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    1. Can Roy Hibbert play this season without having episodes of depression or self doubt? He has had Satan exercised from his life and we all know that Frank is one step below Tony Robins as a motivational speaker. So in other words we will find out how much of what has transpired in the past has been because Roy was mentally beaten down or Roy was mentally weak.

    2. How good is Paul George? There is a lot riding on our tall athletic shooting guard and expectations run from just being a good contributor to being an all-star (maybe not this season but I know some of us think it will come). This question has a lot of sub questions built into it as well. Will he become part of the offense on a nightly basis, will he be able keep up the defensive intensity that he showed in the playoffs, has he developed a mid range game?

    3. What do we need at the four spot? Not so much of who but what. Do we want an athletic four who is like a pogo stick with some offensive game? Do we want a brute that will just clog the lane on defense and maybe help out when they can on offense? Do we want a power forward that spreads the floor? Are you more interested in the player being a better defender or offensive player? Can Tyler ft the bill for any of these and if not who for you is the answer?

    4. Darren Collison or George Hill? Honestly didnít think weíd have to make this decision this early on but Mike Wells seems to think that Hill will eventually be the starter. Who do you want? What skills do either bring to the position, what skills do either lack?

    5. Frank Vogel, saint or angel? Ok, just kidding (well sort of) but letís be honest there are questions to answer here as well. Can he handle the minute distribution from what appears to be somewhat of a glut in the backcourt? George, Hill, Collison, Jones, Price & letís not forget Larry Birds favorite player Lance. Will he be able to hold these guys together as the year goes on? Last year Iím certain they were all just thrilled to be unshackled from the evil clutches of Satan and almost anyone could have had a positive impact. But now the newness is off and the stench of the previous failure is starting to waft away can he hold them together once they hit their first losing streak.

    There are a lot more questions going into the season but these are the five I want to start with. Let me hear your answers.


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    1. Great question regarding Roy. I've got a thread going on the subject and tend to be suspicious of his mental game. But you make a great point that this is his first full year under a positive coach. Would love to see Roy step up to the next level during crunch time.

    2. I think people underestimate how big a step it is from talented and good contributor to leading scorer, shoulder-the-load, I'm the alpha dog, all-star. Granger pulled it off. But it's so much easier to perform when the expectations are low. When you are required to put up numbers day in and day out, that takes real focus and perseverance and, well, cohunas. Like Hibbert, Paul George's key issues are between his ears. But there is much more early evidence that PG could pull it off.

    3. I will go with the "X-man" that I think TBird has been pimping for quite some time. And I see this player as more defensive than offensive. That way, if either Hibbs or Hans are getting by on the defensive end, we are good. If not, the Xman can come in for the one getting burnt the worst. If we don't find the perfect guy, I would not be upset to resign McRoberts. He's not a defensive superstar, but there's something about him I really, really like. He adds some sizzle and he's smart.

    4. I think Collison will be gone in a couple of weeks. It took me just a couple of weeks to dislike his shoot first, terrible defense performances. I think he's a liability and George Hill would be much preferred, although picking up another stellar point guard would also be nice.

    5. Didn't Vogel have a mini-losing streak already? He handled it pretty well. I am pretty excited to see how he performs this year. Bringing in top talent around him speaks to his being secure as his own person. Go Pacers.
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    Great to see you posting basketball questions again Peck, and great questions to start with. I'll take a stab at 3 and 4.

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    3. What do we need at the four spot? Not so much of who but what. Do we want an athletic four who is like a pogo stick with some offensive game? Do we want a brute that will just clog the lane on defense and maybe help out when they can on offense? Do we want a power forward that spreads the floor? Are you more interested in the player being a better defender or offensive player? Can Tyler ft the bill for any of these and if not who for you is the answer?
    No doubt the question du jour. What do we really need in a PF?

    Looking at the team as a whole, it's pretty obvious that we lacked scoring last season. We had Danny of course, but no one really stood out as a second option, with Hibbert and Collison both being so inconsistent. And Danny is arguably better suited as a second option himself. So that's the attraction of a David West, who should provide at least Danny-level offense.

    On the other hand, looking at our current bigs (Hibbert and Hans), it's obvious that their best skills are in scoring, it's just that they aren't very good at it (yet). Overall, our frontcourt is lacking in strength, athleticism, and mobility, which translates to poor rebounding and interior defense. So there's a need for some athletic big guys as well.

