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    I still do not understand the desire for David West.

    One of the better free agents available? Yes. An upgrade at PF for the Pacers? Yes. The long term answer? No way. High risk? Heck yes.

    He just tore his ACL in March. Signing someone who is coming back from that injury is very risky especially when you are talking about making that player a key player on your roster. We just get all of the contract nightmares off the books and to think about signing a player who has a good chance of turning into another one of those nightmares...well i'll pass.

    Even if West hadn't torn his ACL I still wouldn't want him. He is 31 and will cost a lot of money. I consider even 8-9 million a lot of money. Most importantly I don't believe West makes the Pacers that much better than say Carl Landry. Call me crazy, stupid, or whatever. I just don't think West would make the Pacers that much better compared to more economically friendly options. Add in his injury concerns and it would be an easy pass for me.

    Just because the Pacers have cap space doesn't mean they have to use it the first chance they get. The Magic thought they did (signing Rashard Lewis) and while they did make a Finals appearance Rashard Lewis has turned out to be one of the most undesirable players to have on your team just based off of production and contract. They manage to trade him for Gilbert Arenas although I certainly wouldn't go bragging about that trade.

    Some girls like to say they are looking for "Mr.Right" and not "Mr.Right Now". I'd rather see the Pacers sign the player who is right for the long term and not the player who is right for the short term. Regardless of who is signed this team is not a championship contender this season. Having a little patience will go a long ways.

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    Also if he rejects their extension who says the Clippers wouldn't cut their losses and deal him to the Pacers? Honestly, I think people just don't think that any player could feel so strongly about the Pacers as a Chris Paul to NY or Melo for that matter as well.

    But EJ just might be that one exception.

    You've spoken to him about this love for the Pacers?

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    You've spoken to him about this love for the Pacers?
    Nope, just relying on his roots. I think he is the type of guy who has a real affinity for Indiana. He played on the legendary AAU team that featured a bunch of Indiana players. Played in the Indy Pro Am.
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    For the hardcore followers:

    http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2011...ning-camp-2011

    Jarrid Famous Secures Invite To Indiana Pacers Training Camp

    Jarrid Famous has secured an invite to the Indiana Pacers training camp after just three games of action in the NBA Development League, according to a source close to the player. NBA teams were allowed to begin contacting players on Wednesday morning, though agreements can't officially be signed until Dec. 9.

    Famous is playing for the Iowa Energy and, following Wednesday's matinee game, the 6-foot-11 rookie out of South Florida is averaging 24.7 points and 12.7 rebounds -- 6.7 of which are coming off of the offensive glass. The 23-year-old averaged 8.7 points and 5.4 rebounds during his senior season with the Bulls.

    The Energy are off to just a 1-2 start, but Famous has held his own early on his first season of professional basketball. Against the Sioux Falls Skyforce, featuring the best front line in the D-League with Greg Stiemsma and Charles Garcia, scored 33 points and grabbed 15 rebounds in a losing effort.

    Having only watched Famous for three games thus far, deferring to the always excellent Jonathan Givony on his shortcomings seems to be wise:

    Defensively, Famous has some excellent tools to work with, as he has great size, length and mobility for his position and could develop into a very effective matchup down the road, especially with his ability to switch on the pick and roll.

    Unfortunately that doesn't help him very much right now, as he simply lacks the fundamentals and awareness needed to be effective at the moment, and he's frequently targeted for isolation plays both in the post and on the perimeter by opposing coaches, often with great success. Famous tends to gamble a lot on this end of the floor and clearly isn't as tough or active as you would like to see from a big man with his physical tools, something he needs to improve significantly if he's to have any chance of making the NBA. While he's an above average rebounder offensively, the same can't be said about his production on the defensive end. Getting stronger should help in this regard, but at the same time, Famous must improve his effort level as well.

    NBA training camps open next Friday and while Famous is only one of what is expected to be 30-40 players called-up from the NBA Development League, he might be the one with the most ridiculous upside.
    Sounds like Magnum Rolle 2.0.
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    Lots of good stuff here, from the best in the business, so you know it's trustworthy...

    NBA free-agent buzz: Teams courting Nene - NBA - Yahoo! Sports




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    As NBA teams start to make a push for Denver Nuggets free-agent center Nene, front office officials are angling to be the first to meet with him at midnight Dec. 9 in his native Brazil.

    “That will go down to the wire,” a source close to Nene said.


    The Nuggets, New Jersey Nets, Golden State Warriors, Houston Rockets, Indiana Pacers, Los Angeles Clippers and Portland Trail Blazers were among the teams that reached out to Nene’s representatives Wednesday, the first day teams were allowed to contact agents to discuss potential deals.

