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  • #46
    Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

    Boston to shed cap space. Allen and Rondo to get veternship and winners, been there before... Go on, I'm listening...
    Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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    • #47
      Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

      Originally posted by PacerGuy View Post
      Look Harder!!!
      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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      • #48
        Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

        Morway is on the radio right now, he is saying that they already added one good player to the team and that is George Hill.
        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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        • #49
          Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

          "is going to be really slower than ussual because they can talk to players yet"

          "once we get to the 8th we would know for sure what is going to happen"

          "you would see a flurry of verbal agreements before the 8th"
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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          • #50
            Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

            "we have to ad bigs to the basketball team"

            "if we can, we would like to ad some maturity to this basketball team"

            "if we find the right guy at the right price we are going to ad the guy"
            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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            • #51
              Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

              I just want to point this out and I agree with Vznla81 that there is little to be had next year via FA's outside of EJ. No superstars are coming IMo.

              The kicker is a trade and a few guys will be expiring deals (2012/13) that won't likely come back to their team hence a trade could work in our favor.

              A look at a few.... Paul Milsap, Josh Smith, Jameer Nelson (PO), Gerald Wallace (PO), Kevin Martin (Maybe), Elton Brand, Al Jefferson, Ellis (PO).

              These aren't world better but teams will be looking to resign some of them or let them go through a trade if they think they can't resign them.
              Last edited by Gamble1; 12-01-2011, 12:31 PM.

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              • #52
                Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                "if we keep our cap flexibility many teams would like to send players to our team"


                "we would like to keep our cap flexibility for the future"

                "if you look at other teams that expended their cap space in free agents that didn't work out to well for them"

                "we like GH he's got a lot of leadership qualities and wanted to come home to indiana"
                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                • #53
                  Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                  Great to hear, as much as I'd like to get all of these players that could help now, why not let this group grow and only make deals that are really good. No Rush, lets see what we have, a little bit.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                    That sounds great and all Morway, but Nene would make you a top 3-4 team in the east THIS YEAR. You better spend that cash on an impact player.
                    You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                      "if we keep our cap flexibility many teams would like to send players to our team"


                      "we would like to keep our cap flexibility for the future"

                      "if you look at other teams that expended their cap space in free agents that didn't work out to well for them"

                      "we like GH he's got a lot of leadership qualities and wanted to come home to indiana"
                      I'm glad that their concerned about the same thing happening to us as Detroit.

                      None of these FA's are worth overspending on. Bide your time until a good trade comes along, and if one doesn't come along wait until an offseason with players worth splurging on.

                      Who knows what the future holds. Maybe we could end up with EJ if he's an RFA and we max him out, maybe we could convince the clips to sign and trade if this is where EJ wants to go. Maybe we could convince D-Will if we have an awesome season this year that he's the last piece to making us contenders. Maybe Paul Breaks out and we are closer than we thought to being serious players.

                      Sign D-West if you can get him for less than 10 per. Otherwise pick up a landry on the cheap, if for no other reason than being another trade chip while still maintaining our cap flexibility. We'll be potential big winners in every future "rondo" scenario. Eventually something good will come our way, and when the time is right we can make the jump from what will hopefully be level of perennial playoff team (this year) to second tier contender or more. I just want a shot, and I thin kwe have a real chance fo getting there if we are patient.
                      Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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                      • #56
                        Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                        Sounds like we will be signing David West relatively cheap, if there's no real market for him. Also, it looks like that we're going to try to sign TWO near max deals next summer. I can live with that. One more year for our team to gel together, and we can add a difference maker player OUTSIDE OF EJ next summer.

                        Unless a trade just falls in our lap without us giving up anything substantial....


                        Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                        • #57
                          Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                          What the window for the cap space? I mean, when will extending the young guys start to eat into that, significantly? These guys won't be on rookie deals forever.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                            Yeah, i'm not a big fan of the defeatest attitude that we'll never ever be able to get a star to play here. You never know until you try, and we're certainly capable of trading for someone near that level.

                            David west on the cheap would actually fit amazingly well in my opinion, and will just make this team all the more attractive for a big time player.

                            Best case scenario- David West hasn't missed a beat, voila we have that second "Danny level" (slightly lower, but in the ballpark 1 time all-star etc..), if paul can get at least that good in the near future we're sitting pretty.

