Bummer. Hoping it wouldn't come to this...
Bummer. Hoping it wouldn't come to this...
Not surprising. He was never going to play a down this season.
Irsay corrected this on Twitter recently.
Left door open to a Dec return
Was gonna say, this isn't anything new.
This team probably won't win more than 3 games without Manning. Still, there are bright spots in this dismal season. O-Line is already much improved over last year, and our running backs actually have holes they can run through. Angerer is a breakout player. Nevis is going to wreak havoc by the 6th week, which will only help Mathis and Freeney get more sacks/pressure.
The only thing I don't understand is that it doesn't take long for Freeney and Mathis to get to the QB, yet the coaches have our CBs play off recievers by 5-10 yarda giving the opposing QB easy under routes. Play up on the damn receivers and jam them, giving our rushers more time to get at the QB. That's so damn frustrating to me.
Sorry for the spelling. I'm typing this in Venezuela from a spanish computer, so my words get translated back to spanish sometimes.
Last edited by Sparhawk; 09-26-2011 at 01:03 PM. Reason: spelling
1. Pacers trade up for Justice Winslow
2. Take WCS or Stanley Johnson (this is the theory of a player falling); Make trades (Hibbert/West/others) for additional picks - George Lucas and Rakeem Christmas are players I'd love to have with a late first/early 2nd round
3. Trey Lyles
I'm sure my opinion will change many times before the draft though.
This is something most of us assumed all along. Official or not, I'd be absolutely shocked to see Peyton come back this season. To be honest, I don't even want him to. I want him to be 100% healthy and ready to go for next season. This season is lost.
The doctors don't want him on the sidelines (not sure 'till when) because they were concerned that something might happen, he might get hit and screw things up. And we're supposed to listen to a babbling idiot say maybe December ??
I still say Manning coming to us was very very lucky especially since he didn't go the season before like many thought he would back then Belichick was the coach in waiting and the Jets had the #1 pick that year.
Think how the NFL would be so different.
That being said even Stevie Wonder could see this coming.
Irsay knows as soon as he puts Manning on IR that fans will not give up the $$$$ to go the games etc
I just wish they would go ahead and IR him so we could bring in someone to replace his roster spot. I wonder if Garrard would consider Indy.
I didn't realize that the Colts were out of the AFC South race after ONE divisional game.
If he's back by decemeber, they would have played 3 AFC South games. The one they've already played against Houston, then they have the Titans on Oct 30, and Jax on Nov. 13.
Both games are winnable without Manning. Win one of them, or hell even both, and you're right in the thick of a AFC South title. You'd have one game left against all of them. Win out and you'd be at 5-1. Houston would need to lose another along the way, but anything is possible in the NFL.
Either way, trying to say that the Colts should shutdown Manning already, regardless, is stupid because you don't know what's going to happen around the league.
Maybe in Dec. shutting him down is the right call. But not now.
Last edited by Since86; 09-27-2011 at 11:52 AM.
I've had this same argument with my dad. Why would you even want to see a Kerry Collins led team to the playoffs? What would that possibly accomplish. They wouldn't be close to super bowl contenders and would just be a stepping stone for another playoff team. No thanks. Rest Manning and get draft high quality talent for his final few years.
I didn't think they'd lose to the Steelers by 3 either but they did.
What a horrible argument. "I don't think they can, so I don't even want them to try." Yeah, that attitude is really beneficial for any topic.
EDIT: Maybe they should just go ahead and forfeit all the rest of their games, since they have no shot at winning. This way you get to save their bodies and let them heal the injuries they already have.
It's a win-win for everyone!
Last edited by Since86; 09-27-2011 at 12:30 PM.
I don't know what is so bad about my argument. We are 0-3 and the offense looks pathetic. Defense looked good against by far the worst o-line in the NFL. They have given no indication that they are a playoff team. They look closer to the worse team in the league than a playoff team.
I'd much rather spend a year losing then watch Manning spend the rest of his career carrying an entire team, coaching staff, and front office like he has for a while now.
I don't think keeping him off IR has much to do with legitimately thinking the team'll be in the playoff hunt. I think, if he's healthy and cleared and all that, they want to see him in game action to get some kind of idea what to do in the draft and the offseason. Don't play him for whole games, just certain situations, give him a few series, a couple redzone opportunities should they present themselves.