    Of the two needs, IMO the second is more important for big guys. My thinking is that you could find scoring from different positions, but defense and rebounding should be the primary duty of bigs. Of course, ideally we want to find a PF who has all these things in the same package, but a guy like that is a superstar and I'm not sure there's anyone beyond prime TD and prime KG who fits that description anyway.

    Yet a third way is to ditch one or both of our current guys and build a new frontcourt. It might come to that at some point but I'd rather we stick with Hibbert and Hans a bit longer to see what we have in them.

    So I guess I'd like the Pacers to get a PF who's primarily a defender, who's quick and athletic enough to play with Hibbert, and strong enough to play with Hans. Anything else he can do (interior scoring, perimeter scoring, shotblocking, etc) is a bonus.

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    4. Darren Collison or George Hill? Honestly didn’t think we’d have to make this decision this early on but Mike Wells seems to think that Hill will eventually be the starter. Who do you want? What skills do either bring to the position, what skills do either lack?
    How about neither?

    I think George Hill was brought in to help our scoring and defense. He's not really a point guard, and unless we get a very good playmaking SG (Paul G or Lance develops?), I wouldn't want Hill to play PG full time. For what's it worth, I do think highly of Hill and think that he'll see a big jump in his scoring stats.

    Collison is... average, I would say. Not an indictment of him btw, seeing that we had far worse point guards in recent years. But I certainly think that PG is a position we need to upgrade eventually.
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    Nothing wrong with the Pacer's that Dale Davis couldn't fix.


    Seriously, it's been so long since I even WANTED to talk bball that I'm gonna have to think about these for a bit. I will say, the evidence leads me to believe that DC is not seen as an answer by TPTB.
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    1. Can Roy Hibbert play this season without having episodes of depression or self doubt? He has had Satan exercised from his life and we all know that Frank is one step below Tony Robins as a motivational speaker. So in other words we will find out how much of what has transpired in the past has been because Roy was mentally beaten down or Roy was mentally weak.
    I have been listening to the summer Mark Monteith one-on-one show podcasts (I was too depressed to listen to them during the lockout) and found it very interesting to hear Roy's comments about how Coach Thompson (pŤre) used to spend huge amounts of time tearing him down while Coach Thompson (fils) would give him the ups and props. All other issues notwithstanding, that sounds VERY similar to the probable actions of The Coach Who Shall Not Be Named and Coach Vogel. I suspect the DIFFERENCE is that TCWSNBN didn't have a body of championships to lend his criticism credibility AND that too much was done in public.

    This tells me that Roy DOES respond to the RIGHT balance of negativity and positivity. I would even venture to say that, based on how he described getting motivated for a lot of the things he has done, there will HAVE to be someone giving him crap for what he does wrong in order for him to be focused on it. It just has to be done the right way. If we see Roy get a little lazy about correcting problems or working hard in practice this year, it would be a sign of not enough pushing from outside.

    That being said, Roy is putting on muscle for an additional 25-30 lbs, which I think will help him maintain his positions better and won't be too much a strain on his body. It will be very good to see how he moves and if he can get more aggressive.

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    2. How good is Paul George? There is a lot riding on our tall athletic shooting guard and expectations run from just being a good contributor to being an all-star (maybe not this season but I know some of us think it will come). This question has a lot of sub questions built into it as well. Will he become part of the offense on a nightly basis, will he be able keep up the defensive intensity that he showed in the playoffs, has he developed a mid range game?
    Second year is a big year. Expecting that at least two of our wings will be gone, there will be more playing time for him to prove himself. I expect him to play behind George Hill (not necessarily start over him, though that seems to be the board expectation) unless Hill plays more PG than SG.

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    3. What do we need at the four spot? Not so much of who but what. Do we want an athletic four who is like a pogo stick with some offensive game? Do we want a brute that will just clog the lane on defense and maybe help out when they can on offense? Do we want a power forward that spreads the floor? Are you more interested in the player being a better defender or offensive player? Can Tyler ft the bill for any of these and if not who for you is the answer?
    I think we need an offensive rebounder with credible scoring who can help keep a front court double-team from pouncing on Roy. Spacing the floor will be very important in terms of forcing a man to be left open if a double team or attempted passing lane cutoff is going to happen.

    Since I don't watch much non-Pacers, I have no idea what FA would give us that. I think an aggressive Tyler gives it to us, but at the risk of being forced out of position as easily as Roy is.

