3 scenarios for the draft, starting with my favorite first:
1. Pacers trade up for Justice Winslow
2. Take WCS or Stanley Johnson (this is the theory of a player falling); Make trades (Hibbert/West/others) for additional picks - George Lucas and Rakeem Christmas are players I'd love to have with a late first/early 2nd round
3. Trey Lyles
I'm sure my opinion will change many times before the draft though.
And you don't see something wrong with that one player being out and the team collapsing as a result?
Seriously? This team had a ton of injuries last year(but still had Manning) and we managed to win a division and almost won our playoff game if not for the ineptitude of Caldwell and ST (wow this is a familiar theme)
I just don't get you people that think its okay that this team lives and obviously dies by Manning did they not think this day would come? What was their Plan B? They clearly did not have one and have nobody to blame but themselves for this.
I mean even the Pats as much as I loathe them were able to win without Brady and went 11-5 and if not for a tiebreaker would've made the playoffs with that record.
The Colts can't even win a game without Peyton. Its inexcusable.
Yes Caldwell needs to go but the Polians have to go with him because they're living on past reputation and with each loss a rather overrated one. Firing Caldwell doesn't fix everything the entire system is flawed and Polian created it if he can't adapt to what needs to be done to succeed in today's NFL yes he needs to go the sooner the better.
If you want to fix the system then Bill has to go along with Caldwell but I am not sure of Chris.
Our DC had the LB's blitz the run which has impacted the Colts defense in good and bad ways. Our corners simply have regressed and can't handle most teams wr's.
IF the Colts can upgrade the coach and the GM then they should but we all know this probably won't happen.
Went to the game and there was a ton of Blue there at Paul Brown field. Nice city, folks were cool, and once again proved Indy is not the only fair weather fans. A ton of empty seats but maybe their fans will get on board since they are 4-2. Doubt it because most thought they still suck and we just watched two really bad teams out there.
Side note: Went to Izzy's but didn't do the Man VS Food challenge on the 110 reuben. Honestly I preferred Shapiro's reuben in Indy where the sauerkraut has a little more bite.
You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....
Do you purposely distort what people say to get a kick out of it, or do you simply not have the ability to understand?
I've been calling you out, not because you disagree with the direction, but because you're so over-the-top it can't be ignored.
You tried to insult the Colts by comparing them to the Packers. Wow, what an insult.
Then you've tried claiming that the only good player the Colts have is Peyton.
Instead of just acknowledging how far fetched you go in order to criticize, you've simply dug you're head in the sand further. Great strategy.
Of course I see something wrong with it. I'm not happy about this state of affairs either, but firing everyone in one of the smoothest run, successful NFL franchises because of one catastrophic season is not a smart way to run a business.
We will win a game without Peyton too. We lost our first six, which sucks, but we aren't going to go 0-16. Caldwell is a crappy coach and always has been, which is why I'm fine with axing that goon. The Polians have made some mistakes in recent years with personnel (understatement, I realize), but they still are the architects behind our success the past decade+. You can argue that is all because of Peyton, but I don't think that's true.
We will be fine. We picked a great year to be horrible. The team wasn't going to be a contender even with Peyton imo, and there is one elite prize at the top of the draft this year. Keep in mind that if we finish with a horrible record it will make our schedule easier next season. Instead of playing all those first place teams we get every year we will get all the last place teams with a healthy Manning. A year from now we could very easily be 6-0 or 5-1 and all you people clamoring to blow the organization up will be contentedly cheering on our once again successful football team.
Drafting Andrew Luck does NOTHING to address this teams real problem and that's the fact that the Cover 2 blows, and they NEVER, not even once, acquired the 2 run stuffing fatties in the middle it takes to REALLY make it work. The only reason they won the SB is because Sanders came back healthy and creamed every runner that touched the ball for 5 straight games. He was basically doing the jobs of two DT's in those games. The Cover 2 needs to go out with the bathwater, and any coach or GM who supports keeping it and not getting the personnel to properly use it should go right with it.
Theres a difference in winning in the regular season vs winning in the post season and the criticisms of a lot of people on here reflect the latter.
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I've been to Cincy many times. It's a nice small city. Much like Indy.
Also much like Indy, their sports fanbase is very fair weathered.
So, the Bengals to the Colts is like the Pacers to the Bulls.
In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!
Bball has the same views, but doesn't post them every 5 seconds. He waits until it's relevant to the conversation and makes coherent points. I actually look forward to reading his posts about the subject even though I disagree generally.
I can't even see Basketball Fan's posts, but I could probably post them myself at this point and I probably wouldn't be too far off. It's entirely predictable.
Pot calling the kettle black here about distorting what people say. Really? The Colts seem content with winning the division and being one and done. Its a shame because we had Manning and we squandered his best years by not even trying to improve special teams or an outdated Tampa 2.
And of course the coaching.
Regular season success is one thing with Manning that was never really in doubt we're talking about postseason where it really counts and what you're judged by and yes the Colts left a lot to be desired.
And yes I think Irsay is back on drugs again I saw him on TV when he was talking about Peyton he looked rather bloated in the face more than usual and its not just old age weight gain.
But hey you keep believing what the FO is shoveling I mean being 0-6 without Manning for a team that's supposed to be an SB contender is acceptable for some people.
They think being in the playoffs is okay and well forget about fixing a special teams that blows coverage or a defense that can't stop the run and is undersized and expect it to work(now they can't stop the pass either). The O-Line doesn't seem nearly as bad compared to those two things.
If they actively fixed these problems and we still fell short I can accept that because we did something.
But they didn't do anything they choose to ignore the obvious bury their head in the sand until it can't be ignored anymore(like now without Manning)
I mean we had Peyton he can put up enough points on the board and keep the defense off the field and we can win the game. That was what they really thought. And its so incredibly ignorant and arrogant all at the same time.
Sure works in the regular season but the playoffs? Coaching and talent win out more often than not.
And now without Manning this team has been exposed as below average( to put it mildly).