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  • #31
    Re: Colts @ Titans Game/Post-Game

    It's just downright laughable at this point. Finally, Kravitz over at Indy star called out Polians' recent draft/Collins move as a major player in this lost season. Bout time.

    Collins was a whiff, Painter we've known he's horrid. Now we're just getting reminded. The team is playing worse and going belly up faster in games as the season progresses. The D and special teams stink.

    Get behind by 7 - 10 early. I don't care; you keep pounding Carter and Brown in there. Throwing a lot with CP is just asking for disaster - captain turnover.

    The ENTIRE coaching staff needs to be purged. Anything less is unacceptable. I'd love the see the Polian regime shown t he door, but when I'm not even confident Irsay will run Caldwell out of here, how can I expect more?

    If they get Luck, I'd draft defense with virtually every other pick. Maybe a WR thrown in here or there to replace Wayne's inevitable demise or departure. Garcon, White, Gonzalez, Collie not striking any fear into my heart. Maybe a trade or...heaven forbid...a FA acquisition toward that end.
    I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

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    • #32
      Re: Colts @ Titans Game/Post-Game

      Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
      Maybe a trade or...heaven forbid...a FA acquisition toward that end.
      Well the Colts don't go the free agent route very often and when they do (Vinatieri being the notable exception) the results have been mostly disastrous. Corey Simon, one full season and then injured. Booger McFarland, played the Super Bowl season and then injured and gone. Hank "hands of stone" Basket contributed notably to the SB loss to the Saints. Ricky Proehl was OK when he came out of retirement to replace Stoke. Same for Stover replacing Vinny for a time. But those aren't big time FA acquisitions. There's really a perfect storm here brewing against FA signings anyway. Indy isn't attractive for a lot of players, Caldwell's reputation as a horrible coach is being etched in marble, and sports agents would probably rather swallow razor blades than deal with the Polians. Ugh what a mess.

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      • #33
        Re: Colts @ Titans Game/Post-Game

        Painter is playing hard, but the rest of the team is playing a bunch prima donnas. Also, in man to man we're allowing what a 56% completion rate, that's actually pretty good and acceptable. Stupid zone.

        One of the worst coached teams I've ever seen at any level of a sport.


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        • #34
          Re: Colts @ Titans Game/Post-Game

          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
          Painter is playing hard, but the rest of the team is playing a bunch prima donnas. Also, in man to man we're allowing what a 56% completion rate, that's actually pretty good and acceptable. Stupid zone.

          One of the worst coached teams I've ever seen at any level of a sport.
          I disagree that they aren't playing hard. I think they're just that bad.
          "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

          -Lance Stephenson

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          • #35
            Re: Colts @ Titans Game/Post-Game

            With Manning signing what is likely his final contract and the end of the Manning era clearly in sight this should've been a team building for one final SB push and pulling out all the stops for this and the next couple of seasons. For this team to be in this bad of shape sans Manning in the year when the SB is Indy is just inexcusable. Sure, when Manning was declared not ready for the season the SB dreams for THIS season would've taken a hit but there still should've been a team taking the field that we could see the potential of what might've been this year with Manning. Heck, maybe even a team with a little luck that could've still been thinking playoffs and hoping Manning could return and keep the dream alive for another potential SB

            Instead, we're left wondering if we're going 0-16 and what difference even Manning could've made to this horribly put together team.

            You can talk about Polian's greatness all you want but the fact is he hasn't been 'great' in quite some time.
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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            • #36
              Re: Colts @ Titans Game/Post-Game

              Is that why Forbes named him the best GM in football last year?

              The Colts' Bill Polian has set himself apart by winning consistently with one of the league's lowest payrolls.
              http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/24/foo...-managers.html


              Once again, you're only telling half the story.
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              • #37
                Re: Colts @ Titans Game/Post-Game

                I wish I could cash a paycheck for the rest of my life based on my performance from 5 years ago and prior too. Apparently it only works for Polian.

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                • #38
                  Re: Colts @ Titans Game/Post-Game

                  Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                  Is that why Forbes named him the best GM in football last year?


                  http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/24/foo...-managers.html


                  Once again, you're only telling half the story.


                  No one is denying that he has had a great career.

                  But it's important to note that this article came out before last season. I seriously doubt they'd rank him number 1 now given that his team has started 0-8 without Peyton. Polian has made plenty of good moves, but Manning is by far the main reason that we've been so successful for so long and it's not even close. With Manning, we have swagger and are feared by everyone. Without Manning, we can't even win a freaking game. The fact that we are so beyond pathetic without Manning HAS to fall on someone. The GM is a good place to start I think.

                  Just because Polian has had a good career doesn't mean he's above criticism. Terry Francona led a Red Sox franchise that hadn't won a title in 86 years to two championships in four years, but was basically kicked out the door because of one miserable month in an otherwise great season. So Polian is certainly fair game due to a few years of questionable drafting and schemes, and an 0-8 record this season. I think everything Bball says is true. Is this really the best team we could have right now? Is this the best possible team that could maximize Peyton's remaining years? Forbes naming him the best GM 14 months ago isn't where you find the answers to these questions.

