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    My feeling is you'll see Patterson back at IU.

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    My feeling is you'll see Patterson back at IU.
    I think for that to happen we would have to lose a couple underclassmen to the NBA draft. We already are going to need one underclassmen to transfer or declare early and thats without the 5th expected recruit. Hopefully Anya

    So while you might be right, I hope it doesn't happen. Because likely the only underclassmen to declare would be Yogi and Cody. And I am still praying to the basketball gods that both of those guys stick around.

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    My feeling is you'll see Patterson back at IU.
    I'll take that bet.

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    My feeling is you'll see Patterson back at IU.
    I think you're more likely to see Bob Knight back at IU.
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    I think you're more likely to see Bob Knight back at IU.
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    Then I look forward to seeing Bob Knight at next year's hoosier hysteria.

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    They also went and visited with John Wall's teachers, coachs etc, same with Eric Bledsoe. Wall had to repay some funds and missed a couple of games. I would rather they do their due diligence now as opposed to after the season is over.

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    Like the NCAA will do anything to Kentucky. Even if something did take place they will brush ot under the rug just like the UNC shennanigans(sp)

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    Of course not. Crean seems to be an honorable guy for the most part. But he's certainly not stupid. If there was an open scholarship right now, this would be a non-issue because Patterson would be at IU. There was a crunch, Patterson had an academic issue (which is relatively minor and in major college basketball, yes even IU, would never result a pulled scholarship) which made him the easy boot. It essentially gave Crean the out he was looking for. If it'd been a far more important player, like Yogi, the cut would would have come somewhere else and the academic issue wouldn't have even been mentioned anywhere.

    While I don't care one way or the other, it would seem better if it would have happened sooner so that Patterson would have a real opportunity to land somewhere else this year. By taking it right to the deadline it basically forces him to attend prep school since he doesn't have the time to get to another 4 year school. This may end up being in his best interest anyway but he should have that choice.
    This is an absolute lie. You should be ashamed for posting such unsubstantiated drivel. If IU had an open scholarship, Patterson would STILL not be at IU because he didn't get good enough grades to be admitted to the school. That is a FACT that is not up for debate. Tom Crean does not determine whether or not his players get into IU. What kind of a tin foil hat wearing nutjob do you have to be to think he has that sort of control?

    The fact that you root for a podunk little school that has seen its 15 minutes of fame pass by is no justification for delving into absurd conjecture.

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    This is an absolute lie. You should be ashamed for posting such unsubstantiated drivel. If IU had an open scholarship, Patterson would STILL not be at IU because he didn't get good enough grades to be admitted to the school. That is a FACT that is not up for debate. Tom Crean does not determine whether or not his players get into IU. What kind of a tin foil hat wearing nutjob do you have to be to think he has that sort of control?

    The fact that you root for a podunk little school that has seen its 15 minutes of fame pass by is no justification for delving into absurd conjecture.
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    Ok.
    I mean, you had to know that was coming

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    I mean, you had to know that was coming
    He's right though. I am ashamed. I shouldn't ever think the head coach of a D-1 school's premier sport would have any sort of power beyond X's and O's. I'm changing my ways. The tin foil hat is now in the garbage.

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    Cone of shame?

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    Cone of shame?
    If I was any good at Photoshop I would totally put the cone on my Hans Blix puppet after that deserved tongue lashing I received.
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    This is an absolute lie. You should be ashamed for posting such unsubstantiated drivel. If IU had an open scholarship, Patterson would STILL not be at IU because he didn't get good enough grades to be admitted to the school. That is a FACT that is not up for debate. Tom Crean does not determine whether or not his players get into IU. What kind of a tin foil hat wearing nutjob do you have to be to think he has that sort of control?

    The fact that you root for a podunk little school that has seen its 15 minutes of fame pass by is no justification for delving into absurd conjecture.
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    Dakich is ripping Crean today about Matt Roth. hoosierguy must be pissed.

