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    I don't think it's a money issue either. I mean, I think 99% of the fans think he's done for the season as it is. Him not being on IR doesn't seem to be giving anyone hope that he's coming back and they know that, so it's hard to argue that they are doing it for money reasons.

    Might as well keep him on the roster if you aren't 100% certain that he's done. I think it's extremely doubtful that we'll still be in contention in late November, but you never know. I'm still not convinced that Houston is all that so it's possible that 8-8 could still take that division. At least we know that Peyton is still alive and has been walking around at practice lately. Might as well keep him around, because the tiny % chance he plays is still better than most guys' who'd you pick up to replace him.
    I wonder if the Colts are out of contention in mid December if we see Manning? I think its possible.

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    Then why doesn't he shut down his career now instead of putting his body through more football?

    Doesn't it make a little bit more sense for him to talk to his doctors, the highly paid specialists, rather than taking the word of someone over the internet?

    I have a hard time believing someone on a message board over the word of doctors.

    And speaking of heart attacks, not all of them are the same. Some people never knew they've had heart attacks until they go see their doctor and get an EKG done and they see the dead issue of the heart. But then again, all heart attacks are fatal right? Obviously you didn't say that, but you're trying to apply the rules to one injury to the other.

    Let's face it, we've not been told a whole lot about the situation. How can someone give out a diagnosis without seeing the patient, their charts, their scans, or talking to the doctors that did the procedure? You can't.


    The Colts/Manning/his doctors can't decide whether or not he's done for the season, and you're saying he's done for his career.

    I wonder which side is working with a full deck of information. Hard choice to decide.

    EDIT: And once again, I'm not saying he will come back. I'm saying you guys need to slow down and actually let time run it's course. There's no need for us, on a message board, to try and formulate opinions about situations we know very little. What's wrong with simply waiting to find out more information?

    If Dec, or whenever rolls around, and he's still not better. Put him on IR.
    If he's still having issues after the offseason, then retire.

    But there's no point in making those decisions now especially when the specialists simply don't know. If they don't know, I'm supposed to take the word of someone over the internet? Kind of a stretch.
    i have no idea why you come to the conclusions you do from how people respond to you. I never said his career is over. i just said he needs to really heal so the fusion is complete and not at risk. i also said that the fusion will cause him problems in the future because he is now missing a disk and that places added pressure on other disks. This isn't rocket science and you don't need a degree to understand this. You make inferences that just don't make sense given various responses. And your comments about heart attacks are just unanswerable. Dead tissue is just that meaning the heart is damaged which is what i said.We are talking about the generalities of spinal fusions and if you want to believe that Manning is somehow above mortal injury go ahead but just stop telling people they don't know what they're talking about because they don't have a doctorate.

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    I'm saying you don't know what you're talking about, not because you don't have a doctorate, but because even the freaking doctors don't know what is exactly going on.

    How many specialists has he seen so far? He's had THREE different surgeries. Which either means it's a pretty significant problem that can't be fixed all in one time, or they really don't know what to do because mutliple doctors have different opinions.

    If Peyton's own doctors don't know exactly what is going on, then how in the hell do YOU know?

    That's right, you don't.

    Trying to formulate an opinion on whether or not he should be put on IR, when you don't have any details serves what purpose exactly?


    Not one person has answered the question I've posed multiple times. What harm does it do to simply wait? I can't think of any drawbacks.

    What good does it do to rush to judgement and make a decision with with half the story? I can think of a lot of drawbacks.

    A lot of different questions need to be answered before you decide what the next course of action is.



    I've never said Manning will be okay. I've said we don't know what will happen. If you can't see the difference, then I don't know what to tell you.

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    I'm saying you don't know what you're talking about, not because you don't have a doctorate, but because even the freaking doctors don't know what is exactly going on.

    How many specialists has he seen so far? He's had THREE different surgeries. Which either means it's a pretty significant problem that can't be fixed all in one time, or they really don't know what to do because mutliple doctors have different opinions.

    If Peyton's own doctors don't know exactly what is going on, then how in the hell do YOU know?

    That's right, you don't.

    Trying to formulate an opinion on whether or not he should be put on IR, when you don't have any details serves what purpose exactly?


    Not one person has answered the question I've posed multiple times. What harm does it do to simply wait? I can't think of any drawbacks.

    What good does it do to rush to judgement and make a decision with with half the story? I can think of a lot of drawbacks.

    A lot of different questions need to be answered before you decide what the next course of action is.



    I've never said Manning will be okay. I've said we don't know what will happen. If you can't see the difference, then I don't know what to tell you.
    I don't think the guy is claiming that the Manning's should seek him for advice or that he he knows more than the doctors know. He's making very general observations and stating what he thinks they should do. There is no need to react in the antagonistic way that you appear to be doing. My opinion, as always.

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    I'm saying you don't know what you're talking about, not because you don't have a doctorate, but because even the freaking doctors don't know what is exactly going on.

    How many specialists has he seen so far? He's had THREE different surgeries. Which either means it's a pretty significant problem that can't be fixed all in one time, or they really don't know what to do because mutliple doctors have different opinions.

    If Peyton's own doctors don't know exactly what is going on, then how in the hell do YOU know?

    That's right, you don't.

    Trying to formulate an opinion on whether or not he should be put on IR, when you don't have any details serves what purpose exactly?


    Not one person has answered the question I've posed multiple times. What harm does it do to simply wait? I can't think of any drawbacks.

    What good does it do to rush to judgement and make a decision with with half the story? I can think of a lot of drawbacks.

    A lot of different questions need to be answered before you decide what the next course of action is.



    I've never said Manning will be okay. I've said we don't know what will happen. If you can't see the difference, then I don't know what to tell you.
    I'm done with you because you are impervious to logic or reason. You only know what they say for public consumption and not what they really know. You think Manning has some unique physical situation that no one has ever seen before?

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    I'm done with you because you are impervious to logic or reason. You only know what they say for public consumption and not what they really know. You think Manning has some unique physical situation that no one has ever seen before?
    You haven't offered any logic or reason.

    You are trying to say that you know more than his doctors. That's logical and reasonable? Hardly.

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    I don't think the guy is claiming that the Manning's should seek him for advice or that he he knows more than the doctors know. He's making very general observations and stating what he thinks they should do. There is no need to react in the antagonistic way that you appear to be doing. My opinion, as always.

    He said Peyton is done for the year and possibly next year. He didn't say he thought Peyton is done. He said he is done.

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    Peyton is not coming back this year no matter what and possibly not even next season.
    Is it semantics? Maybe. But speakout needs to say it was his opinion rather than trying to validate why he said it.



    If you're going to present something as a fact, I'm going to ask you how you know that as a fact. I fully expect someone to hold me to the same standards.

    I asked if he was a doctor, and he told me he didn't need to be a doctor to know. How can he know how the situation is going to play out when Peyton's doctor doesn't even know?

    Not only that, but he then he starts trying to say that the doctors might be liable for the setbacks.

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    Two failed surgeries and then taking a chance of a third failure by not waiting out the full recovery period borders on malpractice on the part of the docs who might clear him.
    There is simply no way of knowing this sort of stuff unless you've been present during the consultation. For all we know his doctors have been advising him to do other things, but Peyton has disagreed.
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