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Top 10 players in the east?

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  • #16
    Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    In no particular order:

    Julius Irving
    Roger Brown
    Mel Daniels
    Dan Issel
    George McGinnis
    Artis gilmore
    Connie Hawkins
    Billy Cunningham
    Louie Dampier
    Bob Netolicky


    You know, I might take that lineup over the ones we've listed above. That first five is awfully d@#n good.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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    • #17
      Re: Top 10 players in the east?

      1. Jermaine -- Every other player on this list practically would be traded to get Jermaine, besides the popular ones, Lebron, AI.

      2. Ben Wallace -- He is the face of the Pistons, and without him wouldn't be where they are or have been.

      3. Jason Kidd -- He sees everything on the floor and is the best Nets player on both ends of the floor.

      4. Lebron James -- He's just about at this position right now, as now he's leading his team to more and more victories, but look out JO, Wallace, and Kidd in the next couple years.

      5. Tracy McGrady -- The people around him have failed him this year, but he's the best scoring 2/3 in the east.

      6. Allen Iverson -- The guy has been shooting a little bit better, and always brings the energy and sheer will every night.

      7. Ron Artest -- What he does on both ends is unmatched in the NBA, but as long as he's in Indy, he's the 2nd star.

      8. Paul Pierce -- He's not as flashy nor as good offensively as T-Mac but does play better defense, but is on a sinking ship right now.

      9. Michael Redd -- He's better than Vince Carter right now, and probably will be in the future. He shoots better, plays better defense, drives more often, and is on a winning team which is just about a miracle.

      10. Stephon Marbury -- I'm still a sceptic about how this will work out in the end for Zeke, but right now he looks like a genius, and so does my fantasy team. :P

      Vince Carter and Kenyon Martin to me are the two most overrated players in the eastern conference, Vince I explained above, and Kenyon learn something new on offense; every shot in the paint is a jump hook going left, and he makes his living off of Kidd, so much that he should actually have to pay him his salary.

      Lamar Odom -- He's on the cusp right now but has to prove this again next year to probably make my list.
      "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

      ----------------- Reggie Miller

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      • #18
        Re: Top 10 players in the east?

        Same topic with a twist.

        if you were putting together a team using eastern conference players, who would you pick.

        Point guard: Kidd
        Shooting guard: toughest position, with this team we would need the best possible shooter. I pick Redd
        Small Forward: Artest
        Power forward: J.O.
        Center: Ben Wallace.

        Kmartin and Pierce coming off the bench.

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        • #19
          Re: Top 10 players in the east?

          Same topic with a twist.

          if you were putting together a team using eastern conference players, who would you pick.

          Point guard: Kidd
          Shooting guard: toughest position, with this team we would need the best possible shooter. I pick Redd
          Small Forward: Artest
          Power forward: J.O.
          Center: Ben Wallace.

          Kmartin and Pierce coming off the bench.


          With this in mind:

          Kidd
          TMAC - easily
          Artest
          JO
          Wallace

          gives you scoring in JO, Kidd, and TMac(plus Artest is no slouch) and gives you three of the best defenders in league as well.

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          • #20
            Re: Top 10 players in the east?

            Vince Carter and Kenyon Martin to me are the two most overrated players in the eastern conference, Vince I explained above, and Kenyon learn something new on offense; every shot in the paint is a jump hook going left, and he makes his living off of Kidd, so much that he should actually have to pay him his salary.
            I can agree with what you said about Vince but KMart has expanded his offense to the point that he deserves his props.

            He's posting 18 points (on 50% shooting), 9 rebounds, 1.5 steals, and 1.3 blocks. He's really coming into his own and he defends Jermaine better than anyone in the league, including Ben Wallace. He's definitely not overrated. As far as his defense, he's really underrated.

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            • #21
              Re: Top 10 players in the east?

              Same topic with a twist.

              if you were putting together a team using eastern conference players, who would you pick.

              Point guard: Kidd
              Shooting guard: toughest position, with this team we would need the best possible shooter. I pick Redd
              Small Forward: Artest
              Power forward: J.O.
              Center: Ben Wallace.

              Kmartin and Pierce coming off the bench.
              As much as I love Artest, with that lineup you would need another explosive scorer (because I'm assuming it would be playing the best team made up of Western players) and would put McGrady at SF and bring Artest off the bench.
              I think I'd have the same concern as btown, but I'd pick a different answer (of course):

              PG - Marberry
              SG - Iverson
              SG - Artest
              PF - Wallace
              C - JO

              Bench: Pierce, T-Mac, K-Mart

              However, I'd be concerned about giving up size at every single position, (assuming the west lineup could resemble GP, Ray Allen, Peja, Duncan, and Shaq.)
              Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
              Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
              Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
              Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
              And life itself, rushing over me
              Life itself, the wind in black elms,
              Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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              • #22
                Re: Top 10 players in the east?

                What Diego said. You have the best perimeter and interior scorers in the conf in JO & T-Mac with Kidd and Artest who can score but are perfectly happy not to if they don't have to - and Kidd, Artest and Big Ben give you some outstanding defenders.

