Results 1 to 14 of 14

Thread: ESPN Boston: Celebration penalty costs title

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    28
    Posts
    5,882

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default ESPN Boston: Celebration penalty costs title

    Here is the video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP_mC...layer_embedded

    http://espn.go.com/boston/story/_/id...ool-team-title

    BOSTON -- A Massachusetts high school lost a state championship game because a player raised his arm in triumph as he ran for what would have been a go-ahead touchdown, and Boston mayor Thomas Menino doesn't like it.

    The penalty for the gesture by Cathedral High School quarterback Matthew Owens in Saturday's Division 4A Super Bowl led to the losing team wondering if the referee's decision could be challenged. The state association said Wednesday that it could not.

    "I think sometimes these rules are written by frustrated athletes," Menino said from Cathedral, according to Wednesday's Boston Herald. "They never participated in a sport, and they don't know what it is to be excited. You play in a football game, you run for a touchdown, and you do something special."

    Blue Hills Regional Technical School athletic director Ed Catabia told The Boston Globe on Sunday that the referee made "a great call, the right call."

    "We try and play by the rules, and the rule is 'no celebrating,' " he said.

    The referee was enforcing a sportsmanship rule that prohibits players from celebratory or taunting behavior while scoring a touchdown.

  2. #2
    RING THE BELL! Sandman21's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Area55
    Posts
    5,667

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: ESPN Boston: Celebration penalty costs title

    Yet another reason Massachusetts is screwed up.
    "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

    "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "
    Want your own "Just Say No to Kamen" from @mkroeger pic? http://twitpic.com/a3hmca

  3. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Sandman21 For This Useful Post:


  4. #3
    Nerd.
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Greenwood, IN
    Age
    32
    Posts
    5,032
    Mood

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: ESPN Boston: Celebration penalty costs title

    Zero tolerance policies don't work. You cannot take celebration and emotion out of sports...taunting and disrespect, yes, but not the former. Shame on the refs...

  5. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Stryder For This Useful Post:


  6. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    28
    Posts
    5,882

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: ESPN Boston: Celebration penalty costs title

    Quote Originally Posted by Stryder View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Zero tolerance policies don't work. You cannot take celebration and emotion out of sports...taunting and disrespect, yes, but not the former. Shame on the refs...
    Agreed with everything except the last line.

    I would have preferred the ref swallow his whistle, but he was simply enforcing a [stupid] rule. Shame on the idiots who created the rule in the first place.

  7. #5
    Jimmy did what Jimmy did Bball's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    19,496

    Default Re: ESPN Boston: Celebration penalty costs title

    I'd have to read the exact phrasing of the rule but I agree with the sentiment: Shame of the ref.

    Surely the rule allows for some interpretation? There's a big difference in taunting and being excited at a good play. Jumping up and down, a fist in the air, etc.... that's just emotion. It's not a choreographed, planned out thing.

    And then the penalty is to negate the play? This isn't like a holding penalty that possibly enabled the success of the play in the first place.

    Refs miss calls all the time. They make decisions about when to blow their whistles and when a rule has been violated or when the spirit of a rule has been violated. I'm not going to say 'bad rule but the ref had to make the call'. He didn't. And I bet if he didn't make the call not one person in that stadium including the opposing team would've been asking for the celebration flag.
    O'Brien has been fired! Yay! What took so long?

    ------

    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

    -John Wooden

  8. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    28
    Posts
    5,882

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: ESPN Boston: Celebration penalty costs title

    Quote Originally Posted by Bball View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I'd have to read the exact phrasing of the rule but I agree with the sentiment: Shame of the ref.

    Surely the rule allows for some interpretation? There's a big difference in taunting and being excited at a good play. Jumping up and down, a fist in the air, etc.... that's just emotion. It's not a choreographed, planned out thing.

    And then the penalty is to negate the play? This isn't like a holding penalty that possibly enabled the success of the play in the first place.

    Refs miss calls all the time. They make decisions about when to blow their whistles and when a rule has been violated or when the spirit of a rule has been violated. I'm not going to say 'bad rule but the ref had to make the call'. He didn't. And I bet if he didn't make the call not one person in that stadium including the opposing team would've been asking for the celebration flag.
    All due respect, but the opposing coach said it was a great call (apparently the same QB had another penalty earlier in the playoffs or game) and I am willing to bet a dollar to donuts he would have complained....or even protested...had that call not been made.

