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    Jay, wants to know who we think are the top 5 and top 10 players in the east.

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    Here is my list as of 2/9/04. J.O is in my mind the best player in the east, not too sure about the rest of the ordr I have put these in


    1) Jermaine O'Neal
    2) Jason Kidd
    3) Iverson
    4) McGrady
    5) Pierce
    6) Artest
    7) Lebron
    8) Lamar Odom
    9) Baron Davis - His shot selction is so bad
    10) Michael Redd


    left off my top ten but deserves mention, Mashburn, Billups, Rip Hamilton, K. Martin, Ben Wallace, Marbury.

    Ask me tomorrow and the order would be different, but to get the discussion started, this is good enough

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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    Thanks for starting it...

    I know I'd rate JO as #1.

    My first inclination is to say that AI, Kidd, and McGrady should be #2 thru #4. I don't care what order. But AI has been hurt and his team has struggled. Kidd's team has struggled until recently and I haven't seen them play since the coaching change. And I think the Magic might be better if McGrady shot/ scored less.

    So I'll rank Ben Wallace #2.

    I'll give #3 to Pierce. He's in the exact opposite postion (in my opinion) of McGrady - the Celts might need him to play a little more selfishly.

    #4 AI
    #5 Kidd
    #6 McGrady

    #'s seven through ten: This is a toss-up, but I think the four players I put in this bucket are Artest, Odom, Billups and Martin.

    Like UB, my opinion of #'s 2 - 10 on this list will probably be different tomorrow.
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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    Ok, my ranking as of now:

    1) Jason Kidd
    2) JO
    3) T-Mac
    4) Iverson
    5) Marbury
    6) Pierce
    7) Baron Davis
    8) Lamar Odom
    9) Ron Artest/Ben Wallace (cant make up my mind! )
    10) Lebron james

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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    Do you pick the 10 best players right now, or the 10 who have been the best the past year or so, or potential. Makes it tough that some are coming off injuries. But I think most of us agree on most of the players

    When choosing between Artest and Ben Wallace, here is how I look at it.

    Defensively: they are different but equal.

    Rebounding: Ben has the advantage without question

    Offensively: Ron has the advantage. Ron is often the pacers go to guy. Ben is never the go to guy. Ron has a huge effect on the game offensively.


    What that in mind I think Artest is better

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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    Players I think NOW are the best.

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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    Offcourse, Wallace is much less "dominant" offensively ( ed: ) than Artest, but I still think defensively he makes a little more of a difference. Artest is probably the best defender in the league, but I think Wallace is probably the best intimidator in the league (with Artest not too far behind). Artest has usually got to guard the main perimeter/guard threat, however Wallace has to step in at about everyone just coming close to the basket, most teams take more shots from inside and then relatively close to the bucket (with higher % of hitting) than from the outside. And what Wallace does with his presence, blocks, elbows, rebounds, etc he has to do (I think) on more potential threats/shots from the other side (the opponent).
    Anyway, it's real close in my opinion and my judgement may very from game to game, I thought Artest played brilliant against the Raptors last friday, but was pretty bad last night against the Heat.

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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    1. Jermaine O'Neal
    2. Stephon Marburry (hard to argue with the production & success)
    3. Tracy McGrady
    4. Ben Wallace
    5. Jason Kidd
    6. Ron Artest
    7. Paul Pierce
    8. Carlos Boozer
    9. LeBron James
    10. Lamar Odom

    Notice I left off A.I. & Vince Carter


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    I'm going to assume that these numbers are as of this moment in time. When you start throwing the "P" word around I think Lebron floats to the top pf the list fairly quickly (BTW - my "this moment in time" means within the last year).

    1. Kidd
    2. JO (not gonna rate him above Kidd until the Pacers go deeper in the playoffs)
    3. T-Mac
    4. Iverson
    5. Pierce
    6. Wallace
    7. LeBron
    8. Marbury (maybe some homerism but with the way he's turned us around ...)
    9. Artest
    10. Redd

    I don't particularly care for Baron Davis just because he's never been able to maintain his consistency over an entire season. K-Mart's the other obvious person I've left off. Other honorable mentions: Hamilton, Mashburn, Abdur-Rahim, Carter, Odom.
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    Notice I left off A.I. & Vince Carter
    Every single one of us has left off Vince. I'd quibble with omitting AI, at least unless Pierce is also omitted.

    They are both streaky shoot-all-the-time one-on-one performers, but I'd have them both at the bottom half of my top 10:

    1) JO
    2) Kidd
    3) McGrady
    4) LeBron
    5) Wallace
    6) Iverson
    7) Artest
    8) Marbury
    9) Pierce
    10) Odom - though this is more heaily based upon THIS SEASON and he obviously has personal demons to conquer.

