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The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

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  • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
    Please no more "stop-gap", we were told by Larry to wait for this magical year and we are still thinking about "stop gap" players? I understand that people are getting used the mediocrity here so they are happy with a bench player signing, not me, now we finally have the opportunity to aim higher, there shouldn't be anymore excuses, you wanted cap space? you have it, you wanted young players to use in trades? you have them, the waiting time for me at least is over I want to see results now and signing Landry doesn't do it for me.
    You do realize that cap space doesn't just disappear right?
    You do also realize that next year's FA class is MUCH better than this years right?
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    • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
      You do realize that cap space doesn't just disappear right?
      You do also realize that next year's FA class is MUCH better than this years right?
      People keep bringing "the next year class is better" thing everytime, other than Dwill,CP3,Howard and EJ "the next year class" is similar to this years class and no I don't think we have a chance to get neither.
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      • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

        Originally posted by CableKC View Post
        I don't see why adding JCraw and Gasol OR Nene couldn't be considered a move to putting together the best team that the Pacers can muster to try to win a Championship.
        I am only talking about adding Crawford with that comment

        I agree with many that would prefer to save the $$ and throw it at Eric Gordon...but I think that the Clips will extend him this season and ( at worst ) will match any offer that he receives as a RFA. That's one of the main reasons why they dumped BDiddy and ended up ( unknowingly ) losing Kyrie Irving to the Cavs...to clear CapSpace to go after a Big Time FA in the 2012-2013 season to pair next to Blake ( assuming that they don't lose him to the Dwight Howard Sweepstakes )....while having enough room to pay for Gordon under his RFA contract.
        Exactly, adding B.Davis to a big contract, having his production go way down, and then having to give up a top unprotected pick to get rid of him.

        P.S. I am not really one of the "Lets Give Gordon a Max Offer" folks, I think he still has a lot to prove before he is given that.

        I don't see JCraw as a mediocre Player...he's one of the best 6th Man Guards in the League for the last couple of seasons. As long as there is enough minutes to accommodate PG where he is playing a minimum of 24 mpg and up to 30 mpg over the next 4 seasons...which there is....then I don't see the problems. For now, the minutes may favor JCraw over PG and the roles may reverse in the next year or two....I have no problem with that....as that's the reality when you bring in veterans, their experience and depth to the roster ( which is what Bird has said that he wants to do ).....Roles and minutes change over time as younger Players develop and older Player switch to more of a supporting role..
        He is mediocre, he excels in some aspects and is week in others, which end up making him a mediocre player, if PG does not mature offensively enough where he is better that Crawford(overall) then we have a big problem on our hands, not only will we be starting a mediocre 2 guard but our best prospect will be considered a bust.

        Also we already have too many good 6th man on this team as it is, Tyler, DC, Hill(until we see how he fits into our system), I do not think that is really adding another is that big of an improvement.

        At the likely cost of bringing JCraw in $8.5 to 9 mil a year for 4 years.....yes, I would fully expect for JCraw to play a key role in the next couple of years.
        And what if he doesn't, I bet most teams think that is what happens when they bring in a older guy. But most teams trying to find their way get enamored with young guys, I know we did not have as high of expectations for Posey coming in as we do with Crawford, but come on now, the guy is getting paid ~7 mil to sit the bench, and we just have to live with it.

        I agree that we have to grow together....but when Foster and Inferno is the most experienced and oldest Players on the roster....even I don't think that there is not enough Playoff and veteran experience on the Team now.

        IMHO...IF it is true that Bird is willing to go after Gasol at some contract that is likely to exceed $13.5 to 14 mil a year WHILE giving Hibbert up to get him...while going after vets like JCraw OR Battier....this to me signals that Bird and Co doesn't want to patiently wait that extra season or two for things to mesh. Giving Hibbert up to get Gasol ( if it's true ) is the tell tale sign that they don't even want to wait for Hibbert to figure things out in a year or two...they want to put together the best Team that they can put together NOW and make the best run that they can.

        We are still 2-3 years from being at our peak, I am sure that we will get a decent amount of playoff experience during that time, I doubt that bringing in Crawford will help us that much in that aspect.
        Why so SERIOUS

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        • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
          People keep bringing "the next year class is better" thing everytime, other than Dwill,CP3,Howard and EJ "the next year class" is similar to this years class and no I don't think we have a chance to get neither.

          Except when you have more players at the top, it pushes everyone else down. Nene is the best FA on the market this year, he wouldn't be even in the top 10 next season.

          Spending money, just because you have money to spend, is never a good reason to do so. Never.

          Go talk to KStat how it worked out for the Pistons.
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          • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            other than Dwill,CP3,Howard and EJ "the next year class" is similar to this years class
            I agree that if you take those four all-stars out of the 2012 free agency class, it is similar to to the 2011 free agency class. I also think that if you take $4 million dollars away from $5 million, it's similar to $1 million.

