never made that kind of money in Indiana, he was traded the year he threatened making 19.2 million and while we can argue JO after his injuries, when he signed for 13 mio starting max contract, he was worth it and others were ready to give it to him as well.

    but 13 starting, and you are prepared to give 17 starting to Nene? for 4 years ? JO was a double double player when he got that contract, Nene is not even close to that class.
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    • #47
      Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

      Originally posted by able View Post
      I don't agree with you and I'll keep it at that, I think 14 was overpaying, but market determines real value, not what we think.
      However I have a question, who's that PF you refer to in 6 ?
      Ok. JO played 42 games his last year and shot 44% from the floor.

      Historically he may have been more like 65% of his games and average out to 45% his last 5 years. Still I hope no one thinks that was a good contract.

      In contrast, Nene has averaged 78 games a year and over 60% from the floor for the last 3 years.

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      • #48
        Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

        Originally posted by able View Post
        well that would be wrong, he never made that kind of money in Indiana, he was traded the year he threatened making 19.2 million .

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        • #49
          Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

          Originally posted by able View Post
          well that would be wrong, he never made that kind of money in Indiana, he was traded the year he threatened making 19.2 million and while we can argue JO after his injuries, when he signed for 13 mio starting max contract, he was worth it and others were ready to give it to him as well.

          but 13 starting, and you are prepared to give 17 starting to Nene? for 4 years ? JO was a double double player when he got that contract, Nene is not even close to that class.
          Murphy is the double double king. Now what was your point?

          Jermaine was a good player and might have been worth his original contract. He had far more potential than Nene. In this instance, however, I'm agreeing that this would be overpaying. The difference, however, is that sometimes you have to overpay to make real progress. The Pacers are going to be hard pressed to avoid that, particularly when talent is concentrating in other places...

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          • #50
            Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

            Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
            Ok. JO played 42 games his last year and shot 44% from the floor.

            Historically he may have been more like 65% of his games and average out to 45% his last 5 years. Still I hope no one thinks that was a good contract.

            In contrast, Nene has averaged 78 games a year and over 60% from the floor for the last 3 years.
            71.96 % over all 8 years

            94% over the 1st 4 years
            63% over the last 4 years

            numbers also influenced by 15 games suspension, not taken out

            salary over the 1st 4 years

            6,325
            6,900
            13,152
            14,173


            Nene, taken 8 years as well, starting his 2nd year (9 year vet)

            68.17 over tall 8 years

            1st 4 years 60.06%
            last 4 years 76.22%


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            • #51
              Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

              Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
              The difference, however, is that sometimes you have to overpay to make real progress. The Pacers are going to be hard pressed to avoid that, particularly when talent is concentrating in other places...
              In part i want to give you that one, which is why i agreed to say 14 mio for Nene, but that is indeed the absolutge max and already seriously overpaid.
              I dont care who signs him for more, they will come to regret it.

              he plays a physical part in a contact sport, and he is 29 with a history.

              JO never really recovered from the 04-05 injury/suspension, yet in the 2 following years he still gave us close to 20/10

              he really dropped of when he turned 29 and that is not unfamiliar for PF's
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              • #52
                Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                I guess I don't understand 'pro-rated'. ?
                there are only 66 games this year so salaries are reduced to 66/82 of their normal value.

                example. salary cap = $58M. max salary of 25% is 58 x 25% = 14.5. 14.5 is the cap number. but this year the players will not get their full salary because the league only plays 66 games. the salary is pro-rated for that 66 game by taking the 14.5 x 66/82 = 12.9. a guy like marc gasol will only earn 12.9 million this year because the teams play less games than normal.

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                • #53
                  Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                  I'm not claiming JO, when originally signed, was as overpaid. But his contract became far worse than what Nene's could possibly be.

                  You disguise the real facts Able. The reality is that he was paid almost 19M a year the last two years in Indiana and was owed well over 20M a year his last two years of his contract signed with Indiana. At that time, he was on the bench about half the time and was owed over 44M the last two years...and his productivity and effectiveness was terrible. Dude never was efficient for us...never over 50% and as a big man that's weak.

