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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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  • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

    Originally posted by Ozwalt72 View Post
    What does kentucky want in a trade for Kidd-Gilchrist?
    Are we far enough under the cap to absorb his contract?

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    • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

      Doron, Lamb is a nice late 1st early 2nd pick.

      By the way Wjilcher or however you spell it is completely underwhelming.
      Why so SERIOUS

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      • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

        Drinking game, but you only want to play it for a 2 minutes, or you'll die.

        take a shot every time Vitale says Zeller.
        "man, PG has been really good."

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        • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

          Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
          i'll take Anthony Davis he would be starting for many NBA teams right now.

          but Kidd-Gilchrist might be aswell lol
          He is very under achieving at times, sometimes he looks like a all star and others not so much.

          I think he(Davis) should stick around at UK one more year, give him time to get used to figuring out his game on lesser competition, as well as physically get bigger. His is really going to have to learn not to get in foul trouble, I know this does not always happen, but man, in a big game like this you have to make wise decisions.
          Why so SERIOUS

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          • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

            Originally posted by Really? View Post
            He is very under achieving at times, sometimes he looks like a all star and others not so much.

            I think he(Davis) should stick around at UK one more year, give him time to get used to figuring out his game on lesser competition, as well as physically get bigger. His is really going to have to learn not to get in foul trouble, I know this does not always happen, but man, in a big game like this you have to make wise decisions.
            na he is to good defensively to stay another year. He will be a top 3 pick just based on defense.

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            • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

              Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
              na he is to good defensively to stay another year. He will be a top 3 pick just based on defense.
              He will be forsure, but I think it will be better for him in the long run if he waits another year, He will still be top 3 next year. But in the NBA if he comes out the way that he is now, he will win a smaller amount of box outs, he will not be able to box out anyone.

              Defense is good but you he has to develop a lot more to be a star in the NBA, I think he will get it either way but, it will come faster if he stays around in college one more year.
              Why so SERIOUS

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              • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                I do wonder if Oladipo ends up an NBA pick down the road. He's athletic enough.
                "man, PG has been really good."

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                • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                  Originally posted by Really? View Post
                  He will be forsure, but I think it will be better for him in the long run if he waits another year, He will still be top 3 next year. But in the NBA if he comes out the way that he is now, he will win a smaller amount of box outs, he will not be able to box out anyone.

                  Defense is good but you he has to develop a lot more to be a star in the NBA, I think he will get it either way but, it will come faster if he stays around in college one more year.
                  KG had the same frame when he came out. If he turns pro he will have more time to work on his game and on his body he will get stronger.



                  but my god Terrence Jones im a huge fan of his game. But after tonight I don't know what to say im speechless on his play and effort tonight it has been beyond terrible.

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                  • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                    Originally posted by Ozwalt72 View Post
                    I do wonder if Oladipo ends up an NBA pick down the road. He's athletic enough.
                    ive been saying for awhile the way he plays with energy and defense he will be a successful pro one day. The kid has great work ethic and will work his tail off. He is the kind of guy you want if your a coach he probably plays 110% in practice he only has one speed.

                    reminds me a lot of Ronnie Brewer.
                    Last edited by pacer4ever; 12-10-2011, 07:31 PM.

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                    • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                      I wonder if IU can hold out and beat UK.
                      First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                      • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                        Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                        I wonder if IU can hold out and beat UK.
                        Kentucky's playing better since they took Jones off the floor.

                        Heck of a game though.
                        "man, PG has been really good."

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                        • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                          Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                          KG had the same frame when he came out. If he turns pro he will have more time to work on his game and on his body he will get stronger.



                          but my god Terrence Jones im a huge fan of his game. But after tonight I don't know what to say im speechless on his play and effort tonight it has been beyond terrible.
                          It took KG a while to develop as a rebounder too, and KG was a better offensive presence down low than Davis is. I think this is because Davis just had this growth spurt and never really had to work on low post moves til recently compared to KG.

