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What Does George Hill Bring To The Pacers' Offense?

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  • #16
    Re: What Does George Hill Bring To The Pacers' Offense?

    Originally posted by Anthem View Post
    The graphs in the original article (follow the link) were pretty interesting.

    For all the love Dunleavy gets about being able to make the offense run more smoothly, his creation numbers were terrible. Right there with James Posey.
    Mike Dunleavy Mr. overrated just because your a coaches son doesn't mean you play great team basketball and have an amazing IQ like everyone on here says. I am just glad I dont have to see him in BnG again.

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    • #17
      Re: What Does George Hill Bring To The Pacers' Offense?

      Originally posted by Anthem View Post
      The graphs in the original article (follow the link) were pretty interesting.

      For all the love Dunleavy gets about being able to make the offense run more smoothly, his creation numbers were terrible. Right there with James Posey.
      Because it's based on assist percentage, which doesn't include things like passing to the person who is going to get the assist. Or passing into the post which pretty much rarely results in an assist. All things that help the offense go but don't turn up in the stat sheet.

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      • #18
        Re: What Does George Hill Bring To The Pacers' Offense?

        Originally posted by Sookie View Post
        Because it's based on assist percentage, which doesn't include things like passing to the person who is going to get the assist. Or passing into the post which pretty much rarely results in an assist. All things that help the offense go but don't turn up in the stat sheet.

        passing to the post? Are you serious? If you cant pass to the post at the NBA level then you shouldn't be in the NBA. Any decent passer makes the extra pass I mean we could get a guy who does that and defends much cheaper (a guy like George Hill does that and plays defense how people can over look his defense is just crazy IMO defense wins ).

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        • #19
          Re: What Does George Hill Bring To The Pacers' Offense?

          George is going to be a big aid to this team. We've lacked the defensive, crafty combo guard for a while.

          I cannot wait to see a guard lineup of George and Lance off the bench. Both guys are interchangable between PG/SG which will make it that much more fun to see.

          Both have bright futures with us.
          In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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          • #20
            Re: What Does George Hill Bring To The Pacers' Offense?

            Originally posted by Scot Pollard View Post
            George is going to be a big aid to this team. We've lacked the defensive, crafty combo guard for a while.
            Closest thing we've had to that in recent time was, uh, Marquis?
            "man, PG has been really good."

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            • #21
              Re: What Does George Hill Bring To The Pacers' Offense?

              Originally posted by Ozwalt72 View Post
              Closest thing we've had to that in recent time was, uh, Marquis?
              I'm way more excited about George Hill than him.

              No reason not to be. He's someone who can be a big piece for us.
              In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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              • #22
                Re: What Does George Hill Bring To The Pacers' Offense?

                Had Marquis not of gotten injured we probably would have finished with +.500 record the year Danny got the Allstar nod.
                You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                • #23
                  Re: What Does George Hill Bring To The Pacers' Offense?

                  Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                  Had Marquis not of gotten injured we probably would have finished with +.500 record the year Danny got the Allstar nod.
                  He was one of my favorite Pacers. He was a nice guy and played defense. He actually wasn't that bad at the pg for not being a pg. But ya injurys held him back hopefully he can recover from the latest one.

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                  • #24
                    Re: What Does George Hill Bring To The Pacers' Offense?

                    I liked Marquis too, but it was time to part ways with him when we did. We've improved that position nicely.

                    Unfortunately for him, he had that major neck/head injury last year.

                    I hope he's able to come back well.
                    In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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                    • #25
                      Re: What Does George Hill Bring To The Pacers' Offense?

                      Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                      passing to the post? Are you serious? If you cant pass to the post at the NBA level then you shouldn't be in the NBA. Any decent passer makes the extra pass I mean we could get a guy who does that and defends much cheaper (a guy like George Hill does that and plays defense how people can over look his defense is just crazy IMO defense wins ).
                      The Pacers have several players who are either incapable, or simply don't understand how to make a proper post feed.

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                      • #26
                        Re: What Does George Hill Bring To The Pacers' Offense?