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    4. Darren Collison or George Hill? Honestly didnít think weíd have to make this decision this early on but Mike Wells seems to think that Hill will eventually be the starter. Who do you want? What skills do either bring to the position, what skills do either lack?
    I don't know Hill's game that well because I don't watch much non-Pacers, but from what I've heard credibly on PD I think it may make sense to hold Hill to be used as combo guard. I'm not completely comfortable with DC long term at the 1, but I can certainly see DC starting at 1 and GH at 2, with GH sliding over to 1 when DC goes to the bench and PG comes in at 2. There's minutes at 1 needed from someone in order to give GH a rest - ideally you might bring DC back in and sit GH.

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    5. Frank Vogel, saint or angel? Ok, just kidding (well sort of) but letís be honest there are questions to answer here as well. Can he handle the minute distribution from what appears to be somewhat of a glut in the backcourt? George, Hill, Collison, Jones, Price & letís not forget Larry Birds favorite player Lance. Will he be able to hold these guys together as the year goes on? Last year Iím certain they were all just thrilled to be unshackled from the evil clutches of Satan and almost anyone could have had a positive impact. But now the newness is off and the stench of the previous failure is starting to waft away can he hold them together once they hit their first losing streak.
    At this point I'd go with "saint". Angels aren't made of the same stuff as humans, and when they leave we forget they were here (Dudley said so in The Bishop's Wife, so it MUST be true).

    My big questions is going to be what happens if/when he tries to move some of the players in a way they are capable but just don't want to go. Will he be able to handle adverse reactions to his coaching decisions and get some of the strong-willed know-it-all players we may be getting from Free Agency to do his bidding?
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    Nothing wrong with the Pacer's that Dale Davis couldn't fix.

    Liked your post simply because you said Dale Davis.

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    5 more I have:

    -Is P.George future as a SG or a SF?
    If he is more suited for the 3, what/when is our next move? Granger would be a nice piece in any trade, but you only move him to improve at another position (esp SG, PG). I do not want toi move Danny, but I do not want to limit Paul's growth by playing him out of position.

    -Will Lance find a position in our rotation?
    Will he be able to transfer the practice court to game day? Is he a "wildcard" or a "wildchild"? Lance could be a 2nd unit killer, or a lockerroom cancer - we need to know & react ASAP. He could be huge for this team by improving his court play &/or his trade value by showing he is "Now Ready".

    -How long a leash does Frank have w/ B.Shaw on the bench?
    I really like Frank & think a guy like B.Shaw could be a HUGE influence to his development, but if we struggle, how long does Larry stay with him. Don't want to be a wet blanket, but we all know this has potentiel.

    -Is this Larry's "swan song", & if so, who steps into his spot?
    We have brought some new faces to our coaching & executive staffs of late, and with the inpending departure of Larry, what is his (& Herb's) succession plan for the front office? Is it a given it's Morway? Im not so sure.

    -How will this City embrace this team?
    The Colts suck for the first time in over a decade, and there is an opening to capture the intrest of a city looking for a reason to fall back in love with their first love - Basketball. Potential name recognizable FA's, young exciting roster full of new faces and good citizens, but will it connect with the public? Will attendence noticably improve? How long, if at all, will it take to start filling seats & securing the furure of this team in this city.
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    To answer number 3 I think we need both and we should look to get both in the future. Tyler needs to be coached to defend better but I could see him playing better team defense in the near future.

    I don't think this team is designed to shut down interior scoring with one guy and I don't think it will be much of a problem in the East except for NY and where ever Howard ends up (hopefully in the West).

    To add to this the best defense will be played on the perimeter with Paul George and GHill. I think its fools gold to try to stop dribble pentration by having a Big scary pf in the paint. The NBA has changed and a guy like that will be quickly in foul trouble in the East given ROse, Wade, Melo, LeBron.

    I am not saying we shouldn't have a bruiser but that simply that we shouldn't pay big money for one or choose that over offense at the pf position.

    Lastly you have to take whats available. There aren't too many bruisers in FA's but there is some scoring pf's in the mix.

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    Great to see you posting basketball questions again Peck, and great questions to start with. I'll take a stab at 3 and 4.
    I liked your focus on PF and PG. And I believe that watching what is done regarding PF will determine exactly how TPTB will progress with this team in the future.

    Are we going to become a more defensive-minded team, or we going to become a team that seeks its wins by outscoring its opponents?

