View Poll Results: If 14m is Bird's limit, should we overpay for Nene?

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    Default Should we overpay for Nene?

    Decided to take a poll.

    Allegedly Bird's limit was 14m per year. So with that in mind, more than 14 is what I will define as overpay in this case.

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    IMO Bird was already willing to overpay and someone decided to overpay even more.

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    If their limit was $14M, and they honestly believe Nene takes us to another level, then I'd go up to $15M.

    However, if the asking price continued to escalate, I'd drop out.

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    I think $14M would have been too high.

    $11-$12M would be as high as I'd go.

    I don't blame Bird. If we don't make any moves, it's only because the big market teams abuse the system to get what they want and team just overpaying by a large amount for a player.
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    Of course you overpay a bit, like I've said before, if they were willing to pay 14mil, 2 and 3 mil shouldn't make that much difference, they can even amnesty DJ if they wanted to, getting Nene this year could have put the Pacers on the map as one of the best teams in the east and maybe then we could have been able to dream to bring a big name here as the last piece in the future, instead now we are gonna have to wait for a big team to clear cap space so we can get our hands in their crappy contracts.

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    Default Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

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    Nets offer to Nene is NOT $70m. More like $64m. Starting at a little above $15. You guys are reading wrong story.

    That takes the per-season salary average down from $17.5M to $16M. Less insane, but still overpaying.

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    Isn't there a max that is allowed under the CBA? Is so what is that?
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    If it averages to under 17 mil a year, and is super front loaded, I'd sign that.


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    With the report the Nets have offered 4/70, 17.5 per year, I'm not interested in getting into a bidding war for Nene's services. Bird is right by not doing it. AND we all know I don't often say Bird is right about something. I'm adopting the Bird philosophy of PATIENCE. Find a player/players thru a trade or two.

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    Was on board with overpaying....but then I started thinking about how I'd rather have Elton Brand's contract for the two years it has left.

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    i wpuld pay nene 17 million but thats all..... he would be a real gamechanger for the pacers and would greatly affect the future of this franchise.... we would be top 5 in the east without question......

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    i wpuld pay nene 17 million but thats all..... he would be a real gamechanger for the pacers and would greatly affect the future of this franchise.... we would be top 5 in the east without question......
    How is Nene a game changer? I guess I don't see it for a guy that never averaged more than 8 boards. I'm sure the eye test might be better, but he doesn't seem to be a good rebounder at all.

    I'd rather try and trade for Okafor. At least Okafor plays good D and has been a pretty constant averaging 10boards.

    Or go after Josh Smith (probably need a 3rd team) or Milsap. Hell, I'd rather trade for Jason Thompson/Jordan Hill than over pay by that large of an amount.
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    He's a game changer because of what his presence does to the rest of our team. He makes us much bigger, he gives us a much needed big, strong, athletic finisher at the 4, he gives us two strong options at the C spot. That would have a DRAMATIC effect on this team, IMO.

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    For that high price i'd rather take someone younger who'll be a little cheaper. My top 2 choices are Milsapp and Josh Smith. Smith will probably be a little pricier but worth it. Nene is 29. and Josh Smith way younger with more upside.

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    Bird made the right move for a guy like Nene.

    14M is a good max.

    The Nets pulled a major risk.

    Don't get me wrong I really wanted Nene, but for the price the Nets paid, no thanks.
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    With the report the Nets have offered 4/70, 17.5 per year, I'm not interested in getting into a bidding war for Nene's services. Bird is right by not doing it. AND we all know I don't often say Bird is right about something. I'm adopting the Bird philosophy of PATIENCE. Find a player/players thru a trade or two.
    The report says 65mil, either way I am going to keep beating the same drum, many people here don't want to trade anybody and to make a trade we are gonna have to trade somebody, if overpaying Nene 3mil more a year let's you keep your core intact you do it.

    OK let's make a trade for Millsap and then we have to send at least one young player+picks, nice we have our PF but now we need to pay for another center because Milsap can't play center, how much extra we are going to pay for a decent center? by looking at some of the contracts signed yesterday a center is not getting less than 7mil a year, so Ok now we traded our young player and picks to get Milsap 7mil(Hans,DC,Hill,Rush,Hibbert,etc) plus the new center at around 7mil so at the end of the day we ended up paying 14/15mil a year for two players instead of one and lost a young player+ pick, is it worth it to do all this to save 3mil? I don't think so.

