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  • #331
    Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

    Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
    would be a mistake IMO dude doesn't get it and isn't very good and is no where as good as he thinks he is. He takes so many bad shots it isnt even funny. He doesnt pass much he is lucky he plays with Moutrie who doesnt need the ball to be effective. I can give him a pass there but they way he plays defense IMO is inexcusable and if I was his coach he wouldn't play for the **** he pulls on defense. Sometimes I wonder if he gets the concept of defense that it actually takes effort the other player isnt gonna magically not beat you. Best word I can use for him on the defensive side is WTF. I would never draft a guy so out of shape regardless the only good fat player there has been is Chuck most overweight guys dont do well and that IMO is because they are lazy this is true in Sidneys case for sure you cant give a guy passion he either has it or he doesn't and Sidney does not have it.

    He has more red flags than Stephenson did coming out IMO. At least Lance was in half way decent shape and a headcase. Sidney is a headcase and is 50lbs over weight and doesnt know how to play basketball. I wouldnt touch him even if he goes undrafted I dont want that kid anywhere near our team.

    I watched St Bona vs Temple last night and I think I found the 2nd coming of Ike Diogu . .

    Andrew Nicholson is a guy with great footwork and a great post game but double team him and it is a automatic TO. He cant pass out of a double team(he really cant pass at all) to save his like but he has killer post moves just like Ike and he also has range out to the 3pt line. He is a major black hole but to his credit he is pretty damn skilled. But the Temple big man pushed him off his spots pretty easily he is pretty weak. But unlike Ike he can block shots he has a Solo Jones type body really long arms he is probably 6'9 with a 7'3 wingspan. Kid has great individual talent but I dot like him for the Pacers send him somewhere else where they play 1v1 ball.

    also a fun fact a few games ago he had a 20-20 game first guy since Bob Lainer to do it at St Bona.


    Kid who I came away impressed with the most was Ramone Moore. I first saw him last when Lavoy Allen from the 76ers was still at Temple. Kid has a really nice game very unselfish SG who can play pg if needed like George Hill. He is a really good athlete who can really score off the dribble and can pass really well off the dribble. Has a improved jumper and now shooting from 3pt range very well I can see him making a NBA team and finding a niche. I wouldnt mind him taking Stephenson's role if we dont see improvement.

    His down fall is his body he is only 6'4 180lbs on a good day. I dont see him adding much weight either but he is a really great athlete which makes up for his small frame. I would love to invite him to camp if he goes undrafted but I see him getting drafted in the 50s kind of like Etwuan Moore who has a similar frame and game.


    also on Henson his mid range game and post game has been there all season he has really improved as a player but his body really concerns me.



    Also this was talked about in the IU thread but I will put it here. I see Cody Zeller coming back for one more year unless he gets a top 10 promise(which IMO is very likely I have him rated 7th on my big board right now) But if he stays he will likley go top 5 next year and maybe as high as 3. I dont see many passing on Nerlens Noel or Shabazz Muhammad. Noel is suppose to be close to a Dwight Howard type impact on defense at the C.(same thing was said about Andre Drummond though and he has been a bad player IMO With that said he should still be a top 5 pick )


    I still have the same two as my guys I want for the Pacers. The more I watch Machado the more I want the guy he plays the game so well and just has a gift your cant teach has great vision in both the half court and him running a fast break is a thing of beauty. He also has a CP3 type body he is 6'1 but he is very stocky and plays bigger than his size. If he was the athlete like CP3 I think he could be a CP3 type player but with just slightly above average athleticism like a Andre Miller in his prime I think he will be good just not as gifted as others elite players athletically which is why he is going so late in the draft but I have him rated much much higher maybe one of the only times I agree with Doug Gottlieb. But IMO he is a much better athlete than Marshall but thats just my opinion. Dre is probably the best comparison I can make even when it comes to rebounding both terrific rebounders. I didnt see Dre in college I take it he was a great finisher. Machado is strong enough to finish with contact but he could see work on his touch around the rim but he gets into the lane very well. He and Lillard I have 1 and 2 as pgs in this draft I could see the Suns targeting him to be Nash's apprentice.