    I don't believe Hibbert will ever become much more than an average or slightly above average defensive presence in the paint. But I do think that he can eventually get his 9 rebounds a game and provide more than ample scoring. I believe that, like Smits, he will take up a lot of interior room, but that he will not necessarily be a defender that the opponent cannot beat.

    That would indicate that a good balanced front court will require a very good defender to pair with him. That's why some would like to slot Nene as a PF or perhaps pursue Josh Smith. But we do have Hansbrough, who I think will prove to be a good scorer with a mid-range game, who can also rebound and is an aggressive defender, even if not a very good one.

    So, if the Pacers do not acquire a better defender for the front court, and especially if they acquire a better scorer that is not an above average defender for the front court, I see them going a different direction in their back court.

    A weakness of the Pacers over the past several years has been that we cannot stop the opponent from penetrating the lane. Our PG has been a poor defender. This appears to continue with Collison. Unfortunately, if our front court does not change, it is imperative that we have a better defending back court. And that is why we will see Hill take over at PG or that we will acquire a new PG, especially if we don't improve the defensive abilities of the front court.

    Pairing George at SG with a better defender at PG and a better focused Granger at SF will provide a very good defensive perimeter.

    It's all about balance. And if the Pacers are going to become a better defending team, if they are not going to improve both front court and back court defensively, it is imperative that they at least improve one of the two.

    A team that relies on merely outscoring its opponents can do quite well in the regular season but is more likely than not to be a failure in the playoffs.

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    1. Can Roy Hibbert play this season without having episodes of depression or self doubt? He has had Satan exercised from his life and we all know that Frank is one step below Tony Robins as a motivational speaker. So in other words we will find out how much of what has transpired in the past has been because Roy was mentally beaten down or Roy was mentally weak.
    I think having a full season with Frank Vogel as coach will do wonders for Roy's confidence and mental stability. Also, being the undisputed starting center for the team should do the same thing. With the work that Roy's been putting in this extended offseason, I think he's going to come back positively this season and really prove his worth and value. I doubt we're eager to get him gone from the team; we just need a veteran center who can help inspire/motivate him to play at a higher level, and who can obviously help cover for him when he's not at the top of his game, so to speak.

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    2. How good is Paul George? There is a lot riding on our tall athletic shooting guard and expectations run from just being a good contributor to being an all-star (maybe not this season but I know some of us think it will come). This question has a lot of sub questions built into it as well. Will he become part of the offense on a nightly basis, will he be able keep up the defensive intensity that he showed in the playoffs, has he developed a mid range game?
    I don't think Paul's ready to be the scoring replacement for Granger, as has been speculated before (and during) the Playoffs. However, just like Hibbert, I think the work he's put in this summer will pay off positively. I think, when the time comes, he'll be what we need, but he's yet to prove to even be the second scorer aside Granger. As long as his defense isn't a Playoff-only occurrence, I think we've still got a very great player to continue to build around. He can only get better, so we should just give him the chances to do so.

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    3. What do we need at the four spot? Not so much of who but what. Do we want an athletic four who is like a pogo stick with some offensive game? Do we want a brute that will just clog the lane on defense and maybe help out when they can on offense? Do we want a power forward that spreads the floor? Are you more interested in the player being a better defender or offensive player? Can Tyler ft the bill for any of these and if not who for you is the answer?
    I think the choice for power forward should be pushed in the athletic, yet veteran direction. I wouldn't mind having Josh Smith in this position; he's an explosive, defensive, rebounding beast. Simply because he's aware his time is up in Atlanta, I think we should try to move him to Indy. His athleticism is off the charts, and he can assist in leading the team from the front court. Despite the crap I serve Hansbrough daily, I think he's got the potential to increase his production and be a player we'll value much more, much later. But we need someone now who can produce, and Josh Smith might be that smashmouth player we need, as long as his attitude or personality doesn't get in the way of anything.

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    4. Darren Collison or George Hill? Honestly didnít think weíd have to make this decision this early on but Mike Wells seems to think that Hill will eventually be the starter. Who do you want? What skills do either bring to the position, what skills do either lack?
    DC is a great player, and still has a lot of potential for a third-year player, but with George Hill's proven production, I expect to see him starting sooner rather than later. As far as "wanting" one player or another, I would like to see how Hill performs with our team before placing him in the starting lineup. Regardless, DC will continue to be a good player whether he's starting or coming off the bench (where he did most of his damage for NOH prior to CP3's injury). I'm also interested in seeing what (positive) damage Lance can do on the court; if his potential (and nickname) can live up to the legend, and if he ends up being a much more sufficient leader for the Goon Squad than any of our other guards.