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            • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

              Originally posted by Since86 View Post
              Except when you have more players at the top, it pushes everyone else down. Nene is the best FA on the market this year, he wouldn't be even in the top 10 next season.

              Spending money, just because you have money to spend, is never a good reason to do so. Never.

              Go talk to KStat how it worked out for the Pistons.
              Just because the Pistons screwed up doesn't mean that the Pacers are going to do the same.

              I would also like to mention that if Nene was a free agent next year he would still be top five(Howard,Dwil,CP3,EJ,Nene).
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              • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                People keep bringing "the next year class is better" thing everytime, other than Dwill,CP3,Howard and EJ "the next year class" is similar to this years class and no I don't think we have a chance to get neither.
                Does someone have the Free Agent Class of 2012 somewhere so we can see?

                If adding SG depth ( either as a Starter or Backup ) or a Starting Center or PF isn't an option for this season...then I would like to know who would be available ( even at the PG spot ) via Free agency to fill those needs in the 2012-2013 Free Agent Market.
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                • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                  Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                  Just because the Pistons screwed up doesn't mean that the Pacers are going to do the same.

                  I would also like to mention that if Nene was a free agent next year he would still be top five(Howard,Dwil,CP3,EJ,Nene).
                  Where does DRose, Russell Westbrook, and Kevin Love fit in there?
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                  • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    People keep bringing "the next year class is better" thing everytime, other than Dwill,CP3,Howard and EJ "the next year class" is similar to this years class and no I don't think we have a chance to get neither.
                    You make that sound as if that's the only way to use cap space. Is nobody patient enough to wait for something better? Yes, there are better things than overpaying for free agents. I promise. Even if we can't get one of those big name players, teams are going to be willing to cut cap space and give away players because they feel they have a chance.

                    Far too much impatience. I would rather stay under the minimum salary (it's not like there's an actual penalty) and wait things that make sense, and are cost effective.

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                    • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                      Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                      Does someone have the Free Agent Class of 2012 somewhere so we can see?

                      If adding SG depth ( either as a Starter or Backup ) or a Starting Center or PF isn't an option for this season...then I would like to know who would be available ( even at the PG spot ) via Free agency to fill those needs in the 2012-2013 Free Agent Market.
                      http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...eeAgents-11-12
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                      • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                        Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                        Where does DRose, Russell Westbrook, and Kevin Love fit in there?
                        Probably somewhere in the "we have no chance to get any of them" part of the equation.

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                        • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                          Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                          Where does DRose, Russell Westbrook, and Kevin Love fit in there?
                          Those guys are getting extentions this year, there are reports that Klove and Rose are getting the max.
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                          • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                            Does someone have the Free Agent Class of 2012 somewhere so we can see?

                            If adding SG depth ( either as a Starter or Backup ) or a Starting Center or PF isn't an option for this season...then I would like to know who would be available ( even at the PG spot ) via Free agency to fill those needs in the 2012-2013 Free Agent Market.
                            SG the only one besides EJ would be Mayo.

                            Here is the like, I believe the full thing was posted on another thread already.

                            http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-free-agents/
                            Why so SERIOUS

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                            • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                              Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                              Probably somewhere in the "we have no chance to get any of them" part of the equation.
                              Nene being the #1 FA on the market pretty much sets his own price. Him being 10 on the market, puts less teams in competition for him, which lowers his price.

                              Either those major FA's, that no one thinks the Pacers have a shot at, re-sign with their own teams, or they sign with small markets because the Knicks/Lakers don't have any cap space to sign them.
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                              • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                                Originally posted by billbradley View Post
                                Stuckey is slightly more productive on a losing team.
                                I think it's more than slightly, really. Scoring-wise, sure, they're close to even. Crawford's a shooter; Stuckey's a slasher who gets to the line. But beyond that, it's strongly in favor of Stuckey. Rebounds, assists, and assist-to-turnover ratio.

                                I'm also not persuaded much by the losing team argument. If you made a list of the top-20 reasons Detroit is a bad team, I don't think Stuckey makes the list.

                                Conversely, I don't think Crawford's a major reason why Atlanta's a winning team. I think that credit goes almost entirely to their big three, Johnson, Horford, and Smith. I think Atlanta agrees, which is why they don't seem to be too concerned with resigning Crawford─he's not that important to their success.

                                Also, I think the age factor is important. Crawford is 31 (32 before the season ends). He's too old to be any type of long-term answer. He'd be nothing more than a stop-gap. On the other hand, Stuckey's right in the age group with our core group of players, and if he performs well, could be one of our building blocks for years.

                                Finally, I like the idea of taking one of Detroit's best players away from them.

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