    Tony Mitchell I think with the right coaching this kid will be a stud. The rust is wearing off and he gets better every time I watch him play. He gets so many big boy rebounds that imo he if he commits himself could be one of the best rebounders at the next level. But he still takes some plays off but I think if a coach tells him how good he can be at just being a rebounder and great defender/shot blocker he can be special. But he is also really good on offense and really skilled so it is kind of hard to say just be a great defender and shot blocker when he can be more at the next level. I think he will be a good PnP/PnR guy as well as a good post up face guy who can pass very well out of a double team and pass well in general. His decision making is still a work in progress but it seems to be getting better. I really want to get this kid and see what jim boylen and Vogel van do in developing him he is already a great defender with a great offensive game but if Boylen and Hibbert and West could teach him more post moves with his back to the basket he has a few but he needs to add more and counters for the NBA imo and also help with his offensive decision making he could be a great player in the NBA in a few years.


    Mike Glover of IONA I want to give a camp invite also kid plays with so much heart I doubt he would make the team but he is a guy who is what you want in terms of how hard they play. He is the kind of guy you want challenging guys in practice and if he plays he plays the smouthmash brand of b ball. He may get draft also I could see a team picking him because of his heart he plays with.
    Yeah, I think that is the thing with Sidney, he really needs to go to a place where he can get structure and discipline, he is a coaches worst nightmare to me... But I still think he has tons of potential and the NBA loves guys like that, I doubt he will ever get close because a lot has to do with his mindset and I can not see that changing much at allllllll.

    Also I will look out for those guys you talked about, and yeah I think Henson's length really helps out with the size thing, he really has answered all questions on the offensive side to me as far a scoring. But it will be interesting to see if he ever adds any weigh on, I have a feeling it will never happen and he will have a tough time guarding bigs with a post game.

    I still have not seen Lillard play but I am hearing wonderful things about him, and I agree with Macado, he is one of those guys that could be grabbed in the 2nd round with a pick between 40 and 50, if we could turn AJ price into that I would LOVE IT, lol

    Also I remember I mentioned Lavroy Allen last year, I could tell he had potential and he is actually doing fairly decent for a rookie with the time that he is getting, glad to see that it is working out for him.

    Marshal was really showing up last night by the way, not only taking open shots but hitting contested ones, granted that fadeaway was against Quinn Cook, lol but still it is a good sign. Still not sure where he will fall in the draft but I am sure that he will start in the NBA eventually.

    Has anyone seen Bradley Beal lately?
    Why so SERIOUS

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    • #332
      Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

      Also Jcovan Brown consistently impresses me, if Texas was a top 10 team I think he would be getting some consideration for top 20 pick. I would not mind getting him, he can definitely get his own shot..
      Why so SERIOUS

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      • #333
        Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

        Originally posted by Really? View Post
        Yeah, I think that is the thing with Sidney, he really needs to go to a place where he can get structure and discipline, he is a coaches worst nightmare to me... But I still think he has tons of potential and the NBA loves guys like that, I doubt he will ever get close because a lot has to do with his mindset and I can not see that changing much at allllllll.

        Also I will look out for those guys you talked about, and yeah I think Henson's length really helps out with the size thing, he really has answered all questions on the offensive side to me as far a scoring. But it will be interesting to see if he ever adds any weigh on, I have a feeling it will never happen and he will have a tough time guarding bigs with a post game.

        I still have not seen Lillard play but I am hearing wonderful things about him, and I agree with Macado, he is one of those guys that could be grabbed in the 2nd round with a pick between 40 and 50, if we could turn AJ price into that I would LOVE IT, lol

        Also I remember I mentioned Lavroy Allen last year, I could tell he had potential and he is actually doing fairly decent for a rookie with the time that he is getting, glad to see that it is working out for him.

        Marshal was really showing up last night by the way, not only taking open shots but hitting contested ones, granted that fadeaway was against Quinn Cook, lol but still it is a good sign. Still not sure where he will fall in the draft but I am sure that he will start in the NBA eventually.

        Has anyone seen Bradley Beal lately?
        Machado will be going in the 1st rd I am sure of that. Unless he really tests bad at the combine which I highly doubt he looks to be in stellar shape and has really improved.

        his game is at 2pm today they blew out Marist yesterday in their 1st game of the tourney Machado and Glover were dominate. I just got done watching the game and he made a few passes even I didn't think he had in him.