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    5. Frank Vogel, saint or angel? Ok, just kidding (well sort of) but letís be honest there are questions to answer here as well. Can he handle the minute distribution from what appears to be somewhat of a glut in the backcourt? George, Hill, Collison, Jones, Price & letís not forget Larry Birds favorite player Lance. Will he be able to hold these guys together as the year goes on? Last year Iím certain they were all just thrilled to be unshackled from the evil clutches of Satan and almost anyone could have had a positive impact. But now the newness is off and the stench of the previous failure is starting to waft away can he hold them together once they hit their first losing streak.
    I would look to see George playing the backup 3 more often this season. I also think Jones, Price, and/or Rush are on their ways out; we can't be too sure of what Vogel will do to the lineup prior to having a completed/finalized roster. As long as everyone is willing to play team basketball, and put Indiana back on the basketball map (our state's birthright), I think Frank will be more than capable of keeping this team together and solid. I've been more excited for a "full" season with Frank Vogel coaching, but I think 66 games (and playoffs) will have to do this year around.


    I have a question of my own:

    What relatively logical/conceivable player would be worth trading Granger, given that this player could make the team around him better as a whole, and individuals as well? In contrast, what player could we (again, logically/conceivably) bring in otherwise, through trades or FA (to play alongside Granger), who could single-handedly improve the team? In other words, who would be the perfect single player to add to the team, who could bump us a couple spots in the East?

    To answer my own question, I thought Rondo would be good for that. I would also give Jamal Crawford some credit in that sense (taking over clutch shots, scoring responsibilities, great passing and court vision, etc.). But I can't figure out one single player who we could ACTUALLY add, who would be able to boost production so well. I don't even think EJ (the Prodigal Hoosier) would be able to provide the court vision Crawford or Rondo could, nor could Rondo provide scoring that EJ could. It's a very subjective question.
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    1. This is the crucial question which determines whether we match a teams offer this offseason. Unfortunately this is the season to get a future Center and not next season. Gasol, Jordan, and Nene will notbe on the market if we find out if Hibbert is mentally weak.

    2. What we don't want is for PG to have the sophomore year that Rush had. Consistency is more crucial than overall production. If PG has a great defensive year with improvements in his attacking the basket and getting to the foul line. His midrange won't come this year like you want. That will be next year.

    3. Unless we sign a vet for 1 to 2 years I do not want to get a West like player. I would rather just get Hayes or bring back McBob and stand pat. If Roy takes it to the next step and Tyler is more consistent from 15 feet, then the need is not as great. Danny and PG are great rebounders, so the need for two front court rebounders is not as high. The negative is lack of an open court offense. Meaning DC is out running with no one else trailing.

    4. This is the season for DC. If he improves then he is not traded. But the minute you have a similar product than last year, you ship him out. Hill will give us a leadership in the backcourt that DC does not and will never have. AJ should be cut and Lance should be able to sink or swim at the Point. We have to know what we got early in the season. Finding a 3rd PG is not that hard in this PG saturated league. I can see us getting a Watson vet to fill out the 85% if we do not get a big splash.

    5. The question with Vogel is can he bring this team together as a unit through an entire season. Can he get us to play consistent ball? Will his boisterous style begin to be a clanging symbol during a bad streak? I think this year he will get a pass if we are 8th seed again with new players. But I fear the leash is shorter than it was with JOB. Which ticks many of you off.

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    -Is P.George future as a SG or a SF?
    If he is more suited for the 3, what/when is our next move? Granger would be a nice piece in any trade, but you only move him to improve at another position (esp SG, PG). I do not want toi move Danny, but I do not want to limit Paul's growth by playing him out of position.
    As I said in my last post, I think Paul is fit to be a small forward, as his size, athleticism, and play style is that of a small forward. As far as Granger goes, he's still our star, best player, and leading scorer. I know I'm contradicting previous statements I've made about George, but until he's at that level, or we have a viable replacement for him, we really can't afford to lose Granger. At this point, George is good starting at the 2, and first off the bench for Granger at the 3. Until he starts showing some Blake Griffin-, Tyreke Evans-, or James Harden-esque sophomore production, he should wait until his card is drawn to lead this team in Granger's place.