                            Plus I don't want to max out nene, and then have hibbert break out in a huge way and eventually have problems extending our own players.

                            Nene is nice. But not for the max. near the deadline there will be tons of deals like the Rondo one discussed. Every team that isn't working out will be lining up for our salary cap relief, and will have to pay pretty for the priveledge.
                            Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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                            • #59
                              Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                              Originally posted by Speed View Post
                              What the window for the cap space? I mean, when will extending the young guys start to eat into that, significantly? These guys won't be on rookie deals forever.
                              We will try to extend Hibbert pretty soon actually in all likelyhood. I'm not sure if we want to let him be an RFA. Give him a fair but not overpriced offer now, when the good feelings are rolling, he loves frank, has area 55 etc..

                              We let him get RFA we'll end up matching a huge offer or have to let him go, and it would break my heart.
                              Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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                              • #60
                                Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                                Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                                I would start by running McRoberts in the pick and roll constantly. I would give him free reign to take one dribble and shoot or one dribble on his drive. I wouldn't want him making several dribbles while guarded because that isn't a strength. I would let him run the fast break though. His high handles are easily picked, but that isn't a problem in the open court. I would run WAY more big to big picks down low with McRoberts, Foster, Hibbert, and Hansborough. These picks often times open up guys for easy buckets, which we NEED from the post.

                                Rush I would have moving off of picks and playing the high wing. Rush I NEED to be setting up Hibbert in the low block and moving off of that more consistently. Rush does a terrific job working with the big to get one or both open. That needs to happen more frequently, especially with Brandon's defense, which I am almost always a proponent of more defensive pressure.

                                Granger, needs to be more of a weakside threat who can move into the high post and crash the glass more (same with Paul). Granger playing the weakside allows him to run PnR off the weak side which will help him get open or leaves open space for him to get more dribble drive-pull up jumpers with a lesser big closing. I would actually make the right side of the court the weakside and leave Granger (and PG) there, and Post Hibbert to the left side as the strong side. It gives Hibbert more opportunity to open up his shooting hand in his low post moves. Or pass around double teams with his strong hand.

                                I would also post the hell out of Hansborough when he is in the game, and make him pass out of it (may be some learning curves but will be good long-term). Players will want to over-collapse on him just to hit him back. Hansborough needs to stay as close to the glass as possible, because that is where his toughness is needed. He (and McRoberts/Foster) would be playing more of a "high post-in" with his movements. And I certainly would ask for more dribble penetration from our PGs to facilitate that movement.

                                I think there was too much priority on weakside passing for a team void of primary scorers. There needed to be more of a focus on getting a good look early in the shot clock and then vary the offense if that doesn't present itself. I think Vogel had a lot of the right ideas when he took over. Hibbert was in the post more and rotations were much better. We went away from having so many soft cuts to the interior by guards.

                                I would give Stephenson more burn with guys like Rush, PG, McRoberts and Foster, who struggle to score on the second team. Let them run and run alot. We might turn the ball over some, but I guarantee it will help our depth be successful.

                                Hill is the one that I am most excited about on this roster. I think he has the breadth of talent to run point for us and get us into the proper sets offensively. He needs to look to score off the dribble a bit more here than he did in SA, but I think he knows this and will be capable of it. He really needs to get into a groove with how Granger likes to move without the ball.... er... well Granger will have to start moving without the ball more. But I think if they can develop a bit of a two man game where they can work one side of the defense they will keep teams off balance. I would love to see Granger, George, and Hill also work in the post some to keep matchups versatile.

                                I would run a lot more double screens from our bigs in the paint to make our perimeter to perimeter cuts. I think this will open our bigs and guards to get position that we typically struggle to obtain through footwork and size. This is where our scoring and passing can finally become effective in the way that would utilize our talent. We don't have the guys who can get to the spot on the floor at will that they can score from or make the scoring pass. I am not a coach, so I hope this makes sense.
                                I see some of your points but there are two things I would like to say, It does not seem like most teams run plays for their 6th and 7th option off the bench, if so they are very limited. Also Rush I think he had decent opportunities but too often he has deferred when he should have taken advantage. I do not know about giving Josh the go ahead though.
                                Why so SERIOUS

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