        I would draft him top 15 and if he was valued as only a early 2nd rd pick I would tell my owner to let me buy a draft pick like the Cavs did when they bought Mark Price.

        Jcovan Brown has been in a huge slump lately his decision making I don't like but when he isnt in a slump he can score I am not a huge fan though at dont see the position he plays. If we are gonna take a questionable decision maker give me Tyshawn Taylor dude can play like the best pg in the nation when he is under control and his finishing ability is pretty good.

        Taylor is another one of the guys who will wow you with his ability at times and then other times he makes you want to put your palm in your face with his play.


        I wouldn't mind Pierre Jackson I doubt he comes out but that kid could be a spark plug that our bench needs. I see him as a solid 3rd string pg who you put in when you need energy and effort along with extra scoring.

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        • #334
          Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

          Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
          I am completely throwing out everything on Marshall dude is a mystery to me on offense one game he drops 20 the next he cant make a shot and is a liability. Then he drops 20 agin he is like a yo-yo I don't know im perplexed. Still sounds like a decent backup pg but I dont know if he can consistently score like he did last night he could be very good and starter material even though he cant guard a chair.

          I still dont know how he will do when he faces good defense Seth Curry is not very good in that department really no one on Duke is that good defensively.
          I keep flip flopping on Marshall. I am now of the opinion that he would be great on a team like ours. If you need your point guard to score and take over games, he is not your guy. If you need a point guard to come in and create easy offense for your other guys and occassionally knock down open shots, then he is ideal for you.

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          • #335
            Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
            Machado will be going in the 1st rd I am sure of that. Unless he really tests bad at the combine which I highly doubt he looks to be in stellar shape and has really improved.

            his game is at 2pm today they blew out Marist yesterday in their 1st game of the tourney Machado and Glover were dominate. I just got done watching the game and he made a few passes even I didn't think he had in him.

            I would draft him top 15 and if he was valued as only a early 2nd rd pick I would tell my owner to let me buy a draft pick like the Cavs did when they bought Mark Price.

            Jcovan Brown has been in a huge slump lately his decision making I don't like but when he isnt in a slump he can score I am not a huge fan though at dont see the position he plays. If we are gonna take a questionable decision maker give me Tyshawn Taylor dude can play like the best pg in the nation when he is under control and his finishing ability is pretty good.

            Taylor is another one of the guys who will wow you with his ability at times and then other times he makes you want to put your palm in your face with his play.


            I wouldn't mind Pierre Jackson I doubt he comes out but that kid could be a spark plug that our bench needs. I see him as a solid 3rd string pg who you put in when you need energy and effort along with extra scoring.
            Yeah I like Jackson of the bench, I think Brown would work for this team, he would come off the bench, and the nights that he is on he would get a decent amount of play and the nights he is off he would be right back on the bench, lol

            Taylor annoys me, he is one that I really cannot figure out, he gives me headaches.
            Why so SERIOUS

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            • #336
              Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

              NBadraft.net and draftexpress having us take Mason Plumlee.

              Which I hope is not the case he seems like a clone of Hansborough, and is from Duke, and no one good comes out of Duke (with two or three exceptions).

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              • #337
                Originally posted by immortality View Post
                NBadraft.net and draftexpress having us take Mason Plumlee.

                Which I hope is not the case he seems like a clone of Hansborough, and is from Duke, and no one good comes out of Duke (with two or three exceptions).
                Bit more athletic than Tyler bigger, more comparable in my opinion to varejao

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                • #338
                  Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                  Kevin Jones is a more versatile Tyler Hansbrough and he will likely be going 2nd rd. I cant believe we take Hansbrough 13th in a draft when Blair went 2nd rd just

                  I still wonder if we just drafted Tyler to put fans in the seats you can get a undersized hustle man in the 2nd rd in most drafts and we really needed a pg and still do.

                  EDIT now I see what sookie is saying about UCONN's coaching Huggins is clearly out coaching Calhoun. I dont get some of the sets UCONN is running especially for Drummond.
                  Last edited by pacer4ever; 03-07-2012, 01:31 PM.

