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Ben Wallace Arrested (Drunk Driving/Concealed Weapon)

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  • #31
    Re: Ben Wallace Arrested (Drunk Driving/Concealed Weapon)

    Originally posted by Kstat View Post
    Nobody ever got hurt, aside from bumps and bruises, nobody was ever rendered physically unable to play. It was all about intimidation.
    Uh.....Rudy T?

    I know you're going to say you weren't talking about other teams, but the discussion has moved past Detroit and entered into an attitude mode.

    When you celebrate violence, it tends to snowball into more violence.

    Good nose hard defense can be played without body slamming someone to the floor. You can give someone a hard foul, without taking out their legs. They don't go hand in hand.
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    • #32
      Re: Ben Wallace Arrested (Drunk Driving/Concealed Weapon)

      Nobody celebrated the 1977 LA Lakers. We also didn't undercut anybody.

      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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      • #33
        Re: Ben Wallace Arrested (Drunk Driving/Concealed Weapon)

        Originally posted by cdash View Post
        I hate agreeing with Kstat, but it's kind of a point of pride for Pistons fans, and if it were the Pacers background, I'm sure most of us would look back just as fondly on it. The rest of the league (and fans) hated the hell out of those Piston teams and their dirty tactics.
        Teams used to have all sorts of players bring guns into the lockerroom. Whether or not that's part of a franchises history is moot. It's wrong and it's dangerous.

        Scottie Pippen even with his pee soaked shorts is still one of the best defenders of all time. He didn't need to try and hurt people in order to be great. Same goes for Bill Russell.

        You don't have to celebrate acts of violence to appreciate good defense and strong willed teams.
        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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        • #34
          Re: Ben Wallace Arrested (Drunk Driving/Concealed Weapon)

          Originally posted by Kstat View Post
          Nobody celebrated the 1977 LA Lakers. We also didn't undercut anybody.
          So it's not okay to undercut someone, but it's okay to tackle them in the air, or throw punches? Good to know.

          Those are things the Pistons, and Pacers did do. Those are things that they shouldn't have done as well.
          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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          • #35
            Re: Ben Wallace Arrested (Drunk Driving/Concealed Weapon)

            Originally posted by Since86 View Post

            Scottie Pippen even with his pee soaked shorts is still one of the best defenders of all time. He didn't need to try and hurt people in order to be great. Same goes for Bill Russell.
            OK, first off, Pippen needed Michael Jordan to be great. Without him he goes down as the guy that pouted and took his ball with him when the last play was drawn up for someone else.

            Second, Bill Russell was physical as hell.

            It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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            • #36
              Re: Ben Wallace Arrested (Drunk Driving/Concealed Weapon)

              Originally posted by Since86 View Post
              So it's not okay to undercut someone, but it's okay to tackle them in the air, or throw punches? Good to know.
              You know what? yep. Be a man and shoot your free throws. There wasn't coddling back then.

              The great players like Bird and Jordan kept coming at us no matter how much they got hit. That's what made them great, and I respected them more for it.

              Players like Pippen and McHale? not so much.

              You don't have to celebrate acts of violence to appreciate good defense and strong willed teams.
              Basketball is a contact sport, or at least it was. If I can't go out on to a blacktop without an appropriate fear of getting slammed on my *** on hard concrete, professionals getting paid millions should be able to deal with the same force on a hardwood floor.

              This is basketball. Not ballet.
              Last edited by Kstat; 09-30-2011, 12:09 PM.

              It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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              • #37
                Re: Ben Wallace Arrested (Drunk Driving/Concealed Weapon)

                Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                OK, first off, Pippen needed Michael Jordan to be great. Without him he goes down as the guy that pouted and took his ball with him when the last play was drawn up for someone else.

                Second, Bill Russell was physical as hell.
                When MJ left for baseball, Pippen led a very weak cast to 50 plus wins, and a BS call by I think it was Steve Javey on the infamous Hubert Davis 3pt foul keep the Bulls from the Finals that year

                yes he was a pouting baby on the play designed to go to kukoc, but he was one HELL of a defender and would be that with or without MJ

                When we played them last in the playoffs he absoltuely took Mark Jackson out of the game

                Pip could guard almost every position on the floor except center

                HE might be one of the best on ball defeneders the NBA has ever seen

                Gary Payton was great as well
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                • #38
                  Re: Ben Wallace Arrested (Drunk Driving/Concealed Weapon)

                  Pippen is a deserving HoFer, but without Jordan his resume is defined by the Kucoc moment. The guy just wasn't a leader.

