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  • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

    Originally posted by Really? View Post
    Yeah after his first game I said that he will be the #1 draft pick in this years draft, I still think there is a good chance for him to take over the #1 spot. I'm glad that he is being aggressive
    And who are you assuming is going to be #1? Sullinger, Barnes, or Lamb?
    I Bleed Blue

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    • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

      Originally posted by CreekShow View Post
      And who are you assuming is going to be #1? Sullinger, Barnes, or Lamb?
      Nope, ever since his SR year in HS to now, Anthony Davis is considered to be the consensus #1 pick, but I think Jones will jump him by the end of the year.
      Why so SERIOUS

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      • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

        Oh yeah, I honestly forgot all about him. I dont think by the end of the season he will be the #1. But thats just me
        I Bleed Blue

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        • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

          decided to take really's advice and watched Meyers Leonard and my god he looks like a new guy this year. He had a monster game and carried the Illini it was just Cornell but my god if I put tape of him last year and then watched tonight's game again I wouldn't believe he is the same guy. That is a good sign he has a good work ethic because honestly last year he sucked. I cant wait for conference play I want to see him guard a true C.
          Last edited by pacer4ever; 12-20-2011, 04:14 AM.

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            I wouldnt mind getting Kevin Jones maybe the best rebounder in the nation he is making Perry Jones his ***** tonight. He fits the mold of smash mouth. He would be a good 2nd rd pick next year IMO he may even go undrafted but not after tonights game.

            Pierre Jackson is by far my favorite player to watch he college ball the kid is a ball of energy. To the contrast AJ Walton his backup is by far the stupidest and worst pg I have seen in the main conferences I cant believe Scott Drew keeps playing him.
            Last edited by pacer4ever; 12-23-2011, 11:04 PM.

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            • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

              Could somebody please post Doug Gottlieb's Big Board for the 2012 Draft from ESPN's Insider? Thank you.
              "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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              • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                http://www.courier-journal.com/artic...sey=nav%7Chead

                I really love this. Great kid it seems Kidd-Gilchrist will be a great pro IMO love his motor kid goes non stop. We need to add players like this sucks he will be out of our range.

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                • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                  Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                  http://www.courier-journal.com/artic...sey=nav%7Chead

                  I really love this. Great kid it seems Kidd-Gilchrist will be a great pro IMO love his motor kid goes non stop. We need to add players like this sucks he will be out of our range.
                  Yeah, he's my favorite of the UK guys.

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                  • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                    http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-coll...raft-big-board

                    This early in the season, it's hard to find any kind of consensus about who the top NBA prospects are for the upcoming draft. That picture is almost always in motion as the college basketball season progresses. But when I look at the college landscape right now, I come away with 30 guys whom I see as having what it takes to be first-round picks in June's draft.

                    This is certainly subject to change over the course of the season, but for now, in order, here are my top 30 draft-eligible prospects:

                    1. Perry Jones III, Baylor Bears
                    Developing a killer instinct to go with very sound basketball skills.

                    2. Harrison Barnes, North Carolina Tar Heels
                    He's making shots, has a pro game and seems to be able to elevate his play to the level of competition.

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                    3. Andre Drummond, Connecticut Huskies
                    Just scraping the surface of his potential, but already an animal on defense with all the makings of a stud big man.

                    4. Anthony Davis, Kentucky Wildcats
                    Looks the part of an NBA lotto pick, but doesn't have a defined skill to speak of outside of blocking shots.

                    5. Jeremy Lamb, Connecticut Huskies
                    Silky smooth 1/2/3-type player, who continues to elevate his game. He needs to work on his body for the rigors of the NBA, but his overall game is tailor-made for the League.

                    6. Bradley Beal, Florida Gators
                    Perfect body and stroke for the 2-guard spot in the NBA. Needs to be a little better off the dribble, as his offense in college is not totally geared for his strengths.

                    7. Meyers Leonard, Illinois Fighting Illini
                    Huge upside that might be best to refine in college for another year or even two. But he's a 7-foot-2, great athlete with lots of skill. He just needs strength and confidence.

                    8. Quincy Miller, Baylor Bears
                    He's a Pogo stick who can shoot and defend. Seems like he has even more to offer than what he's shown at this early stage of his career.

                    9. Thomas Robinson, Kansas Jayhawks
                    Another springy athlete who may be a bit undersized, but is able to face up and defend ball screens better than Jared Sullinger at the next level.

                    10. Cody Zeller, Indiana Hoosiers
                    He's not close to being physically ready, but he has a tremendous combination of size and athleticism.

                    11. Jared Sullinger, Ohio State Buckeyes
                    A load down low who is showing an increased ability to score on the perimeter. He may struggle some against bigger players in the NBA, but he is very agile for his size.

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                    AP Photo/Ricardo Arduengo
                    Iona's Scott Machado could be a solid pick for an NBA team.
                    12. Scott Machado, Iona Gaels
                    If Sebastian Telfair had gone to college and was a little bigger, this is what I think his game would have looked like by the end of his career. Machado has great feel as a passer, can score some in the half court and has changed his body to become a more dynamic athlete.

                    13. Damian Lillard, Weber State Wildcats
                    Scoring point guard originally from Oakland and a very good scorer off ball screens. He's a solid creator and if his team was healthy we might have another "Jimmer" situation.

                    14. Terrence Jones, Kentucky Wildcats
                    Skilled. Period.

                    15. Patric Young, Florida Gators
                    Just a physical specimen with growing basketball skill. Young is a low-maintenance offensive player who should grow into a dominant defender and rebounder.

