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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    Going from UB's idea:

    My East team:

    Kidd
    Pierce
    Artest
    O'Neal
    Wallace

    Snow
    Redd
    Odom
    Foster
    Okur
    I'd at least have Harrington as backup PF before Foster (or is there another Foster that I've forgotten?)
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    Going from UB's idea:

    My East team:

    Kidd
    Pierce
    Artest
    O'Neal
    Wallace

    Snow
    Redd
    Odom
    Foster
    Okur

    Pierce over TMAC. I dont know about that.
    If I want the ball to go in the bucket, I give it to Paul Pierce. I consider him the over all best scorer. Plus, he plays with heart and acts like he cares wheras McGrady looks like he's falling asleep and isn't as agressive.

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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    I'd like to add more more twist to the topic:

    Top five players overall.

    In my opinion:

    (1) Duncan
    (2) Garnett
    (3) Jermaine
    (4) Peja
    (5) Shaq

    Okay; fire away...
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    Going from UB's idea:

    My East team:

    Kidd
    Pierce
    Artest
    O'Neal
    Wallace

    Snow
    Redd
    Odom
    Foster
    Okur
    I'd at least have Harrington as backup PF before Foster (or is there another Foster that I've forgotten?)
    I'm looking for balance with some more roleplayer-ish bench guys. Snow is a roleplayer, Redd is the explosive scorer, Odom is Mr. Everything, Foster is Mr. Hustle and extra defense, Okur is a bit of everything from the post position. Basically I only want my team to be top heavy with stars. Let the starting 5 be this awesome superstar firepower, but let the bench balance things out more.

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    I'd like to add more more twist to the topic:

    Top five players overall.

    In my opinion:

    (1) Duncan
    (2) Garnett
    (3) Jermaine
    (4) Peja
    (5) Shaq

    Okay; fire away...
    1 Garnett
    2 Duncan
    3 Shaq (not that I think he's as skilled as some do, but when he's on, he's dominant nonetheless and there's nothing anyone can really do about it)
    4 JO
    5 Undecided. Depending on who it is will decide if JO stays at 4 or drops to 5.

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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    I'd like to add more more twist to the topic:

    Top five players overall.

    In my opinion:

    (1) Duncan
    (2) Garnett
    (3) Jermaine
    ([size=24:84962b4a43]4) Peja[/size]
    (5) Shaq

    Okay; fire away...

    No way, I can't believe Peja a top 5 player. I would not put him in the top 10. Defense is suspect, he benefits greatly by being on a Kings team and th system they run

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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    I'd like to add more more twist to the topic:

    Top five players overall.

    In my opinion:

    (1) Duncan
    (2) Garnett
    (3) Jermaine
    (4) Peja
    (5) Shaq

    Okay; fire away...
    I'd take that line-up, though it is rather post heavy and might need a player like McGrady to balance it out instead of [size=9:a52e5d0757]Jermaine.[/size]
    Yeah, it is post heavy. But I don't think he meant it as a staring lineup. Just the top 5 period.

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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    I'd like to add more more twist to the topic:

    Top five players overall.

    In my opinion:

    (1) Duncan
    (2) Garnett
    (3) Jermaine
    (4) Peja
    (5) Shaq

    Okay; fire away...
    I'd take that line-up, though it is rather post heavy and might need a player like McGrady to balance it out instead of [size=9:4fcdc1cc4e]Jermaine.[/size]
    Yeah, it is post heavy. But I don't think he meant it as a staring lineup. Just the top 5 period.
    Yeah, that's two Cs, two PFs and a SF. Not meant to be a balanced team.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
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    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    Going from UB's idea:

    My East team:

    Kidd
    Pierce
    Artest
    O'Neal
    Wallace

    Snow
    Redd
    Odom
    Foster
    Okur
    I'd at least have Harrington as backup PF before Foster (or is there another Foster that I've forgotten?)
    I'm looking for balance with some more roleplayer-ish bench guys. Snow is a roleplayer, Redd is the explosive scorer, Odom is Mr. Everything, Foster is Mr. Hustle and extra defense, Okur is a bit of everything from the post position. Basically I only want my team to be top heavy with stars. Let the starting 5 be this awesome superstar firepower, but let the bench balance things out more.
    I just don't think I've ever seen anyone post such a lineup, but the role player idea is an interesting perspective on this topic.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    1/2 McGrady and Kidd
    3/4 Artest and O'neal
    5 Wallace
    6 AI
    7 Marbury
    8 Pierce

    scrubs (mainly guys who have only been playing really well for a season of two):
    Baron, K Mart, Donyell Marshall (the most underrated player in the NBA this season?), Redd and Odom

    How the heck can people justify leaving McGrady and Kidd out of their top three?