    Redd, Billups, Boozer, Baron Davis, Jerry Stackhouse, Vince, Magliore, Martin, Abdur-Rahim, and Rip Hamilton make up my second 10.
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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    In no particular order:

    Julius Irving
    Roger Brown
    Mel Daniels
    Dan Issel
    George McGinnis
    Artis gilmore
    Connie Hawkins
    Billy Cunningham
    Louie Dampier
    Bob Netolicky
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    ABA- add Rick Barry and delete Louie Dampier.

    Two #$##%& Kentucky Colonels, Gilmore and Issel, are quite enough.



    And maybe Zelmo Beatty needs some props!

    I must sound older than dirt. If only the old Colonels-Pacers rivalry could have continued in the NBA.
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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    My top 10:

    1. Jason Kidd
    2. Jermaine O'Neal
    3. McGrady
    4. Iverson
    5. Pierce
    6. Artest
    7. Wallace
    8. Marbury
    9. Hamilton
    10. K. Martin

    I think you have to squeeze KMart in the top ten because the level he's at reminds me of JO two seasons ago. Rip Hamilton deserves props as well and it's a shame he isn't an all-star. He's such an efficient and clutch player that he gets my nod over guys like Baron Davis, Vince, and Micheal Redd (as much as I love watching each of those players).
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    I am surprised by some of the names i have see on here: I am basing my list on at least the past couple years, becuase IMO when you talk BEST players, you have to take in account consistency.

    1. JO - when you combine scoring, rebounding, blocked shots, defense, etc...its hard to argue with this

    2. TMAC - the guy can light it up from anywhere, is unselfish, and is a pretty good defender

    3. Kidd - great leader, vision, and has become a potent offensive weapon

    4. AI - -the guy is still unbeliveable. yes he shoots a lto, but look at his team, he has to. Still IMO is the best creator in the east

    5. Artest - again combining offense, defensem leadership...he does it all

    6. Marbury - can create, has good range, and can score at will...defense a little suspect though

    7. Paul Pierce - still a great offensive weapon, can score in post or from deep or from mid range, if he would play solid defense he could be top 5

    8. Ben Wallace - may not be a huge offensive threat, but is still a great rebounder and defender and intimidator, if he had an offensive game, he would be much higher

    9. Baron Davis - great vision, can shoot it from anywhere, solid defender, needs to get away from playground mistakes

    10. Lebron - even though he is a rookie, there is no doubting he is one of top 10 in east....in 1 or 2 more years he will probably be top 5 easy.


    I dont mean to sound harsh here, but putting Odom, Redd, etc...on this list is premature. Odom still needs to prove it over time, and Redd is very close, but not yet. I know people may be thinking just this year, but i dont think you can evaluate the best by a half a season.

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    ABA- add Rick Barry and delete Louie Dampier.

    Two #$##%& Kentucky Colonels, Gilmore and Issel, are quite enough.



    And maybe Zelmo Beatty needs some props!

    I must sound older than dirt. If only the old Colonels-Pacers rivalry could have continued in the NBA.
    I forgot Barry played in the East. Beatty did play in the West though.

    I agree - wish they had come in with us.

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    Zelmo-- yeah, Utah isn't exactly East.
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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    In no particular order:

    Julius Irving
    Roger Brown
    Mel Daniels
    Dan Issel
    George McGinnis
    Artis gilmore
    Connie Hawkins
    Billy Cunningham
    Louie Dampier
    Bob Netolicky


    You know, I might take that lineup over the ones we've listed above. That first five is awfully d@#n good.
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    1. Jermaine -- Every other player on this list practically would be traded to get Jermaine, besides the popular ones, Lebron, AI.

    2. Ben Wallace -- He is the face of the Pistons, and without him wouldn't be where they are or have been.

    3. Jason Kidd -- He sees everything on the floor and is the best Nets player on both ends of the floor.

    4. Lebron James -- He's just about at this position right now, as now he's leading his team to more and more victories, but look out JO, Wallace, and Kidd in the next couple years.

    5. Tracy McGrady -- The people around him have failed him this year, but he's the best scoring 2/3 in the east.

    6. Allen Iverson -- The guy has been shooting a little bit better, and always brings the energy and sheer will every night.

    7. Ron Artest -- What he does on both ends is unmatched in the NBA, but as long as he's in Indy, he's the 2nd star.

    8. Paul Pierce -- He's not as flashy nor as good offensively as T-Mac but does play better defense, but is on a sinking ship right now.

    9. Michael Redd -- He's better than Vince Carter right now, and probably will be in the future. He shoots better, plays better defense, drives more often, and is on a winning team which is just about a miracle.

    10. Stephon Marbury -- I'm still a sceptic about how this will work out in the end for Zeke, but right now he looks like a genius, and so does my fantasy team. :P

    Vince Carter and Kenyon Martin to me are the two most overrated players in the eastern conference, Vince I explained above, and Kenyon learn something new on offense; every shot in the paint is a jump hook going left, and he makes his living off of Kidd, so much that he should actually have to pay him his salary.