    Once the offers arrive, it could take more than $13 million annually to sign Nene. While the market is still developing for him and the rest of a thin free-agent class, he’s clearly the focus for every team with cap space and the need for an inside presence. The Nuggets are pressed to keep him, and would likely have to pay significantly more than would’ve been necessary if they had worked a deal with him prior to his opting out this summer.

    The Nets could be the major threat for Nene because of their combination of salary-cap space and desire to surround point guard Deron Williams with as much talent as possible to convince him to sign an extension. Privately, Williams has made it clear that he’s far less inclined to re-sign a long-term deal with the Nets if they don’t immediately improve their roster. New Jersey can also gather assets and still stay in position to make trade offers to the Orlando Magic for Dwight Howard.





    Pacers, Hornets lead pack for West


    New Orleans free-agent forward David West, one of the top players on the market, had inquirers from several teams on Wednesday, but there remain two main contenders for him that are more serious than the others: the Hornets and Indiana Pacers.

    West’s future in New Orleans could still be tied to the decision the organization makes on whether to ride out the season with Chris Paul or look to move him quickly. If general manager Dell Demps decides to continue to sell Paul on re-signing with the Hornets, he’ll be far more aggressive in working to sign West to a new deal. Without Paul, it’s hard to imagine the Hornets committing years and money to a 31-year-old power forward when the organization moves into full rebuild mode.

    It’s surprising the Charlotte Bobcats haven’t reached out to West, who has spent most of his adult life living in the Raleigh-Durham area in North Carolina. West could give the Bobcats a tough, physical scoring and rebounding presence in the mold of coach Paul Silas, and they could use his character and professionalism in the locker room and community there.




    Young appeals to Bulls


    One of the most explosive restricted free agents, Washington Wizards guard Nick Young, is intriguing to several teams, but most wonder: Will the Wizards simply match any offer for him?

    Young can score, and the Chicago Bulls can appreciate the 30 and 38 points he had in two games against the Miami Heat a season ago. The Bulls are desperate for a scoring guard, and they have expressed interest in Young, along with Denver and New Orleans, front office sources said.

    Young hasn’t been much beyond a scorer in the NBA, and privately believes the chance to play for coach Tom Thibodeau could round out his game. Still, Chicago doesn’t have the cap space to make him an offer outside of Washington’s willingness to match the deal. The Bulls could find a way to be creative, however, but they’ll keep talking to several shooting guards and explore trades.




    Smith still seeking trade from Hawks


    Josh Smith hasn’t changed his mind on a future with his hometown Atlanta Hawks: He believes he’s probably run his course with Atlanta. Without an owner committed to making the changes to push this team past its second-round Eastern Conference ceiling, sources said he’d still welcome the team putting him into a trade.

    Rival executives say GM Rick Sund has told them everyone is available for deals, although Sund’s most reluctant to move Al Horford. There had been serious discussions between Atlanta and the Minnesota Timberwolves for Smith around the NBA draft, but they never materialized.




    No amnesty for Wizards’ Lewis

    The agent for Rashard Lewis said the Washington Wizards told him they don’t plan to use the league’s amnesty clause on the forward.

    Lewis is the NBA’s second highest-paid player, trailing only Kobe Bryant with a $21.1 million salary this season and $22.7 million in 2012-13. The proposed amnesty rule in the new labor agreement would allow the Wizards to waive Lewis and remove the money owed him from the team salary for cap and tax purposes.

    Lewis averaged 11.7 points and 5.1 rebounds for Washington and Orlando last season.
    “It’s not going to happen,” Dutt said. “I spoke to them [Wednesday] afternoon. They see him as a big part of what they hope to do going forward, not only as a player but a leader.”




    More free-agent chatter


    Tracy McGrady wants to play for the Bulls, sources said, and coach Tom Thibodeau has a relationship with him going back to their Houston Rockets days together. T-Mac is still a consideration to return to the Pistons, too. …Marc Gasol has significant interest around the league, but the most likely scenario is still him re-signing with the Memphis Grizzlies, sources close to him said. …The Thunder didn’t discuss a contract buyout with Nate Robinson on Wednesday, but he desperately wants to get out of the final year of his deal, a league source said. He’s just not going to play much for the Thunder. Orlando could be a landing spot for Robinson, should he become a free agent. …If Tayshaun Prince leaves Detroit without a starting small forward, the Pistons will have to work through a thin class to find a starter. For depth at the position, the Pistons will take a close look at free agent Mike Dunleavy, who is leaving the Indiana Pacers. …The Bulls still have an eye on bringing back Brian Scalabrine, who’s been playing well for Benetton in Italy. He has an out clause in his contract. …Miami, Chicago and New Jersey are strongly considering offers for Knicks free-agent forward Shawne Williams, who is coming off a strong season. The Knicks will make a strong bid to keep him, and he’s inclined to stay with them for a multiyear offer.
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    Josh Smith wants traded?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl..._agency_113011

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    Hawks forward Josh Smith is open to a trade from the team.
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    Josh Smith hasn’t changed his mind on a future with his hometown Atlanta Hawks: He believes he’s probably run his course with Atlanta. Without an owner committed to making the changes to push this team past its second-round Eastern Conference ceiling, sources said he’d still welcome the team putting him into a trade.

