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    Let's stop with this dream, is not going to happen.
    Please good sir, elaborate as to why is pie in the sky? Is there any indication that Clippers are gonna Max out Eric Gordon? When they have to Max out Blake Griffin as well?
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    Please good sir, elaborate as to why is pie in the sky? Is there any indication that Clippers are gonna Max out Eric Gordon? When they have to Max out Blake Griffin as well?
    They have 24 million on the books when Gordon has to sign. They can do both IMO and they can go overcap since they are their own RFA's.

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    Again for the people that keep talking about a front loaded contract, before the new CBA, we where possible going to do a sign and trade for either Nene,Gasol,West,Chandler or whoever and sign him for about 13/15mil year for six years right? and everybody here could have been happy and celebrating, isn't the same thing and an even better deal to sign whoever the guy is to 15 or 17mil for 4 years? we are going to pay more per year but at the end of the day the Pacers would have more flexibility in the future.
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    Default Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

    One of the national writers said today on Twitter that Dwight Howard is the Clips #1 target. If that happens, there's no way they can have Dwight, Blake, and EJ.

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    That would be a pretty big change in philosophy from the past 15+ years of operations for the Clippers. Carrying two max guys at the same time that they signed? I don't see it.

    EDIT: I saw the same thing Since. I just don't think Gordon is quite as pie in the sky as some of you do, I think it's pretty darn realisitc. The guy has probably spent as much time in Indy as he has LA this season, which is unheard of.
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    Let's try rephrasing the question: Is Nene worth one and a half Mike Dunleavies?
    Mike was not worth a half Dunleavy. Just because he was overpaid doesn't mean you make the mistake again.

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    One of the national writers said today on Twitter that Dwight Howard is the Clips #1 target. If that happens, there's no way they can have Dwight, Blake, and EJ.
    Did he say whether the plan was to wait and sign him next offseason, or work a trade sometime between now and then? If the Clippers' plan is to trade for Dwight, I'm fairly confident Eric Gordon would be a centerpiece of that trade, which makes the above irrelevant.

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    Please good sir, elaborate as to why is pie in the sky? Is there any indication that Clippers are gonna Max out Eric Gordon? When they have to Max out Blake Griffin as well?
    I thought the new rules allowed only one max contract per team? Was I dreaming that?

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    If there is any truth to Berger's article, which states that Nene is looking at near-max offers, then I am happy to get him out the door.
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    He is my favorite player on the team, but I don't want to see the team stuck in another Kmart type of situation for several years.
    Even Nuggets fans think paying Nene max (or near-max) money is crazy.

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    I thought the new rules allowed only one max contract per team? Was I dreaming that?
    Yes...
    • 2011 CBA: Players coming off their rookie scale contracts can extend for four additional seasons, although the team can designate one player who is eligible for five seasons at the maximum salary. A team can have only one designated player on its roster at any time. All other veterans can extend for four total seasons, which includes the seasons remaining on their current contract. The extension in an extend-and-trade contract is limited to three total seasons, which includes the seasons remaining on the current contract.
    From the other CBA explained thread the team is limited to one 5 year max not a 4 year max and a 5 year max.
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    Nene averaged 14.5 and 7.6 rebs per game last year. 30 mins, over 75 games. He did shoot an unreal .615 from the field, though. 2.0 Assists, 1.0 blocks, 1.1 steals, 1.8 turnovers.

    I mean, I like his game, but on what planet is that a max player?

    To compare with Big Roy

    12.7 pts, 7.5 rebs, 27.7 mins, 81 games. .461 %, 2.0 assists, 1.8 blocks, 0.4 steals, 2.3 turnovers.

    To me, Roy's numbers are right there, except what we all know, he really needs to hit a much higher percentage of shots. Thats is a big one, but still, its not like their numbers aren't kinda close.
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    Gosh, I hope the market isn't this irrational, this year.

    Nene is a 10-12mil/year player, fairly priced. I'll be disappointed in the front office if they entertain anything more than that.

    Now is the time for fiscal discipline. All of these newly committed mistakes these 2 weeks create new opportunities for smarter teams in the future.

    OKC just recently paid Perk 35 over 4... that's more rational.

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    Nene averaged 14.5 and 7.6 rebs per game last year. 30 mins, over 75 games. He did shoot an unreal .615 from the field, though. 2.0 Assists, 1.0 blocks, 1.1 steals, 1.8 turnovers.

    I mean, I like his game, but on what planet is that a max player?