    However, if we had to, I would trade Granger for EJ or an equal SG, putting Paul as the default starting SF.

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    -Will Lance find a position in our rotation?
    Will he be able to transfer the practice court to game day? Is he a "wildcard" or a "wildchild"? Lance could be a 2nd unit killer, or a lockerroom cancer - we need to know & react ASAP. He could be huge for this team by improving his court play &/or his trade value by showing he is "Now Ready".
    With the amount of work Bird has put in to make Lance a properly-functioning team member, I would imagine he makes his way onto the court more than just a couple minutes per game this year. Pending roster movement and proof of performance, I think humility will lead Lance to being what we need him to be. I would just rather find out as soon as possible instead of waiting to see him wreak havoc. However, I'll put my faith in Bird, and that he can make Lance take a step back and look at the team as a bigger picture, instead of just a vessel for which Lance can show out, perform, and entertain.

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    -How long a leash does Frank have w/ B.Shaw on the bench?
    I really like Frank & think a guy like B.Shaw could be a HUGE influence to his development, but if we struggle, how long does Larry stay with him. Don't want to be a wet blanket, but we all know this has potentiel.
    I think Frank Vogel is the key puzzle piece in keeping this team together. He's the young, underdog, formerly-interim head coach who helped lead his ragtag team of fellow underdog misfits to their first Playoff birth in years, and all through positive enforcement. I'm not up to par with Shaw's coaching style, but I think he will provide whatever Frank needs to discipline, and show authority. I can't explain how often I love seeing cutaways to Frank sitting on the bench every time I play 2K12 as the Pacers; he's a dormant beast behind a friendly smile, and that's exactly what we need.

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    -Is this Larry's "swan song", & if so, who steps into his spot?
    We have brought some new faces to our coaching & executive staffs of late, and with the inpending departure of Larry, what is his (& Herb's) succession plan for the front office? Is it a given it's Morway? Im not so sure.
    I say Bird's on his way out, to be replaced by Morway, and Pritchard to step up to Morway's spot. Not that this scenario is what I desire, but this is what I expect; since it's all just stalling until I strike it rich and buy the Pacers from Herb anyway.

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    -How will this City embrace this team?
    The Colts suck for the first time in over a decade, and there is an opening to capture the intrest of a city looking for a reason to fall back in love with their first love - Basketball. Potential name recognizable FA's, young exciting roster full of new faces and good citizens, but will it connect with the public? Will attendence noticably improve? How long, if at all, will it take to start filling seats & securing the furure of this team in this city.
    Unfortunately, I'll be spending most of this season still in Orlando, so I won't be able to see how the city reacts to the return of their Pacers. However, with the fallback of the Colts (a Christmas gift from God, imo), Indy is going to look to the Pacers to bring back our pride. We're Indiana, the Pacers' REAL Sixth Man. There's no way this team will flourish without the entire state's support, in comparison to how well they can do with every seat filled in Conseco. Whether it's making strides to get EJ for the namesake, or bringing in players the on-the-fence fans may not even recognize, all the Pacers have to do is show that they're ready to perform and produce, and the city will follow along. Maybe the Pacers need a new Director of New Age Media and Interpersonal Digital Marketing (moi). It's all about getting people to realize how important this season is to our team, to our city, and to the league. Coming off the most important and exciting season in ages, now that the anticipation is over, it's time to top last year by shocking and surprising the opposing teams, their fans, and our own, 66 times this year, and then some.
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    1. Can Roy Hibbert play this season without having episodes of depression or self doubt? He has had Satan exercised from his life and we all know that Frank is one step below Tony Robins as a motivational speaker. So in other words we will find out how much of what has transpired in the past has been because Roy was mentally beaten down or Roy was mentally weak.

    2. How good is Paul George? There is a lot riding on our tall athletic shooting guard and expectations run from just being a good contributor to being an all-star (maybe not this season but I know some of us think it will come). This question has a lot of sub questions built into it as well. Will he become part of the offense on a nightly basis, will he be able keep up the defensive intensity that he showed in the playoffs, has he developed a mid range game?

    3. What do we need at the four spot? Not so much of who but what. Do we want an athletic four who is like a pogo stick with some offensive game? Do we want a brute that will just clog the lane on defense and maybe help out when they can on offense? Do we want a power forward that spreads the floor? Are you more interested in the player being a better defender or offensive player? Can Tyler ft the bill for any of these and if not who for you is the answer?

