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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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    Netflix rebranding (and a new name)

    Got an email from them this A.M.
    http://blog.netflix.com/


    I messed up. I owe everyone an explanation.

    It is clear from the feedback over the past two months that many members felt we lacked respect and humility in the way we announced the separation of DVD and streaming, and the price changes. That was certainly not our intent, and I offer my sincere apology. I’ll try to explain how this happened.

    For the past five years, my greatest fear at Netflix has been that we wouldn't make the leap from success in DVDs to success in streaming. Most companies that are great at something – like AOL dialup or Borders bookstores – do not become great at new things people want (streaming for us) because they are afraid to hurt their initial business. Eventually these companies realize their error of not focusing enough on the new thing, and then the company fights desperately and hopelessly to recover. Companies rarely die from moving too fast, and they frequently die from moving too slowly.

    When Netflix is evolving rapidly, however, I need to be extra-communicative. This is the key thing I got wrong.

    In hindsight, I slid into arrogance based upon past success. We have done very well for a long time by steadily improving our service, without doing much CEO communication. Inside Netflix I say, “Actions speak louder than words,” and we should just keep improving our service.

    But now I see that given the huge changes we have been recently making, I should have personally given a full justification to our members of why we are separating DVD and streaming, and charging for both. It wouldn’t have changed the price increase, but it would have been the right thing to do.

    So here is what we are doing and why:

    Many members love our DVD service, as I do, because nearly every movie ever made is published on DVD, plus lots of TV series. We want to advertise the breadth of our incredible DVD offering so that as many people as possible know it still exists, and it is a great option for those who want the huge and comprehensive selection on DVD. DVD by mail may not last forever, but we want it to last as long as possible.

    I also love our streaming service because it is integrated into my TV, and I can watch anytime I want. The benefits of our streaming service are really quite different from the benefits of DVD by mail. We feel we need to focus on rapid improvement as streaming technology and the market evolve, without having to maintain compatibility with our DVD by mail service.

    So we realized that streaming and DVD by mail are becoming two quite different businesses, with very different cost structures, different benefits that need to be marketed differently, and we need to let each grow and operate independently. It’s hard for me to write this after over 10 years of mailing DVDs with pride, but we think it is necessary and best: In a few weeks, we will rename our DVD by mail service to “Qwikster”.
    We chose the name Qwikster because it refers to quick delivery. We will keep the name “Netflix” for streaming.

    Qwikster will be the same website and DVD service that everyone is used to. It is just a new name, and DVD members will go to qwikster.com to access their DVD queues and choose movies. One improvement we will make at launch is to add a video games upgrade option, similar to our upgrade option for Blu-ray, for those who want to rent Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 games. Members have been asking for video games for many years, and now that DVD by mail has its own team, we are finally getting it done.

    Other improvements will follow. Another advantage of separate websites is simplicity for our members. Each website will be focused on just one thing (DVDs or streaming) and will be even easier to use. A negative of the renaming and separation is that the Qwikster.com and Netflix.com websites will not be integrated. So if you subscribe to both services, and if you need to change your credit card or email address, you would need to do it in two places. Similarly, if you rate or review a movie on Qwikster, it doesn’t show up on Netflix, and vice-versa.

    There are no pricing changes (we’re done with that!). Members who subscribe to both services will have two entries on their credit card statements, one for Qwikster and one for Netflix. The total will be the same as the current charges.
    ....
    For me the Netflix red envelope has always been a source of joy. The new envelope is still that distinctive red, but now it will have a Qwikster logo. I know that logo will grow on me over time, but still, it is hard. I imagine it will be the same for many of you. We’ll also return to marketing our DVD by mail service, with its amazing selection, now with the Qwikster brand.
    -Reed Hastings, Co-Founder and CEO, Netflix
    It is super early in the morning, but it seems like there are mixed emotions on the netflix blog right now. Lots of complaints about having to use to diffrent sites, and quite a few people feel the name selection for the new entity was horrible
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    Re: Netflix rebranding (and a new name)

    So in other words, "We have totally ripped you off by changing the pricing and structure of our services with little notice, so now we're just going to separate them by name to make it look like it was justified." Nice try, *******.

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      Re: Netflix rebranding (and a new name)

      Good thing I just use the streaming service weeeeeeee


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        Re: Netflix rebranding (and a new name)

        oink oink.... where's the lipstick...
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

        -John Wooden

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          Re: Netflix rebranding (and a new name)

          Well, in case anyone missed it, the big news here is that Gamefly finally has a competitor. Maybe now, along with Redbox offering limited games as well, we'll finally start to see some price drops in that area.

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            Re: Netflix rebranding (and a new name)

            How long do we honestly see Qwikster staying around? 5 years? To me they are separating them legally so netflix doesn't prop Qwikster up financially.


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              Re: Netflix rebranding (and a new name)

              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
              How long do we honestly see Qwikster staying around? 5 years? To me they are separating them legally so netflix doesn't prop Qwikster up financially.
              It's conceivable that DVD's and Blu-Ray's will go the way of VHS and Laser Disc in 5 years.