    To compare with Big Roy

    12.7 pts, 7.5 rebs, 27.7 mins, 81 games. .461 %, 2.0 assists, 1.8 blocks, 0.4 steals, 2.3 turnovers.

    To me, Roy's numbers are right there, except what we all know, he really needs to hit a much higher percentage of shots. Thats is a big one, but still, its not like their numbers aren't kinda close.
    Roy is also 5 years younger, right?
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    I wasn't saying I wanted to offer Nene the max. I'm saying if you want Nene on the Pacers, you'll have to offer that to him. And even then, somebody else will as well.
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    Roy is also 5 years younger, right?
    Roy turns 25 in just under two weeks. So, he's a little over 4 years younger than Nene.

    I could see Roy putting up Nene numbers this year or next, without the FG %, which again is a big one for a big.

    Disclaimer: Nene does pass the eye test more than those numbers indicate, to me. Also, I still think he's a good fit with Roy and Tyler. Nene just isn't a max player, if someone pays him that, congrats to them. He does deserve a really good contract, however, imo.
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    I say let someone else have him if that's the price. He's just flat out not worth that much. He's a cleanup guy on the boards, nothing more. His skill set isn't really that rare or difficult to learn.

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    I wasn't saying I wanted to offer Nene the max. I'm saying if you want Nene on the Pacers, you'll have to offer that to him. And even then, somebody else will as well.
    My question is, how much a max deal is going to be? and isn't a max deal a better deal now that the contracts are shorter? in Nene's case we could sign him for four years(in his prime) instead of 5 or 6 years.

    edit: His contract this year would be also smaller because of the 66 games schedule.
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    30-34 is not always the prime for a basketball player. Especially a big man who has been in the league for 9 years already.

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    My question is, how much a max deal is going to be? and isn't a max deal a better deal now that the contracts are shorter? in Nene's case we could sign him for four years(in his prime) instead of 5 or 6 years.

    edit: His contract this year would be also smaller because of the 66 games schedule.
    I will concede here that yes, at a 4 year deal. We definitely would be getting our money's worth overall, as opposed to paying a 35-36 year old Nene over 20 Million a season.
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    Not sure how reliable this is...

    http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/11/...s-max-contract

    How NBA Lockout Deal Affects Nene's Inevitable Max Contract

    by Tom Ziller • Nov 29, 2011 1:15 PM EST

    Reports indicate that Denver Nuggets center Nene, an unrestricted free agent, has suitors willing to give him a max contract. Tweeters are in an uproar. Cynics remember the long list of insane contracts handed out every season in the modern history of the NBA and shrug. Of course someone will give Nene the max. Probably Marc Gasol and Tyson Chandler, too.

    But the deal that sprung from the NBA lockout will fix this injustice, right? Surely after that painful defeat at the hands of the Neo-Scrooges among NBA ownership, Nene's max contract won't end up being too huge. Right? Right?



    In the old collective bargaining agreement, assuming a $58 million salary cap, without cajoling the Nuggets into a sign-and-trade, Nene would have been eligible for a max contract of five years, $100 million.

    In the new NBA, with a $58 million salary cap and again assuming no sign-and-trade, Nene is eligible for a max contract of four years, $74 million.

    It's an absurd contract for a non-All-Star, non-All-NBA player in both cases. But it's about $26 million less absurd now.
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    Looks pretty tempting to me.
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    Average of 18/year? Move on, quickly.

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    I wasn't saying I wanted to offer Nene the max. I'm saying if you want Nene on the Pacers, you'll have to offer that to him. And even then, somebody else will as well.
    Good. Let another team, hopefully in the east, kill their cap with this guy. This is Rashard Lewis all over again. People will be laughing about this deal in a few years.
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    Again in the previous CBA the only way for us to get a guy like him could have been by giving him a 5years deal or a sign and trade where we could have given away picks and players in return + a 6 years deal.

    Let's say that we only got him for 14mil for 5 years = 70mil
    or 14 for 6= 84mil, isn't that the same thing as giving him a max for 4 years? (74mil in 4) yes you are paying more but the lenght of the contract won't kill you and he won't be able to pull a JO.
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    Again in the previous CBA the only way for us to get a guy like him could have been by giving a max for 5years or a sign and trade, giving picks and players in return for a 6 years max deal.

    Let's say that we only got him for 14mil for five years = 70mil
    or 14 for 6= 84mil, isn't that the same thing as giving him a max for 4 years? (74mil in 4) yes you are paying more but the lenght of the contract won't kill you and he won't be able to pull a JO.
    It will still be his yearly number that eats up the cap and keeps us from signing anyone else.
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