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Indycar 2011- Lots to contemplate

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  • #76
    Re: Indycar 2011- Lots to contemplate

    He's being given one of those jobs where he'll be in charge of basically nothing and have no real responsibilities. Hmmmm. Logistics. Wanna bet he finds a way to jack around with transporter parking? If he has any pride (HAAAAAAAAAAAA) he'll quit. Also an excellent article about the troubles with the DW12. Remember what I said about theoretical engineers?
    Last edited by DaveP63; 11-30-2011, 05:36 PM. Reason: And now with more spew!!!
    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
    "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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    • #77
      Re: Indycar 2011- Lots to contemplate

      www.indystar.com


      Terry Angstadt was replaced as IndyCar's president of the commercial division and Brian Barnhart no longer will officiate races as part of changes to IndyCar's management team confirmed Wednesday.

      Angstadt, who joined IndyCar in 2007, will be replaced by Marc Koretzky, a staff member since May. Koretzky has been IndyCar's director of corporate business development.

      Angstadt led the signings of Izod and Apex Brazil and IndyCar's international expansion to Brazil and China. He will remain with the organization through the transition, an IndyCar spokesman said.

      "I don't have one hard feeling in my body," Angstadt said. "It was a fantastic experience."

      Koretzky came to IndyCar from the 360 Sports Academy, an Atlanta-based company that helps collegiate athletes become better leaders. Koretzky, a University of Georgia alumnus, is a former consultant to Charlotte Motor Speedway, the NFL and the NCAA men's and women's basketball Final Four.

      Barnhart will remain IndyCar's president of racing operations, but a new layer of management will oversee races.

      Barnhart's role as chief steward came under fire this past season with decisions to restart the race at New Hampshire Motor Speedway in August during wet conditions and to start the inaugural Baltimore Grand Prix with a safety truck on the track.

      Barnhart, who is recovering from wrist surgery, was not available for comment. He joined IndyCar in 1997 as director of racing operations.

      IndyCar has not named a new chief steward.
      http://www.indystar.com/article/2011...-Barnhart-side
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

      ------

      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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      • #78
        Re: Indycar 2011- Lots to contemplate

        From good news to not so good news:

        Newman Haas is closing up shop.

        http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...r-newman-haas/

        I think Hinch may end up at Andretti, and SFR should try and get Servia. That guy can flatout drive.
        "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

        "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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        • #79
          Re: Indycar 2011- Lots to contemplate

          Hinch would be a great get for anyone. He can drive and he's a PR person's wet dream.
          http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
          "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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          • #80
            Re: Indycar 2011- Lots to contemplate

            Originally posted by DaveP63 View Post
            Looks like SFR is going to run two cars next year, looks like full funding is possible. Drivers TBD!!!
            First driver announced......

            NEWGARDEN!

            Great pickup for SFR.
            "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

            "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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            • #81
              Re: Indycar 2011- Lots to contemplate

              He's going to be very good. We tested him at VIR for FBMW. I found him very polite and not a whiner. Dad is cool, too. Full disclosure, the test mule that he ran was thrown together at the last minute and never, as long as we had it, made it through an entire weekend without issue. I referred to it ever after as the mechanical a hole. Anyway, he was pretty unremarkable and didn't really press the car very hard so we passed on him. I'm pretty sure that most of that was the car's fault...
              http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
              "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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              • #82
                Re: Indycar 2011- Lots to contemplate

                Just announced: Vegas is cancelled for next year.
                "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                • #83
                  Re: Indycar 2011- Lots to contemplate

                  I'm not surprised it's off the schedule but I am surprised it's off the schedule at this point. I either would've expected a knee jerk reaction and it removed from the schedule soon after this year's tragedy or else Indycar not make an official announcement until the complete 2012 schedule is released and give themselves plenty of time, or at least the appearance they tried to find a way to keep it on the schedule if at all possible. That way Bruton couldn't say they never gave the race a chance or tried to find a solution to honor their contract.
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                  ------

                  "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                  -John Wooden

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                  • #84
                    Re: Indycar 2011- Lots to contemplate

                    So much for the engineers will find a way to make it work on the cookie cutters.
                    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                    "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                    • #85
                      Re: Indycar 2011- Lots to contemplate

                      Originally posted by DaveP63 View Post
                      So much for the engineers will find a way to make it work on the cookie cutters.
                      Maybe they could if the car was working as advertised to begin with....


