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    I don't mind Carl at all, I think he and Hans are both starter quality and each of them splitting time can be really good. 48 minutes of high quality intensity. I wouldn't mind seeing the same approach for the backup center. I personally like Spencer Hawes. He's still developing. He started for Philly and is a borderline starter. But him playing behind Hibbert for 20 minutes would be another solid rotation. Now, with Hill here we have a very good backcourt rotation. Also, players like this with good contracts can be excellent pieces on future trades.

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    I like Tyler, and I think our big money is better spent on a top tier SG. Of course, that will come either through patience or trade, if it happens at all. So this opinion doesn't bother me at all.
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    You know what the guys saying Jesus Christ what are you 15? That said I don't agree with the guy but still don't be silly
    I wish......

    His whole quote is meaningless to me. We will make a pass at Marc Gasol, Nene, Tyson Chandler.... Pretty much any pf FA but don't be suprised if we settle because Tyler is pretty good too.

    Edit: By the way I figure people who say Jesus Christ to emphasize a point aren't acting there age either.. Its like saying the word really to emphasize a point IMO. Really Dad, Really Mom.
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    The only reason I wouldn't mind Landry is because it wouldn't be a mistake per se. You could trade him down the road or trade tyler but your still dealing with a backup pf in Landry IMO. Tyler is the only one that has potential to be a starter.

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    I'd rather look for a Frontcourt that complements each other....rather than duplicate each other.
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    The only reason I wouldn't mind Landry is because it wouldn't be a mistake per se. You could trade him down the road or trade tyler but your still dealing with a backup pf in Landry IMO. Tyler is the only one that has potential to be a starter.
    I know that many may disagree....but I think that Hansbrough and Landry have a ceiling of "Decent Starter on a Mediocre team playing 30 mpg" or "very solid Backup PF on a Playoff team playing 25 mpg". I'd rather have Hansbrough come in and wreck havoc against the 2nd unit then play against higher quality PFs.
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    Patience, guys...

    Patience to let guys tell the team how they'll develop...

    Patience also to participate in trades and transactions that add value to a team, and not subtract from it.

    Trust in Bird and Morway.

    Trust that we will see trades like the one that netted us Collison from Turnstile D.

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    Troy Murphy got close to 34mpg I think? he is also a free agent, I was looking at his number when he was with us and those numbers are similar to those of Tyson Chandler, should we expend the money in Troy Murphy as our center instead? he can be like Tyson Chandler right?

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    edit: 34mpg in 09 and 32min in 10mpg http://www.basketball-reference.com/...murphtr01.html
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    Only thing I have to add its ok to disagree with the post

    but in all fairness Steve Kyler is the founder of Hoopsworld.com, which I think is a respected site in the NBA community. I also wouldnt like it if he dismissed PD as a bunch of nobodies or something similar
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    First, there is going to be alot of stuff flying around until the 9th. Second, that was just the guys opinion on a question he was asked. It's not like he was writing a whole article on the Pacers and Tyler. Third, if we can't make a trade for a PF Landry might be a better option than overpaying for West or giving Nene a max deal.

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    The reality is that Hans was probbaly our best player in Chicago series. Its likely that he will continue to grow as a player this year and I'm sure TPTB are penciling him in for 30 MPG.

    But Hibbs was awful against Chicago and isnt consistent or competitive enough to completely rely on in crunch time. Seems like Foster was on the floor most of the time in that series.

    If we can sign Nene or Marc Gasol or even David West for 10mm per for 4 yrs than I'm all for it. We were paying Foster 2/3 of that for years. If you are talking about a 4 yr 70mm deal than have a nice day and get me Carl Landry's agent on line 2.

    Gasol and nene fit nicely NEXT to Hans not instead of and while West duplicates a lot of Hans' skills.....I think they can be effective together on both ends as well. Landry is simply another solid player that fits in on almost every roster in the league. Millsap may be a better player but there are limits as to what we give up in that deal.

    I'm still betting on Landry being the FA coup also but like Wells , I believe a deal will be made that lands us more of a "marquee type player'.......preferably a SG that can actually shoot and score the basketball........what a concept......

    Love for it to involve Afflalo somehow.

    We've only had the worst backcourt in the league for about a decade now, so maybe its about time to add talent there........George Hill is a nice piece but hopefully a second one is on the way.