                  Anyway, the point is, his contract was many, many times worse than Nene's contract would be and worse than it could be.

                  Edit: BTW, technically we didn't pay JO 44+ million his last two years since he was traded, but in reality we committed to it. There is a cost there that we did incur.
                  Last edited by BlueNGold; 12-10-2011, 07:22 PM.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                    If we can get him for 15, then I would, it would be valuable for our team, if we want to contend then we need to act like it and make the moves.
                    Why so SERIOUS

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                    • #55
                      Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                      Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                      Anderson Varejao looks better everyday. He solves the b/u C enter situation and can start or b/u the PF spot. He's a tuff smashmouth energy player who can bring the "D". He does not interfer with Hibbert's "O", and helps Hibbert in the paint with the "D". He's got a very reasonable type of contract. JMOAA


                      Seriously, who would want to look forward to playing against the Pacers with Foster, Hans, and Varejao tuffness?
                      I know that you'd love to get SideShow Bob....but despite the assumption that the Cavs are rebuilding, SideShow Bob...is owed roughly $36+ mil over the next 4 seasons....which IMHO...is a fairly good price for a Startinq quality Center. IMHO....he's a good piece to have as a foundation for a rebuilding Team like the Cavs.

                      Ignoring that....if he could be had....how much would you be willing to give up to get him?

                      I'd think that it would minimally cost a 1st+TPE+Prospect to get him....IMHO...he's not going to be had for mere capspace and I doubt that adding a 1st round pick would make much of a difference.

                      I'm not disagreeing with you that he's a great Player to have...I'm just saying that I think that he will come at a cost that we may not want to pay.
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                      • #56
                        Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                        Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                        I know that you'd love to get SideShow Bob....but despite the assumption that the Cavs are rebuilding, SideShow Bob...is owed roughly $36+ mil over the next 4 seasons....which IMHO...is a fairly good price for a Startinq quality Center. IMHO....he's a good piece to have as a foundation for a rebuilding Team like the Cavs.

                        Ignoring that....if he could be had....how much would you be willing to give up to get him?

                        I'd think that it would minimally cost a 1st+TPE+Prospect to get him....IMHO...he's not going to be had for mere capspace and I doubt that adding a 1st round pick would make much of a difference.

                        I'm not disagreeing with you that he's a great Player to have...I'm just saying that I think that he will come at a cost that we may not want to pay.


                        Varejao's 4th year is either a TO or not guaranteed. Which makes his contract even better.

                        They just drafted PF Tristan Thompson, so my feeling is a combo of a young player (Rush or Stephenson), 1st, and Cap. They are in a rebuilding mode., so who knows.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                          I can live with Nene at 14, or if Chandler has set the market for Nene with his 58 mil contract, then I could live with that which would average 14.5.
                          If we land Nene or anyone else I hope we front load the contract. It isn't a big difference from my understanding. A 58 mil contract front loaded would start at 15.4 and go down to 13.5. At least it gives us a little more cap room at the end. At some point we have to draw the line. I think teams overpaying now will be at our mercy in a few years if we can stomach being patient. I think NJ's plan is a flawed one under the new cba.
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                          • #58
                            Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                            I find it odd that we lived with Posey, TJ, Tinsley, Murphy and MDJ being paid something north of 40M a year and have heartburn about spending less than half that much on a much better piece to the puzzle.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                              If Dwight is definitely off the market, then I reverse my previous stance and say that, yes, we need to go hard after Nene. Then throw the max at Eric Gordon next year and roll with a team of:

                              Hibbert
                              Nene
                              Granger
                              Gordon
                              Collison

                              That team could do some damage.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

                                Originally posted by Shade View Post
                                If Dwight is definitely off the market, then I reverse my previous stance and say that, yes, we need to go hard after Nene. Then throw the max at Eric Gordon next year and roll with a team of:

                                Hibbert
                                Nene
                                Granger
                                Gordon
                                Collison

                                That team could do some damage.
                                unless Herb Simon is gonna pay the tax and deep into the tax that isn't gonna happen regardless if it could happen.

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