    Lamar Odom -- He's on the cusp right now but has to prove this again next year to probably make my list.
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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    Same topic with a twist.

    if you were putting together a team using eastern conference players, who would you pick.

    Point guard: Kidd
    Shooting guard: toughest position, with this team we would need the best possible shooter. I pick Redd
    Small Forward: Artest
    Power forward: J.O.
    Center: Ben Wallace.

    Kmartin and Pierce coming off the bench.

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    Same topic with a twist.

    if you were putting together a team using eastern conference players, who would you pick.

    Point guard: Kidd
    Shooting guard: toughest position, with this team we would need the best possible shooter. I pick Redd
    Small Forward: Artest
    Power forward: J.O.
    Center: Ben Wallace.

    Kmartin and Pierce coming off the bench.


    With this in mind:

    Kidd
    TMAC - easily
    Artest
    JO
    Wallace

    gives you scoring in JO, Kidd, and TMac(plus Artest is no slouch) and gives you three of the best defenders in league as well.

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    Vince Carter and Kenyon Martin to me are the two most overrated players in the eastern conference, Vince I explained above, and Kenyon learn something new on offense; every shot in the paint is a jump hook going left, and he makes his living off of Kidd, so much that he should actually have to pay him his salary.
    I can agree with what you said about Vince but KMart has expanded his offense to the point that he deserves his props.

    He's posting 18 points (on 50% shooting), 9 rebounds, 1.5 steals, and 1.3 blocks. He's really coming into his own and he defends Jermaine better than anyone in the league, including Ben Wallace. He's definitely not overrated. As far as his defense, he's really underrated.
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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    Same topic with a twist.

    if you were putting together a team using eastern conference players, who would you pick.

    Point guard: Kidd
    Shooting guard: toughest position, with this team we would need the best possible shooter. I pick Redd
    Small Forward: Artest
    Power forward: J.O.
    Center: Ben Wallace.

    Kmartin and Pierce coming off the bench.
    As much as I love Artest, with that lineup you would need another explosive scorer (because I'm assuming it would be playing the best team made up of Western players) and would put McGrady at SF and bring Artest off the bench.
    I think I'd have the same concern as btown, but I'd pick a different answer (of course):

    PG - Marberry
    SG - Iverson
    SG - Artest
    PF - Wallace
    C - JO

    Bench: Pierce, T-Mac, K-Mart

    However, I'd be concerned about giving up size at every single position, (assuming the west lineup could resemble GP, Ray Allen, Peja, Duncan, and Shaq.)
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    What Diego said. You have the best perimeter and interior scorers in the conf in JO & T-Mac with Kidd and Artest who can score but are perfectly happy not to if they don't have to - and Kidd, Artest and Big Ben give you some outstanding defenders.

    If I'm going 8 deep I add K-Mart, Marbury & Redd. Don't really have a backup center in mind unfortunately - if you HAD to have one I guess it'd be Magloire though I'd be highly tempted to pick Okur.
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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    Hmmm.... ok I think I would pick this team than:

    PG - Jason Kidd (brilliant distributor of the ball, makes the players around him WAYYYY better, rebounds great for a PG, shooting is getting better, plays good D)

    SG - T-Mac (prolific scorer, decent defender and gets enough rebounds for his position while being lengthy AND quick which makes him almost impossible to adequately defend, ALMOST as WE know who can )

    SF - Artest (the one who can! Perfect defensive match up for most star smallforwards and shootingguards, offensively MORE than adequate too!)

    PF - JO (best PF AND C in the eastern conference, PF is what he prefers to play though)

    C - Ben Wallace (can also play PF, but good at C too, INTIMIDATING inside player, together with JO forms a blocking and rebounding machinegun)

    Bench:

    SG/PG - Allen Iverson (can fill in, create and score from the SG and also the PG spot, veryyyyyy fast)

    SG-SF - Paul Pierce (still a great offensive threat that can get you A LOT of three throws when you really want them too! Too bad, for him , his team sucks THIS year)

    PF - Kenyon Martin (still the 2nd best PF in the east in my humble opinion. JO or Ben can fill the C spot when Kenyon is in)

    Note: having a difficult time leaving Marbury, Lebron and Odom on the sidelines here. Lebron is great, but I wouldn't yet take him this year, very likely would next year!)

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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    Going from UB's idea:

    My East team:

    Kidd
    Pierce
    Artest
    O'Neal
    Wallace

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    Odom
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    Default Re: Top 10 players in the east?

    Going from UB's idea:

    My East team:

    Kidd
    Pierce
    Artest
    O'Neal
    Wallace

    Snow
    Redd
    Odom
    Foster
    Okur

    Pierce over TMAC. I dont know about that.

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