    4. Darren Collison or George Hill? Honestly didnít think weíd have to make this decision this early on but Mike Wells seems to think that Hill will eventually be the starter. Who do you want? What skills do either bring to the position, what skills do either lack?

    5. Frank Vogel, saint or angel? Ok, just kidding (well sort of) but letís be honest there are questions to answer here as well. Can he handle the minute distribution from what appears to be somewhat of a glut in the backcourt? George, Hill, Collison, Jones, Price & letís not forget Larry Birds favorite player Lance. Will he be able to hold these guys together as the year goes on? Last year Iím certain they were all just thrilled to be unshackled from the evil clutches of Satan and almost anyone could have had a positive impact. But now the newness is off and the stench of the previous failure is starting to waft away can he hold them together once they hit their first losing streak.

    There are a lot more questions going into the season but these are the five I want to start with. Let me hear your answers.
    1. I think Roy will be fine. I think that people blow the sports psychologist thing way out of proportion. I think that if he's stronger, and can hold his position better that he'll have more confidence and that it will spread to the rest of his game, as well as his personal and team life. I expect him to break out this season. He has all the tools, and has the work ethic and will to do it, plus apparently he's put on a ton of muscle, so we'll see.

    2. Very good. I could see paul averaging low teens in scoring, and we know he's a very good defender. I think there will be some growing pains, but if he's worked on his 3 pt. range he could be one of the better sophomores, and I have extreme confidence in him in the long term. Paul George's mid range game was already very good last year, he shot an awesome % on 2 pt. shots, it's 3 pointers that need work.

    3. I want us to pick up west if he's affordable. He has some toughness, and an amazing mid ranged jumper that will allow roy to have some space to work inside. I don't think we need a brute. Murphy was an extreme in the other direction, but i want a guy that can step out to mid range while still being at least adequate on the glass. Roy is becoming a decent defensive anchor, he isn't Rik, that needs dale neccesarily. If west was fully healthy he'd be ideal, hopefully he's fully back. Hans can do some of that stuff, but he chucks too often, and gets lost on defense, he may get there, but right now i'd rather he be the ultimate energy, active, and prolific scoring 6th man that the fans love.

    4. I see Collison starting most games, unless we're facing a westbrook or rose or wall, in which case hill may see some starts or at least play more minutes than usual. Hill is a better defender, but I think collison can become at least adequate, and as much as people like to rag on collison's passing he's far better at it than Hill, who even starting at PG for san antonio averaged abysmal assist numbers. Hill will be awesome backing up 2 positions, but I could see him winning out.

    5. I think he'll be fine. Lance is the one guy that I could see missing out on PT, like last year, and he might take some heat from larry, but I think that he's open enough, frank enough , and honest enough that players will be able to respect the decisions he makes as long as they are producing wins. Wins cure most ills, and for at least this season I think the guys will be thrilled to just be winning over .500 of their games. In the future as expectations get higher we'll see what happens, but I don't forsee conflict in that regard this year.

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    5 more I have:

    -Is P.George future as a SG or a SF?
    If he is more suited for the 3, what/when is our next move? Granger would be a nice piece in any trade, but you only move him to improve at another position (esp SG, PG). I do not want toi move Danny, but I do not want to limit Paul's growth by playing him out of position.

    -Will Lance find a position in our rotation?
    Will he be able to transfer the practice court to game day? Is he a "wildcard" or a "wildchild"? Lance could be a 2nd unit killer, or a lockerroom cancer - we need to know & react ASAP. He could be huge for this team by improving his court play &/or his trade value by showing he is "Now Ready".

    -How long a leash does Frank have w/ B.Shaw on the bench?
    I really like Frank & think a guy like B.Shaw could be a HUGE influence to his development, but if we struggle, how long does Larry stay with him. Don't want to be a wet blanket, but we all know this has potentiel.

    -Is this Larry's "swan song", & if so, who steps into his spot?
    We have brought some new faces to our coaching & executive staffs of late, and with the inpending departure of Larry, what is his (& Herb's) succession plan for the front office? Is it a given it's Morway? Im not so sure.

    -How will this City embrace this team?
    The Colts suck for the first time in over a decade, and there is an opening to capture the intrest of a city looking for a reason to fall back in love with their first love - Basketball. Potential name recognizable FA's, young exciting roster full of new faces and good citizens, but will it connect with the public? Will attendence noticably improve? How long, if at all, will it take to start filling seats & securing the furure of this team in this city.
    1. Paul George is either. If he is quick enough and athletic enough to guard chris paul and derrick rose than he is certainly quick and athletic enough to guard any 2 in the league. The positions are identical for all intents and purposes on offense, so he's fine at the two, in fact I like him at the two more. Some larger SF's may be able to push hi maround until he gains some strength.

