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    The following is the roster that Avoidingtheclowns put together last season.

    I used it as an example of how to set your lineup as well as the importance of multi-position players.

    The players listed as “CF” below can play both center ( C ) or forward ( F ). They could also be listed as a FC. There are also players listed as a GF. Those players can play both guard ( G ) or forward ( F ). They also could be switched to play FG.

    CF Tim Duncan
    CF Al Horford
    CF Paul Milsap
    G Jason Kidd
    GF Tracy McGrady
    G Raymond Felton
    F Reggie Evans
    GF Hedo Turkoglu
    CF Jordon Hill
    CF Jeff Foster
    GF Dorell Wright
    F Charlie Villanueva

    In a regular NBA game there are always 5 players on the court; Two guards, two forwards & a center. Our game is just as long as an NBA game, 48 minutes. So you need to have a player or players available to play 48 minutes at center. With two forward positions to fill you need to have enough players to fill 96 minutes. Since you need to play two forwards the whole game & the game is 48 minutes long….. 48 x2 = 96. Same for the backcourt too.

    5 positions at 48 minutes each equals 240 minutes. Using the lineup above along with their season averages, lets look at how the scoring is done. All the numbers I use will be fantasy points. Scoring is always started from the player listed on top of your lineup, in this case, Tim Duncan.

    Duncan is listed as a CF in this example so whatever points he gives you with count as a center first. Duncan averaged 28 minutes a game scoring 36.2 FPPG ( Fantasy Points Per Game ).

    So, of the 48 center minutes you need to fill, you’ve used 28 with just 20 minutes available for the rest of your roster.

    Al Horford is also listed as a CF here, so his points will first count as a center. Horford averaged 35 MPG & 37.9 FPPG. Here is how the computer scores his numbers for your team. Duncan covered 28 of your 48 center minutes. Horford, playing 35 minutes, used 20 of his minutes to complete your teams minutes at the center position. Since Horford is listed as a CF, the remaining minutes he played (35-20=15) will be used to begin covering your 96 available minutes at forward.

    Duncan 28 center minutes 36.2 points
    Horford 20 center minutes, 15 forward minutes 37.9 points.

    All 48 center minutes, 15 of 96 forward minutes & 0 of 96 guard minutes have been used.

    You now have 76.1 points (36.2 + 37.9 = 74.1)

    Paul Milsap is another CF. Milsap averaged 34 minutes & 35 FPPG. Since Duncan & Horford completed your center minutes, any points Milsap contributes will count toward your forward minutes. You need to cover 96 total forward minutes & Horford helped you out with 15. Milsap will give you 34 more. Of the 96 forward minutes you need to fill, you’ve covered 49 with 47 left. 15 from Horford, 34 from Milsap = 49. 96-49=47.

    Duncan 28 center minutes 36.2 points
    Horford 20 center minutes, 15 forward minutes 37.9 points.
    Milsap 34 forward minutes 35 points.
    All 48 center minutes, 49 of 96 forward minutes & 0 of 96 guard minutes have been used.

    You now have 109.1 points (74.1 + 35 = 109.1)

    Player 4 in the lineup is Jason Kidd. Listed as just a guard, all of his 33 minutes & 31.2 FPPG will count toward filling your 96 guard minutes.

    Duncan 28 center minutes, 36.2 points
    Horford 20 center minutes, 15 forward minutes 37.9 points.
    Milsap 34 forward minutes, 35 points.
    Kidd 33 guard minutes, 31.2 points.

    All 48 center minutes, 49 of 96 forward minutes & 33 of 96 guard minutes have been used.

    You now have 140.3 points (109.1 + 31.2 = 140.3)

    Player 5 is GF, Tracy McGrady. T-Mac averaged 23 mpg & 20.7 FPPG. Since he is listed here as a guard first, all of his minutes & fantasy points will count at the guard position first. Having started with 96 minutes to fill with your guards, you’ve now played Kidd (33) & McGrady (23) for a total of 56 minutes with 40 still available for scoring. 96-33=63….. 63-23=40.

    Duncan 28 center minutes, 36.2 points
    Horford 20 center minutes, 15 forward minutes 37.9 points.
    Milsap 34 forward minutes, 35 points.
    Kidd 33 guard minutes, 31.2 points.
    McGrady 23 guard minutes, 20.7 points.

    All 48 center minutes, 49 of 96 forward minutes & 56 of 96 guard minutes have been used.

    You now have 161 points (140.3 + 20.7 = 161)

    Player 6 is G, Raymond Felton. Felton’s 36 mpg & 36.1 FPPG can only count for you at the guard position. You still have 40 minutes remaining to fill & since Felton plays 36 minutes we can use all his points & you will still have 4 more guard minutes to use.