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    I'd roll the dice on Josh Smith.
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    This is still my biggest hope, as long as we can keep our core intact. (Big if.) Atlanta needs some cap relief, too, if they want to acquire & progress.

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    Josh Smith has one major flaw....he is a chucker. PF's shouldn't be chuckers.
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    This is from espn insider

    Team-by-team breakdown: New CBA
    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story...every-nba-team

    ATLANTA HAWKS

    How it helps: The Hawks just got a giant insurance policy on the massive Joe Johnson contract, greatly limiting the downside of one of the league's most questionable deals. The Hawks now have the luxury of using the amnesty on Johnson if and when the 30-year-old shows signs of slippage from his All-Star level (which will be at least another year down the line).

    How it hurts: Atlanta has $66 million committed to just seven players and no appetite for paying the luxury tax. With a $70 million tax level and no contract rollbacks, the Hawks will have to fill out the roster with minimum contracts unless they can work a trade.
    So the Hawks could use a team like the Pacers to take on Smith's salary in trade.

    Same article had this on the Pacers...

    INDIANA PACERS

    How it helps: It's hard to think of a team that got more screwed than the Pacers in this new CBA. But there may be a sliver of silver lining. The league did pass a new revenue-sharing program, which was high up on Indiana's wish list this summer. It's not as robust as small-market teams would like, but it should help their bottom line.

    Also, if teams use their amnesty this fall, the Pacers could be first in line to pick up a couple of cheap, subsidized veterans to fill out their roster. Rashard Lewis, Brandon Roy and Travis Outlaw could all be candidates to land in Indy for pennies on the dollar.

    How it hurts: Wow, it's ugly. While other teams have spent recklessly over the past few years, the Pacers have been one of the most disciplined teams in the league. They haven't signed a bad contract in some time and were poised to be one of the two or three teams with max cap room this summer. But just as they were prepared to reap their big reward, the new amnesty rule gives a big mulligan for big-market teams who weren't as careful with their spending. It also means teams like the Wizards and Pistons can now get far enough under the cap to compete with them for top free agents.

    They also won't get much help from the competitive balance rules that really haven't leveled the playing field at all. The rich teams can still outspend small-market teams -- they just do so at a higher cost. Making matters worse, the 50-50 BRI split still may not be enough for the Pacers to make a profit this season.

    Immediate impact (this season): The group of teams with cap space got a little more crowded, which may hurt the Pacers' chances of landing a top-flight free agent with their $20-plus million in cap space. But they're in good position to land a decent veteran or two on the cheap to help this young team.

    Long-term impact (future seasons): It's still pretty bright for Indiana. Larry Bird may be retiring soon, but GM David Morway is one of the brightest minds in the league. He understands the machinations of the CBA more than most, and having a GM who can understand how to work the system will be critical going forward.

    The Pacers have no bad contracts and a handful of intriguing young players like Paul George, George Hill, Roy Hibbert, Darren Collison and Tyler Hansbrough. If they can ever find a way to get a star -- and given the new tax rules it's conceivable that a team or two may have to give one up to stay under the more punitive tax -- the Pacers should be one of the better teams in the East for the foreseeable future.

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    Josh Smith has one major flaw....he is a chucker. PF's should be chuckers.
    Chucker? Smith only takes 12-13 shots per game (each year) and always makes 48-50% of them. How do we classify this as being a "chucker"?

    Isn't it far more likely that he is somewhat disciplined in the shots he takes?

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    Chucker? Smith only takes 12-13 shots per game (each year) and always makes 48-50% of them. How do we classify this as being a "chucker"?

    Isn't it far more likely that he is somewhat disciplined in the shots he takes?

    I think the general opinion around Atlanta is that he was improving with his shot selection under Woodson, but regressed last season. And that high FG% can be attributed to a lot of fast-breaks and layups. He is a pretty underwhelming as a jumpshooter, and he takes way too many deep twos. Don't get me wrong, I'd love him on our squad because I think he is an absolutely destructive defensive player, but he isn't without his flaws.