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    How can Peja be on that list. I'd take any one of the Mavericks best five. (nowitzki, walker, jamison, nash, finley)

    My all-league starting five
    JO
    Nowitzki
    Cassell
    McGrady
    Artest (need a good 2 defender)

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    Interesingly, I was debating between Dirk (whom I would have ranked #6 if my list went any deeper) and Peja and trying to get a feel for the love/ hate around here of Peja.

    Among other things, he:
    Ranks #3 in the NBA in Points Per Game(25.3)
    Ranks #7 in the NBA in Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage(0.428)
    Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free-Throw Percentage(0.929)
    Ranks #1 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Made(139.0)
    Ranks #3 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goal Attempts(325.0)
    Ranks #8 in the NBA in Free Throws(249.0)

    He's also averaging 6 rebs. and one steal per game and shooting 48% overall from the floor.

    So far this season, he's been the MVP (sorry Brad Miller lovers) of the team with the second best record in the league.

    I knew UB would chew up his defense. But I think its a sign of his greatness that he puts up these types of numbers within the context of a winning team. Peja at 25 and 6, or Dirk at 20 and 8 and four games back? I think, right now, he's about the fourth best player in the NBA.

    I know Ron was kicked out of our game in Sacramento, and Brad had a big game, but Peja quietly dropped 27 - including 11 in the fourth quarter on us while shooting 50% and picking up five boards.

    Although no one has said this yet, I think its a fine counterpoint that Dirk's production has dropped because the Mavs have added a couple more scorers. If Dirk were traded for Duncan, I might be ranking Dirk #1 and Duncan #6. Also, my ranking of Peja may drop when Webber returns.

    Again, fire away...
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    My top 10 in the East.

    1. JO
    2. Kidd
    3. Iverson
    4. Pierce
    5. McGrady
    6. Ben
    7. Marbury
    8. Artest
    9. Redd
    10. Lebron or Billups


    Top 5 in the league
    -------------------
    1. Duncan
    2. KG
    3. JO
    4. Shaq
    5. Kobe

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    I'd like to add more more twist to the topic:

    Top five players overall.

    In my opinion:

    (1) Duncan
    (2) Garnett
    (3) Jermaine
    (4) Peja
    (5) Shaq

    Okay; fire away...
    I agree with 4 of the 5 But no way would I put Peja ahead of Kobe. Hes had a bad year with injuries, legal problems etc.,, but IMO hes a way better player then Peja if I'm in a playoff game with 5 minutes left and a tie score I'll take Kobe any day of the week over Peja. IMO when healthy Kobe is a much better player then Peja even though I don't like Kobe.

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    ...But no way would I put Peja ahead of Kobe. Hes had a bad year with injuries, legal problems etc.,, but IMO hes a way better player then Peja if I'm in a playoff game with 5 minutes left and a tie score I'll take Kobe any day of the week over Peja. IMO when healthy Kobe is a much better player then Peja even though I don't like Kobe.
    Can't argue with that statement. I was either (1) rewarding Peja for his fine performance so far this season, or (2) penalizing Kobe for not playing as well this season because of all the reasons you mentioned. When he gets healthy and if he's exonerated, it would be silly to list Peja ahead of him.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    Larry Bird
    Kevin McHale
    Robert Parish
    Isiah Thomas
    Michael Jordan
    Dominique Wilkins
    Charles Barkley
    Patrick Ewing
    Reggie Miller
    Bernard King

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    Yeh Jay, I was probably penalizing Kobe as well on my list for the same reasons. I had him below JO and KG and thats not right considering his playoff accomplishments and his age and ability especially his clutch play in the playoffs in the last 5 minutes of playoff games hes incredible. Also I agree Peja has been terrific this year.

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    East's Top 10

    JO
    Kidd
    T-mac
    Pierce
    AI

    Those are player's who I believe could have a team built around them and be of playoff caliber this year. (I know T-mac and Orlando aren't playoff material but I don't understand how they aren't competive and choose to ignore facts) AI may be slipping from this list.