    Duncan 28 center minutes, 36.2 points
    Horford 20 center minutes, 15 forward minutes 37.9 points.
    Milsap 34 forward minutes, 35 points.
    Kidd 33 guard minutes, 31.2 points.
    McGrady 23 guard minutes, 20.7 points.
    Felton 36 guard minutes, 36.1 points.

    All 48 center minutes, 49 of 96 forward minutes & 92 of 96 guard minutes have been used.

    You now have 197.1 points (161 + 36.1 = 197.1)

    Player 7 is F only Reggie Evans. Evans averaged 26 MPG & 25.2 FPPG. You can use all the minutes & points that Evan’s can give you. His 26 forward minutes can be added to the minutes that Horford & Milsap scored for you already. This brings your forward minutes to a total of 75 of the 96 available.

    Duncan 28 center minutes, 36.2 points
    Horford 20 center minutes, 15 forward minutes 37.9 points.
    Milsap 34 forward minutes, 35 points.
    Kidd 33 guard minutes, 31.2 points.
    McGrady 23 guard minutes, 20.7 points.
    Felton 36 guard minutes, 36.1 points.
    Evans 26 forward minutes, 25.2 points

    All 48 center minutes, 75 of 96 forward minutes & 92 of 96 guard minutes have been used.

    You now have 222.3 points (197.1 + 25.2 = 222.3)

    Player 8 is GF Hedo Turkoglu. Turkoglu averaged 31 mpg & 25 FPPG. Since Turkoglu is listed as a GF, any minutes played & points scored will count as a guard first. If he has played extra minutes & extra points, they will be used to help you at forward.

    So lets look at guard first, since that’s how Turk is listed. The computer will take Turk’s 25 points & divide them by the 31 minutes he played. That would be roughly .806 points per minute.

    You have just 4 minutes remaining so the computer will take Turk’s .806 points per minute and complete your 96 guards minutes with 3.2 points from Turk. (.806 x 4 = 3.2)

    This will complete all 96 of your guard minutes.

    Turkoglu played an additional 27 minutes that can be used to help you at forward since he is listed as a GF.

    You’ll notice above that you only have 21 forward minutes left to fill so the computer once again takes Turkoglu’s average points per minute of .806 & multiplies them with the 21 minutes you still have available.

    .806 x 21 = 16.9

    Duncan 28 center minutes, 36.2 points
    Horford 20 center minutes, 15 forward minutes 37.9 points.
    Milsap 34 forward minutes, 35 points.
    Kidd 33 guard minutes, 31.2 points.
    McGrady 23 guard minutes, 20.7 points.
    Felton 36 guard minutes, 36.1 points.
    Evans 26 forward minutes, 25.2 points
    Turkoglu 4 guard minutes, 21 forward minutes, 20.1 points.

    All 48 center, 96 forward & 96 guard minutes have now been used.

    You now have 242.4 points (222.3 + 20.1 = 242.4)

    The remaining 6 minutes & 4.8 points that Turkoglu scored for you will not be counted.

    Players 9, 10, 11 & 12 minutes & points were not counted in this example but can help your lineup on any given night if one of your top players sets out with an injury or has his minutes limited due to foul trouble.

    I hope this helps in explaining the scoring & the importance of how your roster is set.

    I hope you have questions. I’m here to help.

    James

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    is there anywhere on that site that lists the players fppg last year?

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    nevermind, there's lots of great analysis under the "toys" tab

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    So does everyone have their contingency lists done? It looks like Magic Rat is the first pick...

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    Why isn't Hedo calcuated as Horford in your example?

    Why does the computer calculates Horford's full numbers but for Hedo it goes with averages per minute?

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    Given roster order, Horford's minutes would be counted before Hedo's. In Jose's example, Tim Duncan would fill 28 of 48 center minutes. So, if Horford plays 35 minutes in the actual game, the first 20 are counted at center (meaning the center position has been filled) and the other 15 minutes count as a forward. This continues down the roster with CF Paul Milsap, G Jason Kidd, GF Tracy McGrady, G Raymond Felton and F Reggie Evans. By the time we get to Hedo, the team only needs to fill 25 available fantasy minutes (4 at guard, 21 at forward) with his 31 actual game minutes - so they use Hedo's per minute numbers to accurately reflect his fantasy team contributions.

    Does that help? Perhaps I don't understand your question.

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    AVTC: You nailed it.

    Rough, long day. Thanks for the explanation.

    The system starts your scoring with the player at the top of your lineup, working its way down your lineup until it totals 240 minutes.

    5 guys on the court for every minute of a 48 minute game (5 x 48 = 240 minutes).

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    K, got it. Thanks

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