    Boy, I bet Atlanta is thrilled with that Joe Johnson contract. It is going to really hold the franchise down. If they really lose Josh Smith, I have serious doubts that they will even make the playoffs. That loss would turn the team into Joe Johnson, Al Horford, and a whole lot of nothing.

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    Chucker? Smith only takes 12-13 shots per game (each year) and always makes 48-50% of them. How do we classify this as being a "chucker"?

    Isn't it far more likely that he is somewhat disciplined in the shots he takes?
    IIRC the last playoff series he was just terrible. He's good but it would take a lot to get him. HE isn't worth what it would take and I haven't seen him as a positive in the team chemistry department for a long time.

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    Chucker? Smith only takes 12-13 shots per game (each year) and always makes 48-50% of them. How do we classify this as being a "chucker"?

    Isn't it far more likely that he is somewhat disciplined in the shots he takes?
    I think its more his shot selection. The ATL fans would literally collectively groan when he'd take a long two, instead of attacking the basket. He can score when he attacks, at a high rate, for sure, he just often settles or used to. I know he's aware of this perception, I've seen him talk about it in an interview. I think he really tried last year to not take long twos, but I really didn't watch enough to know if he was improved.

    I think the frustration for ATL fans for him is he seems to have a rare talent to put up amazing all around stats, including blocks and assists, but he doesn't do it consistently.

    In short, a top 15 talented (all-around) player with only top 50 production.

    imo.

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    http://sheridanhoops.com/2011/12/01/...y-hidden-gems/

    I hope we take a look at #1 on the list Luc Richard Mbah a Moute is one of my favorite players in the NBA. He defends all 5 positions and is a very underrated player. He is like a platoon player in baseball he could be very valuable to our depth if we get him.

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    I hope we take a look at #1 on the list Luc Richard Mbah a Moute is one of my favorite players in the NBA. He defends all 5 positions and is a very underrated player. He is like a platoon player in baseball he could be very valuable to our depth if we get him.
    Agreed. I'd much rather have mbah a moute than say, Carl Landry. If you toss him MLE type money, i honestly don't think the Bucks match.

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    I hope we take a look at #1 on the list Luc Richard Mbah a Moute is one of my favorite players in the NBA. He defends all 5 positions and is a very underrated player. He is like a platoon player in baseball he could be very valuable to our depth if we get him.
    Other than LRMAM, I don't like the rest of his list. DJ Mbenga, seriously?

    If we're talking budget PF options, I'd rather go after Hump than Landry. Landry basically duplicates Hans, why do we need 2 of them?

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    A minor Pacers mention...

    Free Agency Buzz 12.2.11: Howard trade sooner? - CBSSports.com

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    Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace told reporters Thursday that failing to re-sign restricted free agent Marc Gasol is "not in (his) wildest dreams." The Grizzlies are expected to match any offer for Gasol. Expect a team like the Pacers to offer up to a max offer for Gasol in an effort to pry him away. Michael Heisley's promise to spend to win is going to be tested.

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    This is first I've heard of the Pacers maybe throwing a max at Gasol, interesting. I like him better than any of the Free Agents, easily. I'd guess this means Roy would be out?

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    This is first I've heard of the Pacers maybe throwing a max at Gasol, interesting. I like him better than any of the Free Agents, easily. I'd guess this means Roy would be out?
    I'm guessing they just mentioned us because we have the money. From LB's presser it didn't seem like we were planning on throwing out max money to anyone.
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    Gasol is not worth the Max. David West isn't either but I'd pay West a sizeable amount of money before Gasol. I'd pay Nene a sizeable amount of money before Gasol. They don't need a soft white guy for the PF. They need either a toughie like Nene, or a pure jump shooter like West.

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    This is first I've heard of the Pacers maybe throwing a max at Gasol, interesting. I like him better than any of the Free Agents, easily. I'd guess this means Roy would be out?
    Roy's going to be in line for a huge new contract himself soon. I think any max deal going to a center would mean Hibbert would have to be traded. Everyone seems to believe that it's a foregone conclusion that Memphis will give Gasol the max themselves, so even if the offer is made, it won't matter.

    I think BPump33 is right though, we are one of very few teams with the ability to offer any free agents a max deal, so we'll be mentioned with every player who will command that kind of sum.

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    Gasol is not worth the Max. David West isn't either but I'd pay West a sizeable amount of money before Gasol. I'd pay Nene a sizeable amount of money before Gasol. They don't need a soft white guy for the PF. They need either a toughie like Nene, or a pure jump shooter like West.
    Racism aside, have you even watched Gasol play? He is not a softie.

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