It's not some conspiracy to sell tickets or something, even though there's portions of the fanbase that simply HATE everything about Bill Polian so he must be up to something downright evil. It's about hopefully having a more clear idea about what Peyton's future holds.
Because games are actually played on the field, rather than on paper.
How many games are decided on paper, or decided on what people thought were going to happen? Why play the games if the outcome is based on what people think?
That's a horrible way to attack life, and certainly a horrible way to attack professional sports.
Did anyone actually think the Bills would beat the Pats last week? No, but it happened.
Everyone was calling the Eagles "the Dream Team" and ready to hand them the title a month ago. Now they're 1-2 with their star QB nursing two different injuries in two weeks.
What would happen if Shaub tore his ACL next week, or what if both he and Andre Johnson went down? It's completely possible.
Just play the damn games and see where you're at in Dec. instead of trying to guess what everyone else is going to do.
Your best case scenario:
10/3 at Tampa; certain loss.
10/9 vs K.C.; best case winnable
10/16 at Cincy; best case winnable
10/23 at N.O.; certain loss
10/30 at Tennesse; called a win
11/6 vs Atlanta; certain loss
11/13 vs Jags; called a win
11/27 vs Carolina; best case winnable
So in the absolute best case scenario, Peyton comes back to a team that is sitting at 5-6 then has to play back to back games on the road in New England and Baltimore. I'd say it is safe to say those two are losses. Then you say he can win the final three division games. Which puts us at 8-8. All Houston has to do to eliminate us, even in this pie-in-the-sky scenario, is go 7-6 the rest of the way. With home games against Oakland, Jacksonville, Cleveland, Carolina, and Tennessee left ln the slate, 5 wins look like a lock. At Cincinnati is a lock. They only need to go 1-5 on the road against Baltimore, Tennessee, Tampa Bay, and Jacksonville and home against Pittsburgh and Atlanta to make it mathematically impossible for us to make the playoffs.
I'd say putting Peyton on the IR isn't just the correct move, it's a necessary move.
"I had to take her down like Chris Brown."
Except the fact that the 2008 Chargers made the playoffs, after starting out 4-8.
The point remains the same. ANYTHING can happen in the NFL. ANYTHING.
To quote Dennis Green "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!" Trying to say that you're already out of a 16 week race, 3 weeks into it is niave at best and dumb at worst.
The Colts will win games, like you said, because not everything is won on paper and sometimes the ball goes the other way. But you seem to think they are capable of competing for a championship and I've seen absolutely nothing in pre season nor the regular season to tell me that is even remotely possible. What you seem to be banking on for wins is called luck, which only results in wins every so often. You need good QB play, a good defense, and most of all talent to win in the playoffs and I don't see really any of that on the current Colts.
And if you're banking on Peyton coming back midseason I think you're crazy. IT's already been admitted by Irsay he's done for the year. And even if he were able to come back, just read BRushWithDeath's post.
No, it's not been admitted he's out for the year or they would have put him on IR. The media has a tendency to report things from their own perspective, instead of how it was actually said.
I'm not banking on Peyton to be back. In fact, I actually do hope they get the #1 pick and then trade it, or Luck, away and get more pieces rather than a backup QB for the next 3 years.
But regardless, it's still to early to know if he will or won't be back. Obviously, considering he's not on IR. Why not make the decision in decemeber, or whenever he might be ready, instead of basing the decision what you think might happen?
What harm does it do? One roster spot isn't going to make or break the season in any direction. No need to rush the decision just to make a decision.
I understand what he was saying. But those decisions should be left up to the professionals. Not those of us who play doctor on an internet message board.
We don't know anything about what is going on. The colts are one of the best teams in the league about keeping confidential information, confidential. We don't know the severity. We shouldn't act like we do.
Why is it bad to wait to make an informed decision?
Waiting doesn't mean play him. Waiting means waiting.
The only reason why I think he's not on IR at this point is because Irsay likes the color green. You sell more tickets if there is a chance of a comeback and his freudain slip up yesterday only gave me more reasons to believe that they have no intentions of bringing him back this year.
All that being said I have no problem waiting as long as he doesn't get behind a line thats already knocked out one starter in only 3 games.