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    The reality is that Hans was probbaly our best player in Chicago series. Its likely that he will continue to grow as a player this year and I'm sure TPTB are penciling him in for 30 MPG.
    Really now...he had like one good game and barely showed up after that.
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    Ha this thread was blown out of proportion. Chat basically said the Pacers aren't looking for a 40 starter. Doesn't mean no starter at all. Just means they still want Hansbrough to get some solid minutes. Totally understandable

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    I would really like to look into getting Millsap a little more. I think his timeline is good because for two years we have both players. Then we can make a decision. I think Millsap fits Hibbert pretty well. He is an active rebounder, which is something we ought to covet. The Jazz are heavy in the front court and we are heavy in the back court, so there is a basketball fit too. I am just concerned about lacking size. I would even take Mehmet Okur off their hands for a year. It will help us hit the 85% mark and still give us cap space for next year.
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    I would really like to look into getting Millsap a little more. I think his timeline is good because for two years we have both players. Then we can make a decision. I think Millsap fits Hibbert pretty well. He is an active rebounder, which is something we ought to covet. The Jazz are heavy in the front court and we are heavy in the back court, so there is a basketball fit too. I am just concerned about lacking size. I would even take Mehmet Okur off their hands for a year. It will help us hit the 85% mark and still give us cap space for next year.
    I could get on board with Millsap. I think he'd fit in really well here.
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    I could get on board with Millsap. I think he'd fit in really well here.
    Plus, we would control our expenses by knowing exactly what he will cost us.
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    I like Tyler, and I think our big money is better spent on a top tier SG. Of course, that will come either through patience or trade, if it happens at all. So this opinion doesn't bother me at all.
    IMO, i rather spend our money on a top-tier PG. I think Paul George can be our future SG.

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    Really now...he had like one good game and barely showed up after that.
    He had two outstanding games especially late in 4th quarters when no one else was willing or capable of stepping up..........Hans did and should have won game 1 by himself almost if not for the Rose FT festival in Chicago. Played well in one other and was not great in other two.

    Hibbert by comparison stunk in all five as did most everyone else and rarely was on the floor during crunch time of any of the games.

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    He had two outstanding games especially late in 4th quarters when no one else was willing or capable of stepping up..........Hans did and should have won game 1 by himself almost if not for the Rose FT festival in Chicago. Played well in one other and was not great in other two.

    Hibbert by comparison stunk in all five as did most everyone else and rarely was on the floor during crunch time of any of the games.
    Just to clarify, you didn't actually watch the series right?
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    If Landry is really what they are looking for this team is better off re-signing McRoberts.

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    Ha this thread was blown out of proportion. Chat basically said the Pacers aren't looking for a 40 starter. Doesn't mean no starter at all. Just means they still want Hansbrough to get some solid minutes. Totally understandable
    I'm taking the line of reasoning further. If Hansbrough plays a minimum of 24 mpg...and he is best suited to play the PF spot....that would mean that any PF that we get can only play 24 mpg at the PF Spot. Unless we get a PF/C, how are you going to get Hansbrough the 24 mpg that everyone thinks he's going to need.

    I can see Landry making some sense purely from a mpg where you can justify playing him 24 mpg at the price that you will likely pay him at....but if you go the route of getting PF like West....its harder to justify the minutes.

    This is one of the reasons why I advocate going after a PF/C....whether it be Nene, Chandler or Humphries...before even considering West, Milsap or Landry.
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    I'm taking the line of reasoning further. If Hansbrough plays a minimum of 24 mpg...and he is best suited to play the PF spot....that would mean that any PF that we get can only play 24 mpg at the PF Spot. Unless we get a PF/C, how are you going to get Hansbrough the 24 mpg that everyone thinks he's going to need.

    I can see Landry making some sense purely from a mpg where you can justify playing him 24 mpg at the price that you will likely pay him at....but if you go the route of getting PF like West....its harder to justify the minutes.

    This is one of the reasons why I advocate going after a PF/C....whether it be Nene, Chandler or Humphries...before even considering West, Milsap or Landry.
    Or you can get a Milsap who has purportedly been working over the summer to play some minutes at 3...so you can flex 4/3 with him. Of course, still would like some more C depth even in that case.
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    IMO, if the Pacers are not looking to sign a high minute power forward, the only thing that makes sense is to bring back McRoberts and go to a novel three big rotation of Roy / Hans / Josh in various combos, including the duel 4 small option of Josh / Hans, with each of the three guys getting around 28 minutes and Jeff picking up the rest, allowing all to be more aggressive on both ends of the floor.

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    Need more rebounding. Roy/Hans/Josh won't get it done. Also, outside Roy's shotblocking, not too hot on interior D. Add foster and one acquisition that boosts inside depth and offer some rebounding and positional D. Addition does not have to start per se.
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    Need more rebounding. Roy/Hans/Josh won't get it done. Also, outside Roy's shotblocking, not too hot on interior D. Add foster and one acquisition that boosts inside depth and offer some rebounding and positional D. Addition does not have to start per se.
    This is why Nene makes so much sense to me. You pay a bit more but you get alot of needs addressed. Interior D, Back up Center, Minutes for Hansbrough, Rebounding, Physicality. So if you give Nene 12-14 Million and extend Hibbert to a reasonable deal, then you have your Big man needs for the next 4-5 years. I would even try to resign McRoberst to a small deal to spell Hansbrough here and there and let Jmac and Nene Dunk over everyone.

    I'd offer him a front loaded deal Starting at 14 and going down from there and that way when Danny Granger expires in 2 years, well have even more Salary cap space to use.
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