    The next group would be:

    Odom
    Artest
    Marbury
    Wallace
    James

    Niether over these lists are really ranked and I feel bad omitting a couple players but that's how the game is played.

    East starters
    JO
    Wallace
    Odom
    T-mac
    Kidd

    I don't think these are the 5 best players in the east its just the line up I'd use. I feel a little bad about leaving out Pierce but again that's the way the game is played. I am pretty much forced to go with JO and Wallace at the PF and C spots do to a lack of depth.

    top 5
    Duncan
    Shaq
    Garnett

    After that I'd put JO and Kobe although I could be persuaded one with Kidd, T-Mac but definately not Peja.
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    This is what I came up with for top 10 in the east.

    Jermain O'Neal
    Jason Kidd
    Tracy McGrady
    Allen Iverson
    Paul Pierce
    Ron Artest
    Vince Carter
    Carlos Boozer
    Ben Wallace
    Stephon Marbury

    As far as the league goes.........

    KG
    Duncan
    Shaq
    JO
    Kobe

    I've flip flopped about half of each list over the past 10 minutes so much so that it's starting to not make any sence to me at all.

    KG & Duncan at 1 & 1a, after that, who knows?




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    Hey, I had Wallace @ # 4. Is that good enough?

    I would be willing to think that T-Mac & him could be inverted but it would take some time.

    Right now though I just don't think there is anybody playing better in the east than Marburry. I put J.O. at # 1, but that is because he has been the best all season long, but at this point in time nobody is having a bigger impact than Stephon. Oh, btw, I hate Marburry & alway have but I have to give credit where credit is due.

    Anyway, I'm a lifelong Pacers fan, but I love Ben Wallace.


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    gcburns after reading your post I realized that I made a mistake by excluding Wallace. I am taking of B. Davis and putting up Wallace.

    I will even agree that Ben deserves to be rated ahead of Artest although I think you were a little harsh on Ron.

    I'm not sure I'd agree that Ben has had the biggest effect on the defensive end in the last 15 years. I'd list the Dream, Robinson, Mutombo, some years Shaq, and maybe even Rodman ahead of Ben in that regard.

    But again thank you for your input and keeping us honest.
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    Hey, I had Wallace @ # 4. Is that good enough?
    Nope. I had him at #2 way up there at the top of the thread. :P


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    I saw this statistical analysis of NBA players and thought it made some sense and certainly strive to be quantitative and avoids passing judgement upon the style or attitude of the player.

    In essence, it adds up all of the statistical parameters, weights them "appropriately", and then compares that players' production to a "typical" player.

    top 8 in the East: McGrady, Abdur-Rahim, Marbury, Jermaine, Kidd, Pierce, Baron Davis, and (oddly) Donyell Marshall.

    Anyway, here is the link (scroll down a bit) and the top 20.


    http://www.aarongleeman.com/2004_02_...g_archive.html

    Player Team WinsAR
    Kevin Garnett MIN 12.3
    Tim Duncan SAN 10.3
    Tracy McGrady ORL 9.8
    Sam Cassell MIN 8.3
    Peja Stojakovic SAC 8.2
    Andrei Kirilenko UTA 7.8
    Shareef Abdur-Rahim ATL 7.6
    Elton Brand LAC 7.5
    Stephon Marbury NYK 7.1
    Jermaine O'Neal IND 7.1
    Jason Kidd NJN 7.0
    Zach Randolph POR 6.8
    Yao Ming HOU 6.7
    Shawn Marion PHO 6.7
    Paul Pierce BOS 6.6
    Dirk Nowitzki DAL 6.5
    Baron Davis NOR 6.4
    Andre Miller DEN 6.4
    Donyell Marshall TOR 6.3
    Pau Gasol MEM 6.2
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    and i hate to rain on everyones parade... and considering the pacers success this year - i can understand the pride in our players... but it is still just the regular season... i just think you guys highly overrate jermaine oneal...
    Then don't start talking about Kevin Garnett because he hasn't taken his team anywhere in the playoffs either. Fair is fair.

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    Yes, or T-Mac for that matter. I think Iverson is good, but not THAT good and the same thing for Pierce. Just my personal view, offcourse.

    Btw these were my eastern top-10:

    1) Jason Kidd
    2) JO
    3) T-Mac
    4) Iverson
    5) Marbury
    6) Pierce
    7) Baron Davis
    8) Lamar Odom
    9) Ron Artest/Ben Wallace (cant make up my mind! )
    10) Lebron james
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