                          But it is true, he will have a lot of time, most likely more to work on his game if he goes to the NBA, but I think figuring out your game on lesser competition first can often help, it has to be frustration, trying moves against higher competition and being as successful..

                          Oh well we will see.

                          and yes Jones has really not shown up today, I have no clue why that is but NBA GM's will definitely look at this game when thinking about drafting him.
                          Why so SERIOUS

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                          • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                            I was high on Terrance Jones, but he just didn't show up tonight. Looked down right awful and sloppy as hell.

                            Pacers won't have a high pick, so maybe he falls a bit and we get him.
                            First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                              Oh **** yeah!!! IU baby!!
                              First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                              • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                                http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-basketb...nce-transcript

                                In the wake of a game-ending fight between Xavier and Cincinnati on Saturday, both coaches — Xavier's Chris Mack and Cincinnati's Mick Cronin — will be asked about it ad nauseam. In Cronin's post-game press conference, he had plenty to say.

                                Here's a partial transcript of Cronin's comments.

                                On what he was doing when the fight broke out, and the officials' culpability:

                                "I was trying to call time out. I saw (Xavier's players) talking to our bench. I had repeatedly asked the officials to stop it."

                                "I saw it coming and tried to call a timeout. With all due respect to the three (referees), that's where I'm most upset."

                                On the fight itself:

                                "There is no excuse for any of it. On our side, on their side, guys need to grow up. I'm not blaming anybody. From our standpoint, we accept full responsiblility and it will be handled. There is zero excuse for that in basketball. You gotta learn how to win, on one side, and you gotta learn how to lose on the other side."

                                "The world don't revolve around them, around basketball."

                                "It's a prime example of guys thinking they're too important, and I'm talking about everyone involved."

                                "That whole scene is embarrassing. It's a complete embarrassment."


                                On possible punishment:

                                "I will meet with my AD and my president, and I will decide who's on the team going forward. I've never been this embarrassed. We represent an institution of higher learning. It's way more important than basketball games." "And whoever puts their jersey back on — I made everybody take their jersey off, and they will not put it on again until they have a full understanding of where they go to school, and what the university stands for, and how lucky they are to even be there, let alone have a scholarship, 'cause there's a whole lot of kids that can't pay for college."


                                "They're all sittin' in there with no jersey on. Some of 'em, I physically took 'em off."


                                "At the end of the day, if (a suspension) has to happen, to answer your question, that's a shame, if you have to not play a game because of something like that."

                                "(Cincinnati's AD and president) don't have to worry about me doing the right thing, and the program standing for certain things. And that might not be as sexy as some people want it."

                                On toughness:

                                "Toughness is doing the right thing in life. We talk about -- that's what we talk about. So if that's the case, you're being provoked, or this or that true toughness, you walk away. You take your ***-whipping and you go home. And you get better."

                                "Certain people want to act a certain way? That's on them."

                                To a question about whether a radio interview by Bearcats guard Sean Kilpatrick provoked the fight, as Xavier's Tu Holloway asserted in a post-game press conference:

                                "That's ridiculous. Grow up. Okay? Our sports information department made a mistake by puttin' him on with someone that was gonna provoke him. Read the statement: the kid said he's a great player to start off. And then people wanna make something of it? Who cares?"

                                "At the end of the day, what's that got to do with anything? Play the game, you know? Have some class. Represent your university. He should've never even been put in that situation."

                                A final statement:

                                "My players, they need to handle themselves the way I expect the University of Cincinnati basketball team to handle (themselves), regardless of the situation they're in. Period. Represent our university. That's what I was hired to do six years ago. And that's what will happen as long as I'm the coach, whether we have five guys on the team on Monday, or 10 or 13. There's enough guys out there that would appreciate the scholarship. I don't care how good you are."

                                "That whole scene is just an embarrassment. Guys think they're way too important in the scope of what's going on in the world. It's not professional sports."

                                After that, Cronin got a smattering of applause from the assembled media members.
                                Mick Cronin just gained a lot of respect from me the Cincinnati coach

                                I praise this man great job by him I would do the same thing

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