  9. #7
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    28
    Posts
    5,882

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: ESPN Boston: Celebration penalty costs title

    Statement from MIAA:

    MASSACHUSETTS INTERSCHOLASTIC ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION
    33 Forge Parkway, Franklin, MA 02038
    FOR RELEASE: UPON RECEIPT CONTACT: Paul Wetzel
    781-982-8899
    STATEMENT REGARDING DIVISION IV-A FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

    Franklin, MA Dec. 7, 2011 - - In response to inquiries regarding an unsportsmanlike penalty called in the

    Division IV-A football game the Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association (MIAA) issued the
    following statement:


    The official involved reported he had determined a violation of NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations of
    Rule 9, Section 2 covering Unsportsmanlike Conduct Section A. He called the violation and assessed the
    penalty.

    There is no provision in MIAA rules (or rules for any other sport at any other level) to overturn an official’s
    call after a game has been concluded. Once the final whistle is sounded the game is over. (Reference –
    MIAA Handbook Rule #17, Page 24) The Cathedral coach chose not to protest the call when it was made.

    At the start of the season the MIAA and football officials took comprehensive measures to ensure that
    everyone understood this rule. In fact, the officials at this game reminded the captains and coaches that there
    would be zero tolerance for any unsportsmanlike actions. Likewise, this message was communicated in the
    pre-playoff game administrative meeting, as well as the MIAA’s Super Bowl Breakfast with coaches and
    captains.

    Anyone may parse the language of rules and apply them as they see fit. Contest officials must familiarize
    themselves with the rules, both the letter and the sprit, and bring their judgment to bear in calling the game.

    Per the Points of Emphasis in the NCAA Rulebook: “When an official imposes a penalty or makes a
    decision he is simply doing his duty as he sees it. He is on the field to uphold the integrity of the game of
    football, and his decisions are final and conclusive and should be accepted by players and coaches.”

    The MIAA Philosophy reflects that high school students who participate in educational athletics learn many
    things from that experience including lessons that will be helpful as they go forward in life. While we hope
    and wish they would all be from positive experiences, sometimes that is not the case.
    Losing a game or having an official’s call go against you or your team are all part of sports. Just like athletes
    and coaches, officials try hard to do the best job possible. Athletes must learn to put these things behind
    them and move forward. During their lifetime they will experience similar situations where they feel
    “wronged” by a superior or authority figure and they must learn to deal with that situation.

    Finally, we would hope that in peoples’ reaction to this situation they would consider the students and
    coaches at Blue Hills Regional Vocational Technical School who feel their properly won championship is
    being tarnished and discredited.

  10. #8
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    28
    Posts
    5,882

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: ESPN Boston: Celebration penalty costs title

    Statement from MIAA:

    MASSACHUSETTS INTERSCHOLASTIC ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION
    33 Forge Parkway, Franklin, MA 02038
    FOR RELEASE: UPON RECEIPT CONTACT: Paul Wetzel
    781-982-8899
    STATEMENT REGARDING DIVISION IV-A FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

    Franklin, MA Dec. 7, 2011 - - In response to inquiries regarding an unsportsmanlike penalty called in the

    Division IV-A football game the Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association (MIAA) issued the
    following statement:


    The official involved reported he had determined a violation of NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations of
    Rule 9, Section 2 covering Unsportsmanlike Conduct Section A. He called the violation and assessed the
    penalty.

    There is no provision in MIAA rules (or rules for any other sport at any other level) to overturn an official’s
    call after a game has been concluded. Once the final whistle is sounded the game is over. (Reference –
    MIAA Handbook Rule #17, Page 24) The Cathedral coach chose not to protest the call when it was made.

    At the start of the season the MIAA and football officials took comprehensive measures to ensure that
    everyone understood this rule. In fact, the officials at this game reminded the captains and coaches that there
    would be zero tolerance for any unsportsmanlike actions. Likewise, this message was communicated in the
    pre-playoff game administrative meeting, as well as the MIAA’s Super Bowl Breakfast with coaches and
    captains.

    Anyone may parse the language of rules and apply them as they see fit. Contest officials must familiarize
    themselves with the rules, both the letter and the sprit, and bring their judgment to bear in calling the game.

    Per the Points of Emphasis in the NCAA Rulebook: “When an official imposes a penalty or makes a
    decision he is simply doing his duty as he sees it. He is on the field to uphold the integrity of the game of
    football, and his decisions are final and conclusive and should be accepted by players and coaches.”