              I'd put it closer to 10-15 years but there will be a day in the near future where everything is streamed.

              I think this is partly, or maybe even mostly, Netflix planning for that.
              "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

              -Lance Stephenson

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                Re: Netflix rebranding (and a new name)

                Originally posted by idioteque View Post
                So in other words, "We have totally ripped you off by changing the pricing and structure of our services with little notice, so now we're just going to separate them by name to make it look like it was justified." Nice try, *******.
                I can't consider it a rip off. Not at these prices. It's still relatively cheap IMO.

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                  Re: Netflix rebranding (and a new name)

                  Originally posted by travmil View Post
                  Well, in case anyone missed it, the big news here is that Gamefly finally has a competitor. Maybe now, along with Redbox offering limited games as well, we'll finally start to see some price drops in that area.
                  Yeah, that was the interesting part to me. I've used Gamefly off and on over the years, and never felt like I wanted to just keep it full time between the price and the unavailability of hot new games. Hopefully Qwikster will do better and/or force Gamefly to be better.

                  I couldn't care less how dumb the new name is as long as the product is a good one, and I've always been happy with Netflix's disc mailing operation.

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                    Re: Netflix rebranding (and a new name)

                    Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
                    It's conceivable that DVD's and Blu-Ray's will go the way of VHS and Laser Disc in 5 years.

                    I'd put it closer to 10-15 years but there will be a day in the near future where everything is streamed.

                    I think this is partly, or maybe even mostly, Netflix planning for that.
                    Unless the government mandates broadband for everyone and starts requiring providers to cover areas they otherwise ignore, as well as bans or curtails bandwidth limitations then streaming won't be replacing DVD's and Blu-Rays in the immediate future... or even the distant future. Something else might replace them in their current form but that is another discussion.

                    Streaming quality might suffer in order to try and fudge around bandwidth limitations here in the short term as providers try and go that direction.
                    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                    -John Wooden

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                      I think eventually "everyone" will have access because fiber optic lines (depending on the kind used) can go several kilometers without attenuation (like 30km or so). With enough money, this can and should happen.

                      Also, at the same time you have wireless speeds going up and up. Eventually those speeds could provide everyone with some double-digit megabits per second rates, too.

                      Otherwise, if someone is living somewhere so remote that fiber optics and/or cellular signals can't possibly reach them by, say, the year 2020, I think at that point it's on them to figure out a way to catch up with society if they want to have a say in this kind of thing.

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                        Re: Netflix rebranding (and a new name)

                        Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
                        It's conceivable that DVD's and Blu-Ray's will go the way of VHS and Laser Disc in 5 years.

                        I'd put it closer to 10-15 years but there will be a day in the near future where everything is streamed.

                        I think this is partly, or maybe even mostly, Netflix planning for that.
                        Yep, exactly my point.


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                          Re: Netflix rebranding (and a new name)

                          Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                          I think eventually "everyone" will have access because fiber optic lines (depending on the kind used) can go several kilometers without attenuation (like 30km or so). With enough money, this can and should happen.

                          Also, at the same time you have wireless speeds going up and up. Eventually those speeds could provide everyone with some double-digit megabits per second rates, too.

                          Otherwise, if someone is living somewhere so remote that fiber optics and/or cellular signals can't possibly reach them by, say, the year 2020, I think at that point it's on them to figure out a way to catch up with society if they want to have a say in this kind of thing.
                          This neglects the bandwidth restriction that cell providers and satellite put on users that pretty much makes downloading/streaming movies a non-starter. Plus, regular providers are getting into the bandwidth restriction game as well... whether they have a reason or not....

                          Getting high speed internet is one thing.... getting unfettered access to high speed internet is another....
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                          ------

                          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                          -John Wooden

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                            Re: Netflix rebranding (and a new name)

                            You didn't even mention fiber optics. As for 'regular providers' getting into the bandwidth restriction game, yeah, at monthly levels that would only disturb the activities of heavy torrent downloaders who typically pirate software and movies. The number last I checked with Comcast was something like 160gigabytes a month. That can't possibly interfere with 99.9% of people who use the Internet.

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                              Re: Netflix rebranding (and a new name)

                              It is clear that for many of our members two websites would make things more difficult, so we are going to keep Netflix as one place to go for streaming and DVDs.

                              This means no change: one website, one account, one password… in other words, no Qwikster.

                              While the July price change was necessary, we are now done with price changes.

                              We’re constantly improving our streaming selection. We’ve recently added hundreds of movies from Paramount, Sony, Universal, Fox, Warner Bros., Lionsgate, MGM and Miramax. Plus, in the last couple of weeks alone, we’ve added over 3,500 TV episodes from ABC, NBC, FOX, CBS, USA, E!, Nickelodeon, Disney Channel, ABC Family, Discovery Channel, TLC, SyFy, A&E, History, and PBS.

                              We value our members, and we are committed to making Netflix the best place to get movies & TV shows.

                              Thank you.

                              -Reed

                              http://blog.netflix.com/2011/10/dvds...etflixcom.html

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