                        Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                        passing to the post? Are you serious? If you cant pass to the post at the NBA level then you shouldn't be in the NBA. Any decent passer makes the extra pass I mean we could get a guy who does that and defends much cheaper (a guy like George Hill does that and plays defense how people can over look his defense is just crazy IMO defense wins ).
                        Except in Today's NBA, because the assist gets so much credit that no, any decent passer does not make the extra pass.

                        It's not about ability, it's about knowing when to make the right choices. Dun was good at that.

                        That doesn't mean he was the most valuable, in fact, I think as a player, Dun proved his game isn't exactly playoff friendly.

                        A player like Hill is much more valuable. That doesn't mean Dun's game didn't help with offensive flow. Him and Josh combined to make a really pretty offense.

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                        • #27
                          Re: What Does George Hill Bring To The Pacers' Offense?

                          Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                          The Pacers have several players who are either incapable, or simply don't understand how to make a proper post feed.
                          Yes i am aware but it shouldn't be that way. That is a basic fundamental that you should learn at a young age. And at every level work on. Also they should work on things like that in training camp but guys like DC Paul and others struggled with that last year. It is just a lazy if you cant make a proper post feed and something coach Vogel should let be known that he wont tolerate laziness and lack of focus. Making the extra pass can be taught it is something a coach can get his player to do if he goes about it the right way. This right here is a reason the college game is a better brand of basketball they actually play with basic fundamentals.
                          Last edited by pacer4ever; 10-10-2011, 10:31 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Re: What Does George Hill Bring To The Pacers' Offense?

                            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                            Yes i am aware but it shouldn't be that way. That is a basic fundamental that you should learn at a young age. And at every level work on. Also they should work on things like that in training camp but guys like DC Paul and others struggled with that last year. It is just a lazy if you cant make a proper post feed and something coach Vogel should let be known that he wont tolerate laziness and lack of focus. Making the extra pass can be taught it is something a coach can get his player to do if he goes about it the right way. This right here is a reason the college game is a better brand of basketball they actually play with basic fundamentals.
                            p4e,

                            I think you are absolutely right. It SHOULD be something that is taught at the earliest stages of the game. But it isn't. It goes far beyond just college basketball. This is a huge problem at the AAU level. These kids run these teams and play however the hell they want to for half of every year. The AAU coaches tend to take the best athletes and not the best players. Ball dominance starts at an early age. Coaches don't value fundamentals in the game like they should. In Europe they have schools devoted to basketball. Almost like an Oak Hill Academy, but it starts MUCH earlier in age. They are taught fundamentals before they can even consider being ball dominant. We have MUCH more talented players than Europe overall, but we are teaching them a brand of basketball that doesn't optimize their abilities for a team game. Post passing is one of my biggest qualms with basketball. Dunleavy is a TERRIFIC post passer. I'm going to throw Brandon in there as well. He is very good at it. Both of those guys would actually look to feed the post whether it was inside or outside of the flow of the supposed offense. McRoberts is a good post passer, but I wish I could see him feeding the deep post from the high post more often, then cut. It is imperative to have a PG that can feed the post, and we have one now in Hill. I WISH Danny would get better at it. If there is one player that would benefit more from improving in this area, it is him.
                            "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                            • #29
                              Re: What Does George Hill Bring To The Pacers' Offense?

                              Can someone explain to me how players INcorrectly feed the post?

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                              • #30
                                Re: What Does George Hill Bring To The Pacers' Offense?

                                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                                Can someone explain to me how players INcorrectly feed the post?

                                The best the Pacers have had at feeding the post over the years: Dunleavy, McKey, Mark Jackson -

                                There are a lot of factors: being taller than most of your defenders is a big key, being a good passer in general is a big key (that is the case with all three of the guys I mentioned), also makes a difference how a defense defends the post feeder, a shooter like Reggie should have an easier time feeding the post because defenders played up on him.

                                INcorrectly feeding the post - telegraphing the pass, lobbing the pass too much, passing the ball either too early or too late is huge - timing is vital - the post player much have position. Also an important factor is the position of the post feeder, don't pass the ball until you have good position and that is dependent upon the defense

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