                      ...Not that I really think the engineers could anyway.... Those high banks will always be problematic for keeping the cars from wanting to step out.... even if the cars had no downforce. Then factor in the cars DO have quite a bit of downforce, matching chassis, and engines that might not be all that dissimilar performance-wise if the driver doesn't have to lift....

                      Heh... But what do I know. I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night... but I did make the Robin Miller Mailbag this week
                      Last edited by Bball; 12-09-2011, 08:11 PM.
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                      ------

                      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                      -John Wooden

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                      • #86
                        Re: Indycar 2011- Lots to contemplate

                        Indycar is going to have to do something with its schedule. We know Vegas is out and Texas is still being decided (supposedly). Baltimore could be out too. AFAIK Indycar is contractually bound to run a minimum of 16 races for Izod (title sponsor). I'm not sure what the penalty is for running fewer... It could be anything from a dollar penalty to a complete voiding of the contract.

                        I think Indycar could make a go of it at Milwaukee IF they took over the promotion and/or farmed it out to someone with Indycar assuming the risk. AND run it as the followup to the Indy 500 as it traditionally always was. Perfect tie in and with the
                        month of May and 500 as a lead in and built in race awareness for it. ...Probably get a lot of people in the general area who the 500 storylines would put them in the mood to go to the next race if it's within driving distance. And Milwaukee fits that bill. Shoot, promote the heck out of it at the 500. Offer ticket deals.
                        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                        ------

                        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                        -John Wooden

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                        • #87
                          Re: Indycar 2011- Lots to contemplate

                          Wheldon Crash Report Explored

                          http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...eport-explored

                          Very interesting reading, if long...
                          Last edited by DaveP63; 12-17-2011, 08:26 AM.
                          http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                          "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                          • #88
                            Re: Indycar 2011- Lots to contemplate

                            http://www.indystar.com/article/2011...don-Vegas-race

                            Dan Wheldon's death: A 'perfect storm' of rare events
                            Driver's head struck a post supporting a catch fence
                            Barnhart and IndyCar CEO Randy Bernard stressed the promotion that brought Wheldon to the event and the sport’s largest field since 1997 — 34 cars — had nothing to do with the fatality. Nor did the banking of the track.

                            But it was other things such as the high grip level, the variable lines of racing that made driving relatively easy and the rare track blockage that Wheldon encountered.

                            “It was nearly unlimited movement on the track surface without restraint to racing lines,” Barnhart said. “There’s always been a limit. You couldn’t use the entire track.”

                            He called it “a variable that has not been seen” elsewhere.
                            Wh Wh Wh What???? That's what high banking does... How can they say the high banks weren't an issue? If he wants to say it wasn't the high banking that killed Wheldon but instead a post then that's one thing (and playing semantics) but to act like the high banking has nothing to do with the 'variable racing lines', the 'pack racing', or that it isn't anything they've seen before... well...

                            Also, again, you could say since the accident 'only' involved 14 or so cars out of the 34 cars that started the race so starting 34 cars wasn't a factor might be true... if you're parsing words. But knowing you are going to have pack racing all that really matters is where the accident starts. If it starts at P3 then there's 32 cars that will potentially be involved in the 'big one' in Indycar pack racing. The higher speeds, propensity to get airborne, etc is a variable that makes it different than Nascar's restrictor plate racing.

                            By the same token, if you have 24 cars running and the car running P21 has an issue then you potentially only have 4 cars involved with a pack racing accident.

                            If you have separation then a wreck at P3 isn't going to take out 2/3rds of the field but without separation that's a real problem. And at the root of it has to be the high banking combined with the spec car design that has been (marring IMO) Indycar racing for sometime. Are they seriously ignoring that connection?

