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  • #76
    Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

    Originally posted by glazedham42 View Post
    I say let someone else have him if that's the price. He's just flat out not worth that much. He's a cleanup guy on the boards, nothing more. His skill set isn't really that rare or difficult to learn.
    As mentioned before, Nene is one of the most efficient and effective Low Post scorers in the League. Yes, he sucks at rebounding for his size....but over the last 3 seasons....he averaged 14.3 ppg on 8.8 FGA while shooting 60% while taking 5.1 FTA line while making 70%. He's very effective on the scoring end by putting up 14+ ppg while not requiring the need to touch the ball on a regular basis on the offensive end.

    Putting up these scoring #s is not an easy skill to learn and IMHO a very valuable skill.

    If you want to have additional scoring threats in the Frontcourt that doesn't require the need to have ball in his hands ALL the time ( which also means that you can allow more touches for the rest of the Team ) in order to put up decent scoring #s....then Nene is your guy.
    Last edited by CableKC; 11-29-2011, 04:11 PM.
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    • #77
      Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

      I don't want to overpay Nene, but how do you get around these arms?

      Hill
      George
      Granger
      Nene
      Hibbert

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      • #78
        Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

        Originally posted by billbradley View Post
        I don't want to overpay Nene, but how do you get around these arms?

        Hill
        George
        Granger
        Nene
        Hibbert
        Yup, could be one of the best defensive units in the league.
        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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        • #79
          Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

          Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
          I will concede here that yes, at a 4 year deal. We definitely would be getting our money's worth overall, as opposed to paying a 35-36 year old Nene over 20 Million a season.

          Agreed,

          I have no problem giving Nene a 4/52-ish Max Deal. Which I believe is about all he can get under the current system.

          I wouldn't do a sign in trade for him though. The only sign and trade I'd entertain would be for a Gasol+Mayo for Hibbert+Something type of deal.

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          • #80
            Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

            Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force View Post
            It will still be his yearly number that eats up the cap and keeps us from signing anyone else.
            By how much a team would be overpaying for? 3mil? 4mil? I don't really think is that much for a guy like him.


            http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...sct=nba_t11_a0

            Here are Mannix comments regarding Nene and his contract:

            The Brazilian bruiser is everything a team could want in a center. He's young, physical and posted numbers that have been consistent (at least 75 games played, around 14 points and eight rebounds per game) over the last three seasons. Nene won't come cheap -- he reportedly is looking for more than $50 million over four years -- but he is a rare, almost All-Star-caliber starting center who can man the middle for a team for the next five years easily.
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            • #81
              Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

              Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post
              Anyone who gives max money to a career 12 & 7 29-year-old deserves to be stuck in salary cap hell for years to come. In that regard, I hope some team does give it to him, preferably an Eastern Conference team not named the Indiana Pacers.

              After this year someone will have to make a similar decision on a lesser Roy Hibbert.

              Is Hibbert worth extending for 4/52?

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              • #82
                Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

                Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                I will concede here that yes, at a 4 year deal. We definitely would be getting our money's worth overall, as opposed to paying a 35-36 year old Nene over 20 Million a season.
                This is exactly my point.
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                • #83
                  Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

                  The idea that people are actually thinking it is "OK" to pay Nene at 29 years old and a lifetime 16/7 guy 15 million per year for 5 years but would scoff at David West only 2 years older who's worst years are better than Nene's best years at 8 million per year for 4 years is crazier to me than these max offer type deals.

                  Its simple:

                  10 Million over 4 or 5? Lets do it!
                  12 Million over 5? Tempting but No.
                  14 Million over 5? Are you Crazy?
                  18 Million over 5? Rashard Lewis makes fun of us himself

                  Add in that simply adding Nene at BEST makes us the 3 or 4 seed in the East and we become the Atlanta Hawks lite with still no hope for a Championship run.

                  No, no, no, no, no.
                  I don't want to sound condescending, which means to talk down to you by the way

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                  • #84
                    Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    By how much a team would be overpaying for? 3mil? 4mil? I don't really think is that much for a guy like him.
                    Agreed......IF Nene is looking for something close to what Chris Mannix is suggesting:

                    Originally posted by Chris Mannix
                    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...sct=nba_t11_a0

                    Nene won't come cheap -- he reportedly is looking for more than $50 million over four years -- but he is a rare, almost All-Star-caliber starting center who can man the middle for a team for the next five years easily.
                    That is $12.5 mil per season. Some team will offer him that EASY. I'd even overpay and go up to $14 mil a year IF the Pacers really wanted him with some 4yr/$64 mil a year offer.
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                    • #85
                      Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

                      Originally posted by A.B.Hollywood View Post
                      The idea that people are actually thinking it is "OK" to pay Nene at 29 years old and a lifetime 16/7 guy 15 million per year for 5 years but would scoff at David West only 2 years older who's worst years are better than Nene's best years at 8 million per year for 4 years is crazier to me than these max offer type deals.