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    Default Re: Should we overpay for Nene?

    Nene must be feeling extremely wanted simmering away on that back burner while NJ chases Howard.
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    Default This is sorta what I was getting at in my newbie thread below

    If the Pacers thought he was a real gamechanger at a position of real need, why NOT overpay? Wouldn't his value to the Pacers be awfully high?

    The numbers seem like arbitrary cutoffs. What puts us over the cap? Do we really need more players? If not, why NOT pay $18 mil if necessary (if we think he's the best guy available)? Why is 14 or 15 too much?

    Paying $10 for somebody who's not as good but seems to have a fairer price tag doesn't strike me as a sure path to the top half of the East. But that's why I ask what the goal is.

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    Anderson Varejao looks better everyday. He solves the b/u C enter situation and can start or b/u the PF spot. He's a tuff smashmouth energy player who can bring the "D". He does not interfer with Hibbert's "O", and helps Hibbert in the paint with the "D". He's got a very reasonable type of contract. JMOAA


    Seriously, who would want to look forward to playing against the Pacers with Foster, Hans, and Varejao tuffness?
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    Woah, wait. Is this true??

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    From @chadfordinsider last night. Max for Nene, $15.5M. That's roughly $64M over 4. tinyurl.com/7aq77k3

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    Max deal #'s under new CBA: 25% is $12.9 M (i.e. Gasol) … 30% is $15.5 M (ie. Nene) … 35% is $18.1 M (player with 10+ yr service)

    The MOST Nene can get from anyone but Denver is a deal starting at $15.5m???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks View Post
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    Woah, wait. Is this true??

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    From @chadfordinsider last night. Max for Nene, $15.5M. That's roughly $64M over 4. tinyurl.com/7aq77k3

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    Max deal #'s under new CBA: 25% is $12.9 M (i.e. Gasol) … 30% is $15.5 M (ie. Nene) … 35% is $18.1 M (player with 10+ yr service)

    The MOST Nene can get from anyone but Denver is a deal starting at $15.5m???
    Yes I posted that at the Nene thread yesterday, I think you can start at 15.5 and go up for up to 4years

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    The report says 65mil, either way I am going to keep beating the same drum, many people here don't want to trade anybody and to make a trade we are gonna have to trade somebody, if overpaying Nene 3mil more a year let's you keep your core intact you do it.

    OK let's make a trade for Millsap and then we have to send at least one young player+picks, nice we have our PF but now we need to pay for another center because Milsap can't play center, how much extra we are going to pay for a decent center? by looking at some of the contracts signed yesterday a center is not getting less than 7mil a year, so Ok now we traded our young player and picks to get Milsap 7mil(Hans,DC,Hill,Rush,Hibbert,etc) plus the new center at around 7mil so at the end of the day we ended up paying 14/15mil a year for two players instead of one and lost a young player+ pick, is it worth it to do all this to save 3mil? I don't think so.

    Shame on you, of all people, for forgetting Varejao.

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    In my opinion anything over $10 million a year is overpaying. Anything at $14 million or above is borderline criminal incompetance.

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    I'll repost from the Nene thread.

    I don't think NJ has formally offerred him anything - how could they when they are in the Dwight Howard sweepstakes? Signing Nene would take them out of that. If all that money was on the table, Nene would have signed already.

    I'm sure the Nets have told him Dwight is their priority, but if it falls through they will compensate him more than what other teams are offering. Nene is just in a waiting game now. If NJ lands Dwight, game over, and suddenly our offer (or Denver or Houston) now becomes his best option.

    Gasol is likely in the same boat. Memphis has likely low-balled him and would rather match an offer, however teams like Indy, Houston, etc., are all waiting on Nene, who is waiting on Dwight.

    Once Dwight's fate is decided, all the dominos will fall

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    Shame on you, of all people, for forgetting Varejao.
    Hey you know I love Varejao, I am just not sure how healthy he is after not playing much last year, I want to see him playing first before making a decision.

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