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                  • #339
                    Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                    Originally posted by immortality View Post
                    NBadraft.net and draftexpress having us take Mason Plumlee.

                    Which I hope is not the case he seems like a clone of Hansborough, and is from Duke, and no one good comes out of Duke (with two or three exceptions).
                    on defense he is a clone of Hans his defensive awareness is horrid. He has been better this season but I dont see him doing much and is certainly not a good fit with the mix we have talent wise. Really the only thing he does really well is shot block and rebound everything else he is average or poor.


                    Tony Mitchell really disappointed me last night he needs to understand that at the next level he has to play 110% he wasnt last night and it cost his team a tourney bid.

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                    • #340
                      Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                      When selecting Hansborough, I think Bird was still going with the safe picks, rookies who had stayed in school for three-four years. This was only two years after all those trades for Dun and Troy, as well as telling Tinsley to stop playing. On hindsight there were so many point guards in that draft its sad we didn't choose any one of them, but then you have to wonder how those PGs would have fared within the Jim Obrian era.
                      Last edited by immortality; 03-07-2012, 03:03 PM.

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                      • #341
                        Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                        my favorite player in this class is on espn2 or espn3 right now first national tv game for him. Damian Lillard remember the name most efficient player in the nation should be a great pro flat out can score the ball.

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                        • #342
                          Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                          Seth Curry isn't a superstar and outta the Plumlee's, Mason is the one you want, if you really like either one of them but neither is worth taking a look at imo. Mason will probably be going back for his senior year and Miles hasn't rebounded well enough to show it will carry over to the NBA. Why does everyone on here overrate Curry?

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                          • #343
                            Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                            Who else thinks that Austin Rivers has bust written all over him?

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                            • #344
                              Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                              p4e I know Lillard put up some flashy numbers during this game against montana, but considering the competition and the fact that they're getting blown out in this game I wouldn't think that would bode well. Do you think it's possible that his stock will fall at all? Probably wishful thinking, and even if it did he'll make it back in pre-draft camps.

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                              • #345
                                Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                                Originally posted by TheDon View Post
                                p4e I know Lillard put up some flashy numbers during this game against montana, but considering the competition and the fact that they're getting blown out in this game I wouldn't think that would bode well. Do you think it's possible that his stock will fall at all? Probably wishful thinking, and even if it did he'll make it back in pre-draft camps.
                                you cant really fault him for the loss. Montana was on fire from 3 and Weber St outside of Lillard didn't show up. Also a lot of the blame goes on the coach very poor game plan vs a zone IMO. Also dont like how they switched everything Lillard looked bad on defense because of that. That is a Mike D type defense and IMO is one you cant win with the other team will find the advantage and normally get a great look.


                                He will go in the lottery IMO and I have been saying that for quite a while since early in the season I have had him graded that high.

                                He is defiantly the best pg in the draft IMO. If I am the Hornets he would be my target to play with Eric in the backcourt.

                                Also his backround will make him rise if anything. Damian is a hard working kid self made player who was never suppose to be much. But because he is a hard worker he made himself into a terrific player. A kid with his athletic skills along with the great work ethic (dude is a gym rat puts in a ton of extra work) IMO is a no brainier

                                He reminds me so much of Eric Gordon in HS just the whole situation where at NC where EJ had to put the team on his back but he never did put them over the hump they didnt have the talent. But in general his body control and ability to finish and shoot reminds me of Eric but he is a pg unlike Eric. He plays a solid pg game but the offense they ran was awful but normaly he runs the offense very well very unselfish and a smart basketball player.

                                Also he is a terrific athlete if he tests well at the combine (which he will)he will be a lock for the lottery

                                He will instantly become probably my 2rd favorite NBA player next year I love the kids game and I really wish we could somehow get him.

                                also Seth Curry a star?? LOL who ever said that??? Seth will likely never play a NBA game. His defense is worse than Kendall Marshall's and he cant do anything outside of shoot.

                                Henry Sims another example of a hard working Hoya just like Roy wasnt very good when he came in but improves every year and now looks to have the skills to be a nice skilled big man at the next level in the same mold of a Hibbert and Monroe very good passer would love to take a look at him.
                                Last edited by pacer4ever; 03-08-2012, 12:05 AM.

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