    The MIAA Philosophy reflects that high school students who participate in educational athletics learn many
    things from that experience including lessons that will be helpful as they go forward in life. While we hope
    and wish they would all be from positive experiences, sometimes that is not the case.
    Losing a game or having an official’s call go against you or your team are all part of sports. Just like athletes
    and coaches, officials try hard to do the best job possible. Athletes must learn to put these things behind
    them and move forward. During their lifetime they will experience similar situations where they feel
    “wronged” by a superior or authority figure and they must learn to deal with that situation.

    Finally, we would hope that in peoples’ reaction to this situation they would consider the students and
    coaches at Blue Hills Regional Vocational Technical School who feel their properly won championship is
    being tarnished and discredited.

  11. #9
    Jimmy did what Jimmy did Bball's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    19,496

    Default Re: ESPN Boston: Celebration penalty costs title

    Finally, we would hope that in peoples’ reaction to this situation they would consider the students and
    coaches at Blue Hills Regional Vocational Technical School who feel their properly won championship is
    being tarnished and discredited.
    Because that is exactly what it is.... It's tarnished and discredited. What about the team that thought they'd scored the go ahead TD late in the game?

    Sure, after the fact the opposing coach thinks it was a great call. But I bet during the game he wouldn't have blinked an eye at there being no flag.

    And it reads to me like the ref wasn't handcuffed to making the call.

    He made a bad, horrible, awful call and it had a monster impact on the game. I'd give him some latitude IF the penalty didn't nullify the play since the 'infraction' had nothing to do with the execution of the play. But the ref simply has to have the good judgment NOT to make that call for THAT alleged infraction in that high of stakes game. That ref should never ref another game because he's shown he doesn't have the proper judgment to discern between the spirit of the rule and the integrity of the game. That's something that shouldn't come with a second chance.
    O'Brien has been fired! Yay! What took so long?

    ------

    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

    -John Wooden

  12. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Bball For This Useful Post:


  13. #10
    RING THE BELL! Sandman21's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Area55
    Posts
    5,667

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: ESPN Boston: Celebration penalty costs title

    "The official involved reported he had determined a violation of NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations of
    Rule 9, Section 2 covering Unsportsmanlike Conduct Section A. He called the violation and assessed the
    penalty."

    Show me ONE NCAA ref who would make that exact same call.
    "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

    "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "
    Want your own "Just Say No to Kamen" from @mkroeger pic? http://twitpic.com/a3hmca

  14. #11
    Nerd.
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Greenwood, IN
    Age
    32
    Posts
    5,032
    Mood

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: ESPN Boston: Celebration penalty costs title

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman21 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    "The official involved reported he had determined a violation of NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations of
    Rule 9, Section 2 covering Unsportsmanlike Conduct Section A. He called the violation and assessed the
    penalty."

    Show me ONE NCAA ref who would make that exact same call.
    You might find one, but exceptions don't prove anything.

  15. #12
    Nerd.
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Greenwood, IN
    Age
    32
    Posts
    5,032
    Mood

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: ESPN Boston: Celebration penalty costs title

    Quote Originally Posted by vapacersfan View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    All due respect, but the opposing coach said it was a great call (apparently the same QB had another penalty earlier in the playoffs or game) and I am willing to bet a dollar to donuts he would have complained....or even protested...had that call not been made.
    Of course the opposing coach complained...

  16. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    28
    Posts
    5,882

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: ESPN Boston: Celebration penalty costs title

    Quote Originally Posted by Stryder View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Of course the opposing coach complained...

    Which helps prove my point..........

  17. #14
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    28
    Posts
    5,882

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: ESPN Boston: Celebration penalty costs title

    To be fair the call was made with 7:00 left in the game. I thought it was a last play of the game

Similar Threads

  1. The "Decision" Dilemma
    By Basketball Fan in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 07-22-2010, 07:51 PM
  2. 05/07/2005 Guess The Score - Pacers at Boston
    By RoboDoug in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 34
    Last Post: 05-07-2005, 10:01 PM
  3. 05/05/2005 Guess The Score - Pacers vs. Boston
    By RoboDoug in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 30
    Last Post: 05-05-2005, 11:12 PM
  4. Extensive game 3 coverage from the Boston Globe.
    By Will Galen in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 04-24-2004, 11:37 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •