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  • #16
    Re: Official 2004/05 prediction time

    Eastern Conferance

    Atlantic Division

    Boston Celtics 3
    Philadelphia 76ers 6
    New York Knicks
    New Jersey Nets
    Toronto Raptors

    Central Division

    Detroit Pistons 1
    Indiana Pacers 4
    Cleveland Cavaliers 8
    Milwaukee Bucks
    Chicago Bulls

    Southeast Division

    Washington Wizards 2
    Miami Heat 5
    Orlando Magic 7
    Atlanta Hawks
    Charlotte Bobcats


    Western Conferance

    Northwest Division

    Minnesota Timberwolves 1
    Denver Nuggets 4
    Utah Jazz 6
    Portland Trailblazers
    Seattle Sonics

    Pacific Division

    Sacramento Kings 3
    Phoenix Suns
    L.A. Lakers
    Golden State Warriors
    L.A. Clippers

    Southwest Division

    San Antonio Spurs 2
    Dallas Mavericks 5
    Memphis Grizzlies 7
    Houston Rockets 8
    New Orleans Hornets


    World Champions - San Antonio Spurs

    M.V.P.- Shaq
    D.P.O.Y. - Ron Artest
    C.O.Y. - Eddie Jordan
    R.O.Y. - Dwight Howard
    sixthman - Bobby Jackson
    M.I.P. - Grant Hill
    [edit=136=1099293261][/edit]

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    • #17
      Re: Official 2004/05 prediction time

      Originally posted by Unclebuck
      Jay, I'm sorry, still not used to the new divisions yet. I thought you were saying a team other than the Heat or Pistons were going to have a better record than the Pacers. My fault. I'm getting old, just turned 35 years old you know. I think you just did also. Hope you had a great Birthday,
      I guess we're middle aged now. I take solace in the fact that MagicRat's got us by a couple months. But the best part of October birthdays is that basketball historically has gone into full swing on my birthday (of course, that meant back in the day I'd occasionally have a gut-busting 'first practice of the season' at 6am to start my birthday celebration. )
      Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
      Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
      Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
      Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
      And life itself, rushing over me
      Life itself, the wind in black elms,
      Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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      • #18
        Re: Official 2004/05 prediction time

        Peck, check your seedings.

        Eastern Conference

        Atlantic Division

        New York Knicks (3)
        Philadelphia 76ers (5)
        Boston Celtics
        Toronto Raptors
        New Jersey Nets

        Central Division

        Detroit Pistons (1)
        Indiana Pacers (4)
        Cleveland Cavaliers (7)
        Milwaukee Bucks
        Chicago Bulls

        Southeast Division

        Miami Heat (2)
        Orlando Magic (6)
        Washington Wizards (8)
        Atlanta Hawks
        Charlotte Bobcats

        Western Conference

        Northwest Division

        Minnesota Timberwolves (2)
        Denver Nuggets (4)
        Utah Jazz (8)
        Portland Trailblazers
        Seattle Sonics

        Southwest Division

        San Antonio Spurs (1)
        Dallas Mavericks (5)
        Houston Rockets (6)
        Memphis Grizzlies
        New Orleans Hornets

        Pacific Division

        Sacramento Kings (3)
        Phoenix Suns (7)
        L.A. Lakers
        L.A. Clippers
        Golden State Warriors

        World Champions - Detroit Pistons

        M.V.P.- Shaq
        D.P.O.Y. - Kobe Bryant
        C.O.Y. - Johnny Davis
        R.O.Y. - Andre Iguodala
        sixthman - Brent Barry
        M.I.P. - Antonio McDyess
        [edit=390=1099316683][/edit]

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        • #19
          Re: Official 2004/05 prediction time

          Eastern Conferance

          Atlantic Division

          Philadelphia 76ers (3rd seed)
          New York Knicks(5th seed)
          Boston Celtics (6th seed)
          New Jersey Nets
          Toronto Raptors

          Central Division

          Detroit Pistons (1st seed)
          Indiana Pacers (4th seed)
          Cleveland Cavaliers(7th seed)
          Milwaukee Bucks
          Chicago Bulls

          Southeast Division

          Miami Heat (2nd seed)
          Washington Wizards (8th seed)
          Orlando Magic
          Atlanta Hawks
          Charlotte Bobcats


          Western Conferance

          Northwest Division

          Minnesota Timberwolves (1st Seed)
          Denver Nuggets (4th seed)
          Utah Jazz
          Portland Trailblazers
          Seattle Sonics

          Pacific Division

          Sacramento Kings (3rd Seed)
          Phoenix Suns (7th seed)
          L.A. Lakers(8th seed)
          Golden State Warriors
          L.A. Clippers

          Southwest Division

          San Antonio Spurs (2nd seed)
          Memphis Grizzlies (5th seed)
          Houston Rockets (6th seed)
          New Orleans Hornets
          Dallas Mavericks

          World Champions - Detriot Pistons

          M.V.P.- Shaq
          D.P.O.Y. - Ron Artest
          C.O.Y. - Stan Van Gundy
          R.O.Y. - Dwight Howard
          sixthman of the year - Stephen Jackson
          M.I.P. - Jonathon Bender

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          • #20
            Re: Official 2004/05 prediction time

            Atlantic Division

            New York Knicks
            Philadelphia 76ers 7
            Boston Celtics 6
            New Jersey Nets 4
            Toronto Raptors

            Central Division

            Detroit Pistons 1
            Indiana Pacers 2
            Milwaukee Bucks
            Cleveland Cavaliers 8
            Chicago Bulls

            Southeast Division

            Miami Heat 3
            Orlando Magic 5
            Washington Wizards
            Atlanta Hawks
            Charlotte Bobcats


            Western Conferance

            Northwest Division

            Minnesota Timberwolves 1
            Denver Nuggets 3
            Utah Jazz 6
            Portland Trailblazers
            Seattle Sonics

            Pacific Division

            Sacramento Kings
            Phoenix Suns 2
            L.A. Lakers 5
            Golden State Warriors
            L.A. Clippers

            Southwest Division

            San Antonio Spurs 4
            Memphis Grizzlies
            Houston Rockets 8
            Dallas Mavericks 7
            New Orleans Hornets


            World Champions - Indiana Pacers

            M.V.P.- Ron Artest
            D.P.O.Y. - Ron Artest
            C.O.Y. - Rick Carlisle
            R.O.Y. - Okafer
            sixthman of the year - Stephen Jackson (if he qualifies)
            M.I.P. - Primoz Brezec


            On the Pacers front.

            M.V.P. - Ron Artest
            scoring leader - Ron Artest
            Rebounding leader - Jermaine O'Neal
            Assist leader - Jamaal Tinsely
            Steal Leader - Ron Artest

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            • #21
              Re: Official 2004/05 prediction time

              [b]ATLANTIC
              1) :sixers: (3)
              2) (7)
              3)
              4)
              5)

              CENTRAL
              1) istons: (1)
              2) acers: (4)
              3) (5)
              4) (8)
              5)

              SOUTHEAST
              1) (2)
              2) (6)
              3)
              4)
              5)

              NORTHWEST
              1) (2)
              2) (5)
              3) (8)
              4) :blazers:
              5) :sonics:

              PACIFIC
              1) (3)
              2) (6)
              3)
              4)
              5)

              SOUTHWEST
              1) (1)
              2) (4)
              3) (7)
              4)
              5)





              EAST PLAYOFFS
              #1 istons: over #8
              #2 over #7
              #6 over #3 :sixers:
              #4 acers: over #5



              #4 acers: over #1 istons:
              #2 over #6



              #4 acers: over #2



              WEST PLAYOFFS
              #1 over #8
              #2 over #7
              #3 over #6
              #4 over #5



              #1 over #4
              #2 over #3



              #1 over #2



              NBA FINALS
              #4E acers: over #1W

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              • #22
                Re: Official 2004/05 prediction time

                Eastern Conference:

                Atlantic:

                Philadelphia (2)
                Boston (5)
                New York (7)
                New Jersey
                Toronto

                Central:

                Detroit (1)
                Indiana (4)
                Cleveland (8)
                Milwaukee
                Chicago

                South East:

                Miami (3)
                Orlando (6)
                Washington
                Atlanta
                Charlotte

                Western:

                North West:

                Minnesota (2)
                Denver (4)
                Utah (7)
                Portland
                Seattle

                Pacific:

                L.A. Lakers (3)
                Phoenix (6)
                Sacramento (8)
                Golden State
                L.A. Clippers

                South West:

                San Antonio (1)
                Houston (5)
                Dallas
                Memphis
                New Orleans

                Champions: Detroit

                MVP: Shaquille O'Neal
                ROY: Emeka Okafor
                DPOY: Ron Artest
                6th Man: Stephen Jackson
                MIP: Al Harrington
                COY: Doc Rivers

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                • #23
                  Re: Official 2004/05 prediction time

                  Eastern Conference:

                  Atlantic:

                  Philadelphia (3)
                  Boston (5)
                  New York (7)
                  New Jersey
                  Toronto

                  Central:

                  Detroit (1)
                  Indiana (4)
                  Cleveland
                  Milwaukee
                  Chicago

                  South East:

                  Miami (2)
                  Orlando (6)
                  Washington (8)
                  Atlanta
                  Charlotte

                  Western:

                  North West:

                  Minnesota (2)
                  Denver (4)
                  Utah (6)
                  Portland
                  Seattle

                  Pacific:

                  Sacramento (3)
                  Phoenix (8)
                  L.A. Lakers
                  Golden State
                  L.A. Clippers

                  South West:

                  San Antonio (1)
                  Houston (7)
                  Dallas (5)
                  Memphis
                  New Orleans

                  Champions: Detroit

                  MVP: Shaquille O'Neal
                  ROY: Andre Iguodala
                  DPOY: Andrei Kirilenko
                  6th Man: Jonathan Bender (ossed
                  16th Man: Qyntell Woods
                  MIP: Primoz Brezec
                  COY: Jerry Sloan

                  Pacers:
                  Team MVP: JO
                  Scoring Leader: JO
                  Rebounding Leader: JO
                  Assist Leader: Tinsley
                  Steal Leader: Artest

                  Regards,

                  Mourning
                  2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                  2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                  2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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                  • #24
                    Re: Official 2004/05 prediction time

                    Eastern Conference:

                    Atlantic:
                    Philadelphia (3)
                    New York (5)
                    Toronto (6)
                    Boston
                    New Jersey

                    Central:
                    Indiana (2)
                    Detroit (4)
                    Miwaukee (8)
                    Cleveland
                    Chicago

                    Southeast
                    Miami (1)
                    Orlando (7)
                    Atlanta
                    Washington
                    Charlotte

                    East Champs= Miami

                    Western Conference:

                    Northwest:
                    Minnesota (2)
                    Denver (5)
                    Utah (7)
                    Portland
                    Seattle

                    Pacific:
                    Sacramento (1)
                    Phoenix (4)
                    L.A. Lakers
                    L.A. Clippers
                    Golden State

                    Southwest:
                    San Antonio (3)
                    Memphis (6)
                    Houston (8)
                    Dallas
                    New Orleans

                    West Champs= Minnesota

                    NBA Champions=

                    MVP= Jermaine O'Neal
                    R.O.Y.= Ben Gordon
                    D.P.O.Y.= Ben Wallace
                    6th Man= Bonzi Wells
                    MIP= Al Harrington
                    C.O.Y.= Jerry Sloan

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                    • #25
                      Re: Official 2004/05 prediction time

                      What's with all these Primoz Brezec MIP copycats?

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                      • #26
                        Re: Official 2004/05 prediction time

                        Eastern Conference

                        Atlantic Division

                        New York Knicks (44-38) (3)
                        Philadelphia 76ers (43-39) (6)
                        Toronto
                        Boston
                        New Jersey

                        Central Division

                        Detroit Pistons (57-25) (1)
                        Indiana Pacers (53-29) (4)
                        Cleveland Cavaliers (42-40) (7)
                        Milwaukee Bucks
                        Chicago Bulls

                        Southeast Division

                        Orlando Magic(50-32) (2)
                        Miami Heat (49-33) (5)
                        Washington Wizards 41-41 (8)
                        Atlanta Hawks
                        Charlotte Bobcats

                        Western Conference

                        Northwest Division

                        Minnesota Timberwolves (51-31) (2)
                        Denver Nuggets (50-32) (6)
                        Utah Jazz (46-36)
                        Portland Trailblazers
                        Seattle Sonics

                        Southwest Division

                        San Antonio Spurs (55-27) (1)
                        Dallas Mavericks (54-28) (4)
                        Houston Rockets (50-32) (5)
                        Memphis Grizzlies (46-36) (8)
                        New Orleans Hornets

                        Pacific Division

                        Sacramento Kings (50-32) (3)
                        Phoenix Suns (48-34) (6)
                        L.A. Lakers (48-34) (7)
                        Golden State Warriors
                        L.A. Clippers

                        World Champions - Indiana Pacers

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                        • #27
                          Re: Official 2004/05 prediction time

                          Eastern Conference

                          Atlantic Division

                          New York Knicks (3) 46-36
                          Boston Celtics (5) 45-37
                          Toronto Raptors (8) 38-44
                          Philadelphia 76ers 36-46
                          New Jersey Nets 32-50

                          Central Division

                          Detroit Pistons (1) 55-27
                          Indiana Pacers (4) 54-28
                          Cleveland Cavaliers (6) 44-38
                          Milwaukee Bucks 37-45
                          Chicago Bulls 22-60

                          Southeast Division

                          Miami Heat (2) 50-32
                          Washington Wizards (7) 40-44
                          Orlando Magic 36-46
                          Charlotte Bobcats 24-58
                          Atlanta Hawks 21-61

                          Western Conference

                          Northwest Division

                          Minnesota Timberwolves (3) 53-29
                          Denver Nuggets (5) 49-33
                          Utah Jazz (8) 45-37
                          Portland Trailblazers 41-41
                          Seattle Sonics 27-55

                          Southwest Division

                          San Antonio Spurs (1) 57-25
                          Memphis Grizzlies (6) 48-34
                          Houston Rockets (7) 46-36
                          Dallas Mavericks 43-39
                          New Orleans Hornets 38-44

                          Pacific Division

                          Sacramento Kings (2) 55-27
                          L.A. Lakers (4) 53-29
                          Phoenix Suns 40-44
                          L.A. Clippers 32-50
                          Golden State Warriors 29-53

                          World Champions - Indiana Pacers

                          M.V.P.- Shaq
                          D.P.O.Y. - Ron Artest
                          C.O.Y. - Sam Mitchell
                          R.O.Y. - Emeka Okafor
                          sixthman - Eric Snow
                          M.I.P. - Primoz Brezec

                          ---
                          Asked afterward if O'Neal's absence contributed to Charlotte's win, Knight bristled.

                          "What about Primoz? They didn't have Shaq, but we didn't have Primoz," he said.
                          Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                          • #28
                            Re: Official 2004/05 prediction time

                            Sam Smith listed Peanut Butter as his leading candidate to win M.I.P. this season. Also had SJax as his leading candidate for the Sixth Man award - somebody might want to tell Sam that Reggie is injured and Jackson is starting.
                            Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                            Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                            Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                            Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                            And life itself, rushing over me
                            Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                            Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                            • #29
                              Re: Official 2004/05 prediction time

                              You can determine the seeding from the order of finish. So my predictions are in the order of finish, not seeds.

                              Eastern Conferance

                              Atlantic Division

                              Philadelphia 76ers (4)
                              New York Knicks (7)
                              Boston Celtics (8)
                              New Jersey Nets
                              Toronto Raptors

                              Central Division

                              Indiana Pacers (1)
                              Detroit Pistons (2)
                              Cleveland Cavaliers (5)
                              Milwaukee Bucks (6)
                              Chicago Bulls

                              Southeast Division

                              Miami Heat (3)
                              Orlando Magic
                              Washington Wizards
                              Atlanta Hawks
                              Charlotte Bobcats


                              Western Conferance

                              Northwest Division

                              Minnesota Timberwolves (1)
                              Denver Nuggets (6)
                              Utah Jazz
                              Portland Trailblazers
                              Seattle Sonics

                              Pacific Division

                              Phoenix Suns (4)
                              Sacramento Kings (5)
                              L.A. Lakers
                              L.A. Clippers
                              Golden State Warriors

                              Southwest Division

                              Dallas Mavericks (2)
                              San Antonio Spurs (3)
                              Memphis Grizzlies (7)
                              Houston Rockets (8)
                              New Orleans Hornets

                              Eastern Conference - Indiana Pacers
                              Western Conference - Minnesota Timberwolves
                              World Champions - Indiana Pacers

                              M.V.P.- Kevin Garnett
                              D.P.O.Y. - Ron Artest
                              C.O.Y. - Carlise
                              R.O.Y. - Devin Harris - Mavs
                              Sixthman of the year - Bender
                              M.I.P. - Al Harrington


                              On the Pacers front.

                              M.V.P. - Jermaine O'Neal
                              Scoring leader - Ron Artest
                              Rebounding leader - Jermaine O'Neal
                              Assist leader - Jamaal Tinsely
                              Steal Leader - Artest





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