                      Its simple:

                      10 Million over 4 or 5? Lets do it!
                      12 Million over 5? Tempting but No.
                      14 Million over 5? Are you Crazy?
                      18 Million over 5? Rashard Lewis makes fun of us himself

                      Add in that simply adding Nene at BEST makes us the 3 or 4 seed in the East and we become the Atlanta Hawks lite with still no hope for a Championship run.

                      No, no, no, no, no.
                      With the new CBA free agents can only get 4 years max.
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                      • #86
                        Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

                        The money being rumored for the Nenes and Wests terrify me about Roy's extension. I realize Roy's not the same tier of player as either (yet? a man can dream), but big fella's gonna get paid.

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                        • #87
                          Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

                          Originally posted by A.B.Hollywood View Post
                          The idea that people are actually thinking it is "OK" to pay Nene at 29 years old and a lifetime 16/7 guy 15 million per year for 5 years but would scoff at David West only 2 years older who's worst years are better than Nene's best years at 8 million per year for 4 years is crazier to me than these max offer type deals.

                          Its simple:

                          10 Million over 4 or 5? Lets do it!
                          12 Million over 5? Tempting but No.
                          14 Million over 5? Are you Crazy?
                          18 Million over 5? Rashard Lewis makes fun of us himself

                          Add in that simply adding Nene at BEST makes us the 3 or 4 seed in the East and we become the Atlanta Hawks lite with still no hope for a Championship run.

                          No, no, no, no, no.
                          He'll definitely get offered more than 12, which hopefully means that the Pacers move on.

                          BTW, love your byline!

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                          • #88
                            Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

                            Originally posted by A.B.Hollywood View Post
                            Add in that simply adding Nene at BEST makes us the 3 or 4 seed in the East and we become the Atlanta Hawks lite with still no hope for a Championship run.

                            No, no, no, no, no.
                            I think becoming a perennial Playoff Team ( like the Hawks are now ) will bring back the fans and the $$$ to the Pacers Organization...which is one of the primary short and medium range goals that the FO is looking to accomplish.

                            To be fair....given the rise of the Super Teams...2 of them which are in the East...maybe a 4 to 6 seed is the best that we can hope for for the short term.

                            "Baby Steps" is what I am looking with the moves that the FO is making in the next 2 seasons. We're not going to become a Championship Caliber Team the way that the Knicks and Heat overnight....we're only going to do it over time.

                            If we are able to consistently become a 4th-6th Seeded Perennial Playoff Team...much like what the Hawks have done....than it's up to the Pacers FO to build upon that. Given Team Chemistry, more Playoff experience based off of the fouindation that the FO is laying now.....in the window that we have with Granger and anyone that we add next to him.....anything is possible. IMHO...building a strong foundation with a Team that has played together for a long time will go a long way to getting to the next level.

                            Basically, you have to start building a foundation of core Players to start playing together at some point......adding Nene, Chandler or AlJeff next to Granger is a good start IMHO and has to be done sooner...rather than later.
                            Last edited by CableKC; 11-29-2011, 04:32 PM.
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                            • #89
                              Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

                              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                              With the new CBA free agents can only get 4 years max.
                              Ahh good call. I completely forgot that.

                              Still any deal over 12 million for 4 years I would pass at. I'd much rather have West at 8 and Crawford at 7 than Nene at 15.
                              I don't want to sound condescending, which means to talk down to you by the way

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                              • #90
                                Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

                                Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                                The money being rumored for the Nenes and Wests terrify me about Roy's extension. I realize Roy's not the same tier of player as either (yet? a man can dream), but big fella's gonna get paid.
                                If you sign Nene then you can let Roy walk or trade him away if no extension can be reached. I think Roy is worth 10 to 11 million in "next" years market which is more competitve than this years.

                                Originally posted by A.B.Hollywood View Post
                                Ahh good call. I completely forgot that.

                                Still any deal over 12 million for 4 years I would pass at. I'd much rather have West at 8 and Crawford at 7 than Nene at 15.
                                West is going to get somewhere around 10 mill. This is just crappy FA class and those get overpaid.

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