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Note to Pacers: David West isn’t worth it(from a New Orleans Hornets fan)

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  • Note to Pacers: David West isn’t worth it(from a New Orleans Hornets fan)

    I found this article in one of the New Orleans Hornets fan blogs similar to Indycornrows:

    http://blognbasketball.com/2011/09/p...west-bad-idea/

    Note to Pacers: David West isn’t worth it

    When NBA free agency eventually begins, the Indiana Pacers will have power forward David West high on their wishlist. This isn’t surprising, as they basically platooned guys into that 4-spot all of last season. But I don’t know if West is the right guy here. I’m assuming they’ll overpay for him too…as a new collective bargaining agreement won’t change this, most popular of NBA traditions. Unless it comes at a steep steep discount, they’re better off without West. Why? Because the last time ’D’ went in the paint, Kobe Bryant was still wearing number 8.

    Back in 2003, David West wasn’t really heralded coming out of Xavier. He chased that with a very average rookie year in the NBA. But over the next few summers you could really tell that he worked on his game. West found his niche in the league….using his wide frame at 6’8″ to get boards and finish inside. He also developed his mid-range jumpshot…..too much so. Since his All-Star appearance in 2008 (not counting ’09 when he got the hometown vote in New Orleans), he’s pretty much been a ‘pick-n-pop’ big guy that shuns away from physicality. The most contact he’s had in recent years was when he stuck his finger in Dirk Nowitzki‘s face in a playoff series. And this is a guy who reportedly boxes during the offseason?? come on dogg…..there’s nothing more frustrating to the human race than a bigman who doesn’t play like one. It’s enough to make Bill Walton start stuttering again.

    Whether it’s the nagging injuries or the big payday, David West hasn’t been the same player for years now. In fact, if it wasn’t for playing next to Chris Paul he might be fighting Kurt Thomas for minutes somewhere (btw- I’d give the nod to Kurt). And it bugs me because West could be a beast in this league, a perennial All-Star. Now he just gives former power forward Charles Barkley more reason to stare at himself in the mirror every morning and gloat. They just don’t make ‘em like they used to I guess.

    No Pacer fans, I don’t think this guy is what you need in your lives. It might look nice ‘on paper’ but that is usually how bad free agent deals begin. I hope Larry Bird lifts his head away from the statsheet long enough to see that this isn’t the best way to spend owner Herb Simon‘s money…..not unless D-West got a heart transplant this summer that we don’t know of. They’re better off with the holdover, young Tyler Hansbrough. He too has a jumper, but plays way tougher and hasn’t been changed by $ or fame.

    Oh, and did I mention West is coming off serious knee surgery? Yeah, let’s pass on this one Hoosiers…….
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    Re: Note to Pacers: David West isn’t worth it(from a New Orleans Hornets fan)

    For what I've seen of West, I totally agree with this, however he does play very well. I'd be more concerned of his knee and age then his game if I was Larry. I wonder what this person thinks of Landry?
    Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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      Re: Note to Pacers: David West isn’t worth it(from a New Orleans Hornets fan)

      I'm in agreement. I like Tyler more. He gives us about the same thing, but has more heart and energy as well as being younger and cheaper. Tyler already has a solid jumper, and it is just going to get better as he gets more comfortable.

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        Re: Note to Pacers: David West isn’t worth it(from a New Orleans Hornets fan)

        If they get him, I'll support it, but we'll still be in desperate need of more physicality and aggressiveness for the inside dirty work. Plus West can't play C. Although, that's not say a PF pickup absolutely has to, but it would be nice.
        I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

        -Emiliano Zapata

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          Re: Note to Pacers: David West isn’t worth it(from a New Orleans Hornets fan)

          Thank You!

          Finally a voice of reason. Just say no to David West.

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            Re: Note to Pacers: David West isn’t worth it(from a New Orleans Hornets fan)

            David West is devastating in the pick'n'pop. Quite probably the best player in the league at it. He was never as superior doing other stuff as he is with the pick'n'pop - so why should he do it less? Last season he scored 1.03 points per possession in pick'n'pops and 0.94 in post-ups. And I don't see a big difference anyway, West shot-selection has consistently been 2/3 jump-shots since he went to New Orleans and he was never some sort of bruiser. Actually, even as a screener West is more of a finesse player, he's not a physical screener at all, he just has excellent timing rolling of it.

            I agree his defensive effort has been uneven and inconsistent though.

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            • #7
              Re: Note to Pacers: David West isn’t worth it(from a New Orleans Hornets fan)

              Could we please stop compairing Tyler to David West

              West is a two time all star, vet with playoff experience and confident enough in his market worth to opt out of a contract already paying him 8M or so per year

              Tyler is a young energetic PF that has some nice skills but D West in my opinion, is in a whole different league
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                Re: Note to Pacers: David West isn’t worth it(from a New Orleans Hornets fan)

                Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                Could we please stop compairing Tyler to David West

                West was a two time all star, vet with playoff experience and confident enough in his market worth to opt out of a contract already paying him 8M or so per year

                Tyler is a young energetic PF that has some nice skills but D West in my opinion, is in a whole different league
                He was a two time All Star, he was a good player, we don't know what he is now after the surgery, remember Ebrand when Philly tought the same thing? "Elton Brand is a great player" they didn't know how much worse the surgery was going to make him.

                I also remember having this same argument with people about Dunleavy post surgery "Mike Dunleavy is a good player and could score 18ppg again" how that worked out?
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                  Re: Note to Pacers: David West isn’t worth it(from a New Orleans Hornets fan)

                  NOH fans have a different definition of soft because they didn't have three seasons of Troy Murphy at PF.

                  I haven't noticed West being soft but this kind of post from a NOH fan concerns me.

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                    Re: Note to Pacers: David West isn’t worth it(from a New Orleans Hornets fan)

                    Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                    NOH fans have a different definition of soft because they didn't have three seasons of Troy Murphy at PF.

                    I haven't noticed West being soft but this kind of post from a NOH fan concerns me.
                    Maybe it's just sour grapes because the guy really wants him to re-sign, but doesn't think he will. Notice I said maybe.
                    Passion. Pride. Patience. Pacers

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                      Re: Note to Pacers: David West isn’t worth it(from a New Orleans Hornets fan)

                      Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                      NOH fans have a different definition of soft because they didn't have three seasons of Troy Murphy at PF.

                      I haven't noticed West being soft but this kind of post from a NOH fan concerns me.
                      To tell you the true I just wanted to know what the NO fans thought about him and the first thing that came up on that blog was this post where the guy is pretty much talking to us.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Note to Pacers: David West isn’t worth it(from a New Orleans Hornets fan)

                        I think West new contract will be around 8 - 9 mil per because his age and knee. I just don't see any team paying more then this. His last contract was for him being in his prime at his highest level. The new one is for him exiting his prime. Maybe do a creative contract that's dependent on his knee / performance?

                        Craps anyone?
                        Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                          Re: Note to Pacers: David West isn’t worth it(from a New Orleans Hornets fan)

                          Originally posted by cordobes View Post
                          David West is devastating in the pick'n'pop. Quite probably the best player in the league at it.
                          This is why I think West is such a good fit, Hibbert will have free range to operate in the paint playing with West, and he will be surrounded by the kind of talent (Granger and West in the front court) to make teams absolutely pay for trying to double him.
                          "As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."

                          - ilive4sports

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                            Re: Note to Pacers: David West isn’t worth it(from a New Orleans Hornets fan)

                            All I can say is that for any of you fans that soured on Jermaine O'Neal after his knee injuries, David West is not the PF for you.

                            West also isn't as good a defender or rebounder as JO was. He is a better shooter and finisher in the post but at age 31 and coming off a terrible knee surgery, I'd be very leery about the Pacers signing him. Nene would be a much better option because he offers more size and defense.

                            With all that said, I wouldn't be upset if the Pacers did sign David West. I just don't see it happening. I also think West will wind up playing in New Jersey with DWill and Brook Lopez.

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                              Re: Note to Pacers: David West isn’t worth it(from a New Orleans Hornets fan)

                              Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force View Post
                              This is why I think West is such a good fit, Hibbert will have free range to operate in the paint playing with West, and he will be surrounded by the kind of talent (Granger and West in the front court) to make teams absolutely pay for trying to double him.
                              I am sorry but I think I hear this before, I think is call "stretching the floor" .....
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