                            The only takeaway from the number of competitors is the more cars running in a pack the more cars that can be potentially involved in a big wreck where 1 or 2 people's mistake impacts everyone behind them.

                            Coming from TGBB, the man that wants a strung out start for the Indy 500.... It's kind of hard to believe he could think starting 33 cars on a 2.5mi flat oval needs separation but running the same type of speeds in general, in a pack, with the full field, lap after lap, on a 1.5mi high banked oval is OK.

                            Yes it was a perfect storm... A perfect storm of pack racing with mature spec cars that everyone had figured out, on a high banked oval, and not being able to dodge the Russian roulette bullet that they'd dodged too many times already. ...and apparently decided to ignore. If the report is to be taken seriously then it doesn't sound like they've truly yet learned the lesson they need to learn....
                            Last edited by Bball; 12-17-2011, 10:24 PM.
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                            ------

                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                            • #89
                              Re: Indycar 2011- Lots to contemplate

                              http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...es-at-sebring/
                              The topic of adding more power, as Griffiths reveals, has died down rather heavily within the series and the IndyCar Engine Committee, which should help to cement the boost and RPM levels teams will use once they begin testing next month.

                              “There hasn’t been any more talk of needing more power,” he said. “I had quite a long chat with one of my counterparts at GM, and we kind of concluded that to us, if we’re racing at Indy at 215 mph rather than 225, it really doesn’t matter as long as the racing is good. If the racing is poor, and we’re slow, then that’s obviously a problem. But if it takes us three years to get back up to 225, so what? At the end of the day, it’s a number.

                              “If the car is difficult to drive, that’s good. That means the good drivers will do well and the drivers that aren’t as good won’t do as well. If [the DW12] is right at its performance limit to start, what are we going to do with it for the next five years? We’d be starting off right where we just ended up with the previous car.”
                              I might be convinced to agree if we're talking racing... But qualifying speeds need to show some type of technological advancement. You can't have the new car going slower than the old car, which was already slower than what a 20 year old Indycar could do if put on the track. Maybe this stuff doesn't matter at Texas, or some street course, but IMHO it matters at Indy.

                              Qualifying speeds and practice speeds will capture the public's (and media's) attention. In the race, those speeds might not matter as much to the public or media since the q number is already out there and the racing is what is important at that point. In fact, many of the fans tuning in or showing up will have been hooked by the q speed hype and IMO have no idea the race speeds are 10-15MPH off the qualifying speeds. I could be wrong about that but I doubt it.

                              What I don't think I'm wrong at all about is saying qualifying speeds cannot afford to be going backwards. Not now.

                              If this new car comes out looking ugly like it is and going dog slow in May then Indycar is going to have lost its chance at leaving the perception of dumbed down racing in the rear view mirror. Instead, they are going to solidify that reputation. The only national or international press they'll get will be the wrong kind of press. Like questions about how after having one car for 7 years the new model is slower, not faster. And asking how many years we'll be seeing this current slow car.

                              If the new cars were butt-ugly but fast, racy, beasts then few would think a thing about the looks. But butt-ugly and slow (contextually speaking), and 33 matching body styles, is not going to put Indycar where it needs to be PR wise. And in such a fragile state as it currently is, that's not going to be easy to recover from. Even if you had multiple type cars and it turned out the ugliest, weirdest looking chassis was the fastest it would be seen as cool and interesting. But a car universally seen as ugly (IE, not sleek and racy looking) running 1986 speeds is not taking things in the proper technical direction for the sport. It's not going to make Indycar look like it's a technical leader in anything as far as the technology of speed and automobile innovation goes.

                              Sure, safety has to be a factor but then so does the sport of OW racing itself.

                              If the 1986 car would have a shot at the 2012 Indy 500 pole then there's a huge problem. The pole speed was 216.828 in 1986.

                              But since they are talking about racing... If the racing is so important to them (and it should be) lobby officials to put the apron back on the track.
                              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                              -John Wooden

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                              • #90
                                Re: Indycar 2011- Lots to contemplate

                                That article highlights why TGBB had to go. He's full of shite.
                                http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                                "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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