                If I'm going 8 deep I add K-Mart, Marbury & Redd. Don't really have a backup center in mind unfortunately - if you HAD to have one I guess it'd be Magloire though I'd be highly tempted to pick Okur.
                The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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                • #23
                  Re: Top 10 players in the east?

                  Hmmm.... ok I think I would pick this team than:

                  PG - Jason Kidd (brilliant distributor of the ball, makes the players around him WAYYYY better, rebounds great for a PG, shooting is getting better, plays good D)

                  SG - T-Mac (prolific scorer, decent defender and gets enough rebounds for his position while being lengthy AND quick which makes him almost impossible to adequately defend, ALMOST as WE know who can )

                  SF - Artest (the one who can! Perfect defensive match up for most star smallforwards and shootingguards, offensively MORE than adequate too!)

                  PF - JO (best PF AND C in the eastern conference, PF is what he prefers to play though)

                  C - Ben Wallace (can also play PF, but good at C too, INTIMIDATING inside player, together with JO forms a blocking and rebounding machinegun)

                  Bench:

                  SG/PG - Allen Iverson (can fill in, create and score from the SG and also the PG spot, veryyyyyy fast)

                  SG-SF - Paul Pierce (still a great offensive threat that can get you A LOT of three throws when you really want them too! Too bad, for him , his team sucks THIS year)

                  PF - Kenyon Martin (still the 2nd best PF in the east in my humble opinion. JO or Ben can fill the C spot when Kenyon is in)

                  Note: having a difficult time leaving Marbury, Lebron and Odom on the sidelines here. Lebron is great, but I wouldn't yet take him this year, very likely would next year!)

                  Regards,

                  Mourning
                  2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                  2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                  2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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                  • #24
                    Re: Top 10 players in the east?

                    Going from UB's idea:

                    My East team:

                    Kidd
                    Pierce
                    Artest
                    O'Neal
                    Wallace

                    Snow
                    Redd
                    Odom
                    Foster
                    Okur

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                    • #25
                      Re: Top 10 players in the east?

                      Going from UB's idea:

                      My East team:

                      Kidd
                      Pierce
                      Artest
                      O'Neal
                      Wallace

                      Snow
                      Redd
                      Odom
                      Foster
                      Okur

                      Pierce over TMAC. I dont know about that.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Top 10 players in the east?

                        Going from UB's idea:

                        My East team:

                        Kidd
                        Pierce
                        Artest
                        O'Neal
                        Wallace

                        Snow
                        Redd
                        Odom
                        Foster
                        Okur
                        I'd at least have Harrington as backup PF before Foster (or is there another Foster that I've forgotten?)
                        Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                        Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                        Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                        Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                        And life itself, rushing over me
                        Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                        Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                        • #27
                          Re: Top 10 players in the east?

                          Going from UB's idea:

                          My East team:

                          Kidd
                          Pierce
                          Artest
                          O'Neal
                          Wallace

                          Snow
                          Redd
                          Odom
                          Foster
                          Okur

                          Pierce over TMAC. I dont know about that.
                          If I want the ball to go in the bucket, I give it to Paul Pierce. I consider him the over all best scorer. Plus, he plays with heart and acts like he cares wheras McGrady looks like he's falling asleep and isn't as agressive.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Top 10 players in the east?

                            I'd like to add more more twist to the topic:

                            Top five players overall.

                            In my opinion:

                            (1) Duncan
                            (2) Garnett
                            (3) Jermaine
                            (4) Peja
                            (5) Shaq

                            Okay; fire away...
                            Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                            Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                            Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                            Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                            And life itself, rushing over me
                            Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                            Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                            • #29
                              Re: Top 10 players in the east?

                              Going from UB's idea:

                              My East team:

                              Kidd
                              Pierce
                              Artest
                              O'Neal
                              Wallace

                              Snow
                              Redd
                              Odom
                              Foster
                              Okur
                              I'd at least have Harrington as backup PF before Foster (or is there another Foster that I've forgotten?)
                              I'm looking for balance with some more roleplayer-ish bench guys. Snow is a roleplayer, Redd is the explosive scorer, Odom is Mr. Everything, Foster is Mr. Hustle and extra defense, Okur is a bit of everything from the post position. Basically I only want my team to be top heavy with stars. Let the starting 5 be this awesome superstar firepower, but let the bench balance things out more.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Top 10 players in the east?

                                I'd like to add more more twist to the topic:

                                Top five players overall.

                                In my opinion:

                                (1) Duncan
                                (2) Garnett
                                (3) Jermaine
                                (4) Peja
                                (5) Shaq

                                Okay; fire away...
                                1 Garnett
                                2 Duncan
                                3 Shaq (not that I think he's as skilled as some do, but when he's on, he's dominant nonetheless and there's nothing anyone can really do about it)
                                4 JO
                                5 Undecided. Depending on who it is will decide if JO stays at 4 or drops to 5.

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