                  Him being great in Buffalo 20 years ago or his first 8-9 years here really has no bearing on his questionable moves in recent years or the fact that we are 0-8 right now. You can find plenty examples like the the Francona one I cited, where a once great coach/GM/player is kicked out the door due to recent poor performance or simply wearing out their welcome. Joe Torre is another perfect example. He won 4 titles in New York but was eventually shown the door.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Colts @ Titans Game/Post-Game

                    I didn't realize 2008 was 5 years ago...
                    Example: After eight-time Pro Bowl receiver Marvin Harrison retired following the 2008 season, Polian and his team replaced him with Pierre Garcon, who they found in the sixth round of the 2008 draft out of Mount Union College in Ohio. Garcon, making less than $500,000, became a favorite target of All-Pro quarterback Peyton Manning last season, catching 47 passes for 765 yards to help Indianapolis reach the Super Bowl.
                    http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/24/foo...-managers.html

                    Not to mention that Pat Angerer, who's in his second season, leads the league in tackles. And he's just not leading the league in tackles, he has 90 compared to NaVarro Bowman's second place standing of 68.

                    It's pretty easy to cherry pick his failures and ignore his successes.
                    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Colts @ Titans Game/Post-Game

                      Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                      Just because Polian has had a good career doesn't mean he's above criticism. Terry Francona led a Red Sox franchise that hadn't won a title in 86 years to two championships in four years, but was basically kicked out the door because of one miserable month in an otherwise great season. So Polian is certainly fair game due to a few years of questionable drafting and schemes, and an 0-8 record this season. I think everything Bball says is true. Is this really the best team we could have right now? Is this the best possible team that could maximize Peyton's remaining years? Forbes naming him the best GM 14 months ago isn't where you find the answers to these questions.

                      I think if you'd review the discussion, you'll find plenty of places where I place blame on Polian. I've never said he should be free from them. I've said I'm not sure on how much is his, but I've never denied he's played a pretty important role to how the Colts got to where they are.

                      It would be interesting to see if you can find any praise for Polian from Bball. I doubt you'll find any.


                      It would be nice to have a conversation about the whole picture, instead of half of it, which is what I've been saying for the past 8 weeks.
                      Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Colts @ Titans Game/Post-Game

                        Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                        I didn't realize 2008 was 5 years ago...

                        http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/24/foo...-managers.html

                        Not to mention that Pat Angerer, who's in his second season, leads the league in tackles. And he's just not leading the league in tackles, he has 90 compared to NaVarro Bowman's second place standing of 68.

                        It's pretty easy to cherry pick his failures and ignore his successes.
                        I'll cherry pick 0-8 and compare that against Garcon and Angerer all day long...
                        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

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                        • #42
                          Re: Colts @ Titans Game/Post-Game

                          IOW.... there's the here and now. I don't care what Polian did 5-10 years ago. He's not been building a consistent playoff winning team and that is especially true on defense where we have a flawed and failing system that he refuses to correct.

                          And Peyton Manning is going to make a lot of decent receivers look very good both by inspiring them to be their best and work hard as well as putting the ball where they need it to be successful.
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                          -John Wooden

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                          • #43
                            Re: Colts @ Titans Game/Post-Game

                            Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                            I think if you'd review the discussion, you'll find plenty of places where I place blame on Polian. I've never said he should be free from them. I've said I'm not sure on how much is his, but I've never denied he's played a pretty important role to how the Colts got to where they are.

                            It would be interesting to see if you can find any praise for Polian from Bball. I doubt you'll find any.


                            It would be nice to have a conversation about the whole picture, instead of half of it, which is what I've been saying for the past 8 weeks.

                            I know that you've placed blame on Polian, and I know that Bball's is extremely anti-Polain. But I didn't think Bball's post that triggered your Forbes response was particularly outlandish or anything. I thought the points he raised were very fair considering that we have made it halfway through the season.

                            I do certainly agree that some fans here have gone way overboard in recent weeks, and I've tried to stick up for Polian at times. I thought it was ridiculous when posters were implying that he drafted Manning in 1998 and then decided to not do jack**** for the next 13 years. That's ignoring quite a few damn good players that he's brought in. Also, I have said multiple times that the players' failure to execute in key situations is the number 1 reason that we do not have a second ring right now.

                            I do agree that a rational conversation is needed.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Colts @ Titans Game/Post-Game

                              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                              Painter is playing hard, but the rest of the team is playing a bunch prima donnas. Also, in man to man we're allowing what a 56% completion rate, that's actually pretty good and acceptable. Stupid zone.

                              One of the worst coached teams I've ever seen at any level of a sport.
                              At least Caldwell doesn't have white sideburns, unless somebody can provide photoshop "proof" that he does now

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                              • #45
                                Re: Colts @ Titans Game/Post-Game

                                Ouch, I know Caldwell is terrible but even I think it's unfair to insinuate that he's the NFL equivalent of JOB.

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