    2. It's pending. Larry will push frank to at least give him a chance, and then it's up to him. Personally I don't factor him into my expectations of the team.

    3. Vogel is the head coach. I don't think he'll have problems. Shaw is a coup, but it doesn't indicate that vogel has a short leash, especially given how much he is loved by the fans and players.

    4. If Larry is truly leaving I could see it being Pritchard or Morway. Possibly morway becoming president and Pritchard GMing.

    5. Indy is pretty fairweather with professional sports. Butler isn't any good this year, the colts blow... If the pacers are good than we have a very golden chance to win back more fans at once than we would in a normal year. I could see Roy and Vogel becoming really popular around the community if their great personalities are accompanied by winning basketball games.

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    5 more I have:

    -Is P.George future as a SG or a SF?
    If he is more suited for the 3, what/when is our next move? Granger would be a nice piece in any trade, but you only move him to improve at another position (esp SG, PG). I do not want toi move Danny, but I do not want to limit Paul's growth by playing him out of position.

    A little from colum A & a little from colum B. Was Jordan or Pippen the shooting guard or small forward (not that either of these guys come close in talent but you know what I mean). I'd hate to punt Granger down the road when there is zero reason in my mind that they can work so well together.

    -Will Lance find a position in our rotation?
    Will he be able to transfer the practice court to game day? Is he a "wildcard" or a "wildchild"? Lance could be a 2nd unit killer, or a lockerroom cancer - we need to know & react ASAP. He could be huge for this team by improving his court play &/or his trade value by showing he is "Now Ready".

    It's really all up to Lance in a way. Talent wise he has a top end as high as anyone on our team and frankly is probably better than over half of them. But at the same time until he understands that the defensive end of the court is equally as important as the offensive end I don't know how big of a role he will play. I think a combo of him and Hill in the back court works great because both can handle the ball and George can play very effectively off of the ball. But again, all of this depends on Lance and his willingness to comply and stay out of trouble. On a bright note he has stayed in Indy, hasn't had any run in's with the law or even had a whiff of problems in the off season.

    -How long a leash does Frank have w/ B.Shaw on the bench?
    I really like Frank & think a guy like B.Shaw could be a HUGE influence to his development, but if we struggle, how long does Larry stay with him. Don't want to be a wet blanket, but we all know this has potentiel.

    Yip, this was Larry's price for giving him the coaching job. He'll have a significant leash but your correct in assuming that Shaw is waiting in the wings if Frank doesn't deliver. I just hope that Brian is committed to the job he has and isn't locker room lawyering to be the front man.

    -Is this Larry's "swan song", & if so, who steps into his spot?
    We have brought some new faces to our coaching & executive staffs of late, and with the inpending departure of Larry, what is his (& Herb's) succession plan for the front office? Is it a given it's Morway? Im not so sure.

    I think Morway got the vote of confidence this past summer and if Bird leaves then he will move up and Pritchard will take his job.

    -How will this City embrace this team?
    The Colts suck for the first time in over a decade, and there is an opening to capture the intrest of a city looking for a reason to fall back in love with their first love - Basketball. Potential name recognizable FA's, young exciting roster full of new faces and good citizens, but will it connect with the public? Will attendence noticably improve? How long, if at all, will it take to start filling seats & securing the furure of this team in this city.
    As everyone knows a perfect storm hit this franchise several years ago. A roster that not everyone liked, the brawl, off court drama and frankly slog ball (yes it was far superior to the crap ball we've played over the past few years but let's not set the bar so low that we can just walk over it) all made for a tidal wave of fan resentment add to this the upswing of the Colts and basically the Pacers went from being the marque team on the city to frankly second class. Now having said that I'll say this. We may be on the verge of the exact opposite. The Colts are in trouble, the players are likeable, the coach is beyond likeable and on top of that we have a chance for the first time in a long time to look at a season where we can say the playoffs are expected not hoped for. It won't happen right away, but yes I think the city can come to embrace this team. If they can start off hot then frankly the lockout may be the best thing that could have happened to them as they will be the top story in town since the Colts are already done for the year.


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