                    16. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Kentucky Wildcats
                    Scoring machine at the 3. He's the most competitive Kentucky player so far, though he has a lower ceiling than Anthony Davis.

                    17. John Henson, North Carolina Tar Heels
                    Looks the part, as he's super-duper long and a decent face-up shooter who can post up, but he doesn't impact a game like he should. Henson's a very bright person, but may lack grit to become elite.

                    18. Andrew Nicholson, St. Bonaventure Bonnies
                    Nicholson's a Canadian who stands only 6-9 but has a 7-4 wingspan, and he uses those long arms to block shots and rebound. With great feet, huge hands and a very bright background, Nicholson is loved by scouts. Nicholson is an underrated face-up shooter, which should allow him to translate to the NBA 4 with continued development.

                    19. Tony Wroten, Washington Huskies
                    A big, strong scoring guard, Wroten tore his knee in high school but seems to be tapping his potential at UW.

                    20. Austin Rivers, Duke Blue Devils
                    A dynamic combo guard who is in search of a position. Rivers has some Dwyane Wade to his game, and like Wade, he is a streaky shooter. Unlike Wade, he plays more below the rim. Being at Duke is helping his defense and shot selection, though he is not really playing the point at all.

                    21. Doug McDermott, Creighton Bluejays
                    Playing the face-up 4 in college, McDermott should become a 3 in time. His improvement has been rapid and there is still room for more by continuing to work on his body.

                    22. Terrence Ross, Washington Huskies
                    Big-time athlete at the wing who can shoot. He needs to be a better guard in terms of ballhandling and defense, though.


                    Lance King/Getty Images
                    Terrence Ross exhibits some of his elite athleticism against Duke.
                    23. Arnett Moultrie, Mississippi State Bulldogs
                    The UTEP transfer is adept at playing in the high post and is a tremendous rebounder as well.

                    24. Joshua Smith, UCLA Bruins
                    Probably 50 pounds overweight, Smith should be in the top 10 on this list, but his weight is crushing his potential. Huge, soft hands, great feet and a big body, Smith will either get it, or eat himself out of a lot of money.

                    25. Tony Mitchell, Alabama Crimson Tide
                    Mitchell is a freak athlete with no real position; still, he walks into a gym and looks like an NBA player. He should be a 2-guard, only he has no real guard skills and might have to be a 3 even though he plays some 4 at Bama. Still, Mitchell can be a shutdown defender and will be good addition for an NBA team as his game develops.

                    26. John Shurna, Northwestern Wildcats
                    With a bit of a funky-looking jumper, Shurna is a machine as a scorer. He has some low-post game, and can pass and create his own shot as well.

                    27. Mason Plumlee, Duke Blue Devils
                    Big, fairly strong and a possessing a very good jumper, Plumlee is a dunking animal. He is not a scorer at the low block, has not developed a pick-and-pop game and struggles to cover out on the floor. But he has bought into his role at Duke and has excelled in it.

                    28. Zack Rosen, Pennsylvania Quakers
                    A true point guard, who is very quick and strong. He actually started ahead of Scott Machado at St. Benedict's in high school. Rosen has improved by leaps and bounds as a shooter, is a very good playmaker and a bulldog of an on-ball defender. Tough as nails, Rosen has a chance to be a starting point guard, as his shooting and handle off ball screens continues to improve.

                    29. John Jenkins, Vanderbilt Commodores
                    A big, elite shooter who should stick in the league for a long time.

                    30. Tyler Zeller, North Carolina Tar Heels
                    Big and fast, Zeller needs to continue to add to his low-post repertoire, which right now consists solely of his jump hook.
                    For the record, I ****ing hate Doug Gottlieb.

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                    • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                      Josh Smith is on his big board? You have to be ****ing me. That kid has no shot in the pros there has only been one good fat player and that was Chuck Barkley and he wasnt 75lbs over what you should be. I think that it is ridiculous he has him as a 1st rd pick.

                      He nails Cody Zeller

                      and he nails Quincy Miller who reminds me of Paul George.

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                      • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                        http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2011/12...orth-the-wait/

                        wanted this kid so bad last year top 5 talent IMO. He isn't athletic as most but he is skilled as ****.

                        Doug Gottlieb has a few guys on his big board who will be late 2nd round players at best IMO like John Shurna. The kid can play but I dont see him going first round he is a bit like Chandler Parsons very skilled forward but he is a bit high IMO on his board.

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                        • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                          I love that Gottlieb talks about alot of players from different schools and smaller schools at that. He really gives insight into a bunch of guys few people have heard of. Dick Vitale should take notes. I do agree that there will be a lot of players on this list right now that will fall and some that will come out of nowhere by the end of the year. I appreciate his insight however.

                          I don't love Gottlieb, but he knows his stuff. Thanks cdash for posting that for me!
                          "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                            I agree with remarkably little on that board.

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                            • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                              Kidd-Gilchrist 24pts 19 rebounds =

                              Joshua Smith had more TO's than rebounds today and had equal number of points.

                              Myers Leonard is unimpressive today he cant get the ball where he wants it and is making some stupid defensive plays.

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                              • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                                Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                                Kidd-Gilchrist 24pts 19 rebounds =

                                Joshua Smith had more TO's than rebounds today and had equal number of points.

                                Myers Leonard is unimpressive today he cant get the ball where he wants it and is making some stupid defensive plays.
                                You see where Chad Ford tweeted something about Kidd-Gilchrist going back into his top 5 and Gottlieb tweeted to him some BS basically telling him he's wrong? I hate Doug Gottlieb. He's so arrogant.

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