                  God forbid the Bulls lost that game because he wasn't out there, then his phantom foul in game 5 loses them the series.

                  It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Ben Wallace Arrested (Drunk Driving/Concealed Weapon)

                    Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                    You know what? yep. Be a man and shoot your free throws. There wasn't coddling back then.

                    The great players like Bird and Jordan kept coming at us no matter how much they got hit. That's what made them great, and I respected them more for it.

                    Players like Pippen and McHale? not so much.



                    Basketball is a contact sport, or at least it was. If I can't go out on to a blacktop without an appropriate fear of getting slammed on my *** on hard concrete, professionals getting paid millions should be able to deal with the same force on a hardwood floor.

                    This is basketball. Not ballet.
                    Some of my favorite games, contrary to the conventional wisdom of the league, were the physical wars the Pacers and Pistons had prior to 11/19. Those were chess matches every bit as much as they were rugby scrums at times, with some high level execution required to overcome the physicality.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Ben Wallace Arrested (Drunk Driving/Concealed Weapon)

                      I enjoyed those scrums as well.

                      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Ben Wallace Arrested (Drunk Driving/Concealed Weapon)

                        Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                        OK, first off, Pippen needed Michael Jordan to be great. Without him he goes down as the guy that pouted and took his ball with him when the last play was drawn up for someone else.
                        Okay? Who Scottie's teammates were or weren't has nothing to do with the topic.


                        Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                        Second, Bill Russell was physical as hell.
                        Okay? Being phsyical doesn't mean you're handing out dirty plays.
                        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Ben Wallace Arrested (Drunk Driving/Concealed Weapon)

                          Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                          You know what? yep. Be a man and shoot your free throws. There wasn't coddling back then.

                          The great players like Bird and Jordan kept coming at us no matter how much they got hit. That's what made them great, and I respected them more for it.

                          Players like Pippen and McHale? not so much.
                          When you take someone's legs out from under them, don't be surprised when they get up and start swinging. Having your legs taken out from underneath you, or getting hit with some other dirty play isn't about shooting freethrows. It's about punks going OVER the line with their play.



                          Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                          Basketball is a contact sport, or at least it was. If I can't go out on to a blacktop without an appropriate fear of getting slammed on my *** on hard concrete, professionals getting paid millions should be able to deal with the same force on a hardwood floor.

                          This is basketball. Not ballet.
                          I didn't say they couldn't be phsyical, or they couldn't foul hard, or that they couldn't have contact.

                          There's a difference between being dirty, and being phsyical. You don't have to be dirty in order to be phsyical.
                          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Ben Wallace Arrested (Drunk Driving/Concealed Weapon)

                            Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                            Pippen is a deserving HoFer, but without Jordan his resume is defined by the Kucoc moment. The guy just wasn't a leader.

                            God forbid the Bulls lost that game because he wasn't out there, then his phantom foul in game 5 loses them the series.
                            True

                            So applying that thinking

                            Was Joe Dumars great because of Isiaha Thomas ? Do you think he would have been great or very good on an average team where he was the main guy?
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                            • #44
                              Re: Ben Wallace Arrested (Drunk Driving/Concealed Weapon)

                              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                              OK, first off, Pippen needed Michael Jordan to be great.


                              Looks like you need to brush up on your history.
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                              • #45
                                Re: Ben Wallace Arrested (Drunk Driving/Concealed Weapon)

                                Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                                True

                                So applying that thinking

                                Was Joe Dumars great because of Isiaha Thomas ? Do you think he would have been great or very good on an average team where he was the main guy?
                                Well, he was the best player on the Pistons for 3-year window between Isiah and Grant Hill. His scoring increased significantly during that span, and he was 2nd team all-NBA in 1993 next to Jordan. It certainly suggests that Dumars would have had better statistics on a worse team, but the pistons didn't really go anywhere.

                                Dumars was and will always be an interesting case in the hall of fame because, much like Pippen, he was unique as a two-way star, and vital as a championship piece. However, all of his team success came as a secondary offensive option.

                                Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                                Okay? Who Scottie's teammates were or weren't has nothing to do with the topic.

                                They have everything to do with it. When you have Michael Jordan fighting most of your battles for you, you don't need to be overly physical. The Bad Boys didn't have a Jordan, or a Bird, or a Magic. They could either be like everyone else and accept the status quo, or they could change the game. They took the latter option. They didn't ***** and whine that the league was unfair and geared too much towards the mega-stars. They altered their style of play to even the odds.
                                Last edited by Kstat; 09-30-2011, 04:01 PM.

                                It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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