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    Dakich is ripping Crean today about Matt Roth. hoosierguy must be pissed.
    I will say the Patterson deal didn't bother me. It was a little shady but nothing out of line with the rest of college basketball.

    I haven't listened to Dakich today but the Matt Roth deal is much, much slimier in my opinion. He should have had a scholarship if he wanted one. And all indications are that he did. There were no academic issues. There were no behaviorial issues. To force a guy with a full year's elgibility out of the program simply because he's no longer needed is wrong.

    But that is probably just my tin foil hat poking its evil head out of the trash can.
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    I will say the Patterson deal didn't bother me. It was a little shady but nothing out of line with the rest of college basketball.

    I haven't listened to Dakich today but the Matt Roth deal is much, much slimier in my opinion. He should have had a scholarship if he wanted one. And all indications are that he did. There were no academic issues. There were no behaviorial issues. To force a guy with a full year's elgibility out of the program simply because he's no longer needed is wrong.

    But that is probably just my tin foil hat poking its evil head out of the trash can.
    I agree with this for the most part. I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little put off by some of these so called "Creaning" methods he has displayed. I mean I knew this was coming with Roth, but reading some of the details (I didn't even hear Dakich's opinion) just makes it sound crappy. I love that our program appears to be thriving again and that we are in a position to weed out talented players to play for us, but this just seems in poor form.

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    I would feel worse of this if Roth hadnt already gotten his degree. Part of me thinks that its better to leave the scholarship to somebody without a college degree

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    In an era when you need to get verbal commitments 3-4 years in advance, I am not sure how you effectively PLAN for someone getting a 5th year, on scholarship, occurring only because of an injury redshirt.

    I would have also liked for it to happen, but it seems a little more complicated than just deciding to do it. I am sure the choices are 1)he could have walked on 2) somebody committed has to be dropped 3)somebody else has to walk on
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    food for thought...

    Roth needs to be enrolled in classes to even be eligible. Period.

    In order for him to be enrolled in classes and be eligible, he would need to be in a graduate program, Ph.D. or a different masters program. The application process for such a program would need to have started quite awhile ago (many many months).

    It appears that Roth did not apply for, or enroll in, a program that would make him eligible to play this season. He apparently took little/no steps to make himself eligible. As it stands right now, Crean wouldn't be able to bring Roth onto the team even if there were 13 scholarship spots available for him.

    How this did not get communicated to him or between him and Crean, I don't know.

    In an interview, Don Fisher said that he knew Roth probably wouldn't be back at the end of last season, and his understanding was that Roth had let Crean know that he "wanted to move on with his life and get a job" and that is why he was in senior day.
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    I understand it, I get it, and since I am a fan of the team and our coach, I will do mental gymnastics to justify it. To me, it just sucks that a guy who was there when the team had nobody else and a program was at it's ultimate deep point, gets pushed aside right before the ascent is complete. I know he has two degrees from IU and all that, I just feel bad for the guy. I don't necessarily blame Crean and the staff, I just don't like the system that allows such things to go happen.

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    Roth sets the record straight in interview

    http://indiana.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1401618
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    I will say the Patterson deal didn't bother me. It was a little shady but nothing out of line with the rest of college basketball.

    I haven't listened to Dakich today but the Matt Roth deal is much, much slimier in my opinion. He should have had a scholarship if he wanted one. And all indications are that he did. There were no academic issues. There were no behaviorial issues. To force a guy with a full year's elgibility out of the program simply because he's no longer needed is wrong.

    But that is probably just my tin foil hat poking its evil head out of the trash can.
    Yes, it's so slimy that a player got four years of free education, two degrees, and was subsequently told prior to the end of last season that it was likely there would not be room for him to come back for a fifth year.

    The IU haters will not be persuaded by the truth or any amount of factual information.

    To all the PU fans chiming in on this thread- you have no absolutely no moral high ground considering what Painter did to Eric Molock or Patrick Bade.

    The non IU fans in this state are pathetically desperate to find anything to criticize IU about- it's sad.
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