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Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

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  • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

    Also, DJ White replied to some tweets by AJ Ratliff and Tracy Porter complaining about not getting Zeller the ball. DJ's response? "He has to demand it."


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    • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
      Also, is there any doubt after last night what fan base knows how to bring it better than anyone else? Assembly Hall really was a force of nature last night, Calipari basically said as much in his post game presser, had to really at those UK fans to hear that.
      I've had so many people ask me to describe the atmosphere in there and just how loud it really was, and I have nothing for them. You can't truly comprehend it unless you were in the building. Even a UK blogger said Assembly Hall was the loudest place he's ever been.

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        When they played "Throw it Up" by Lil Jon on Kirkwood last night, I actually thought it was oddly...appropriate? There were so many different ages and generations of Indiana fans there last night and they all really were "Throwing it up" for Indiana. It was incredible, the energy I expended as a fan was ridiculous. I've played sports at various levels for 20 years and I was tired as **** leaving AH last night. As fans we let it all out in those 2 hours of being in Assembly Hall. It was a madhouse, an absolute madhouse. We were ready to fight right alongside those players if we could. The upperclassmen, Verdell, Pritchard, Watford, Hulls, Elston, Roth, they all put their necks out coming here...they really did. I will never, ever take for granted what those guys have given us, and last night we stood alongside them. I have NEVER seen the alumni like they were last night. We wanted blood. It was incredible. And the student section? Being on the opposite side from them, they were just ****ing intimidating. At the opening tip, I turned to my friend, and said, "I hope Kentucky's underclassmen brought their depends." It was just that sort of atmosphere. There was a moment last night when a chant started as UK passed in the ball and the students kept it up for the entire 35 second shot clock, which is just incredibly rare anywhere. Blown...away. I don't know if I'll ever replicate an environment EXACTLY like last night, it was a combination of a proud past, a ****** past couple years, and a bright future colliding in just an atomic bomb of an atmosphere. It was amazing.

        I can say without a doubt in my mind after last night, that it really is true, in 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana, and that really does mean something. I mean we got HYPED just by them showing a James Naismith quote last night, that's how wired the place was. Can't wait for the replay tomorrow.
        Last edited by Trader Joe; 12-11-2011, 09:25 PM.


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        • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
          When they played "Throw it Up" by Lil Jon on Kirkwood last night, I actually thought it was oddly...appropriate?
          Whoever was DJing that whole Kirkwood party killed it.

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          • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

            Originally posted by cdash View Post
            Whoever was DJing that whole Kirkwood party killed it.
            Yeah, when throw it up came on right after this is indiana and i turned to my left and there was a 50ish year old lady losing her ****, I knew that this was just one of those nights that brings all sorts of people together. Here was this 50 year old white lady dancing to Lil Jon in the middle of Bloomington, Indiana...I mean seriously, what are the odds?


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            • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
              Yeah, when throw it up came on right after this is indiana and i turned to my left and there was a 50ish year old lady losing her ****, I knew that this was just one of those nights that brings all sorts of people together. Here was this 50 year old white lady dancing to Lil Jon in the middle of Bloomington, Indiana...I mean seriously, what are the odds?


              Totally saw the same lady!!! And I walked away right as This is Indiana was playing too. Did you see those people jumping up and down on the back of that truck?

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              • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

                Originally posted by cdash View Post


                Totally saw the same lady!!! And I walked away right as This is Indiana was playing too. Did you see those people jumping up and down on the back of that truck?
                Yes. I'm pretty sure they played This is INdiana 5,000 times in Bloomington last night...but strangely not at the game? I would have queued that up as soon as Watford's shot dropped down. Could you have imagined that? haha


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                • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

                  Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                  Yes. I'm pretty sure they played This is INdiana 5,000 times in Bloomington last night...but strangely not at the game? I would have queued that up as soon as Watford's shot dropped down. Could you have imagined that? haha
                  Only 5,000 times? I think I played it on my Winamp playlist 250 times since Friday night alone.
                  "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                  "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                    Can't wait to get to B10 season! Gonna be so sweet to actually compete!
                    I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                    -Emiliano Zapata

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                    • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

                      Will be interesting to see where we are ranked today.


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                      • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

                        This is from the Peegs paid private IU board by a poster named D.Dre, but I wanted to share it here. He also links a picture of his two kids sitting next Watford. It is taken well after the game, and Watford has the best grin on his face. This is the best "memory" post I've read so far and I wanted everyone to see it because THIS is Indiana, and it reminded me of my 11 year old sister texting me Boom throughout the game after every made IU three. Including her final BOOM with a smiley face after Watford hit the game winner...It was one of those "It's an Indiana thing, you wouldn't understand." moments. But here's the post from D. Dre of Peegs

                        I posted this early this morning but really wanted to include a picture. Sorry for the repost and I hope the link works. Didn't know how to try it without posting it to the boards. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

                        I attended the game with my father, my 8 year old son (in his #1 Jordan Hulls jersey), and my 6 year old daughter (in her #2 Christian Watford jersey - a jersey she'd worn maybe once prior since receiving it for Christmas last year). I really wasn't sure how into the game my 6 year old daughter would be before we arrived. She had been to an IU game once before but was far more into the food and souvenirs than the game itself. My son's biggest question prior to the game was, "If IU wins, will we be able to rush the court?" - which has long been one of his greatest sporting fascinations.

                        We made the long trek down from Valparaiso and took in every bit of the amazing atmosphere. It was electric from the time we arrived and so fun to see the looks in my kids' eyes taking it all in. My kids spent the majority of the game standing on the edges of their seats (literally) so they could see the game - and enjoying every minute I might add.

                        With about 6 minutes left in the game and Kentucky making their run, my daughter turns to me and implores, "Daddy, all I want for Christmas is for them (IU) to win this game."

                        About four minutes later, when Kentucky takes the lead my daughter turns to me teary-eyed and says, "Daddy, I'm afraid we're not going to win this game." I did my best to reassure her that no matter what the outcome, I had an amazing time with her and it would be a night I'd never forget. I also told her that we just had to keep believing in the fact that they could still win and that anything was possible.

                        After Watford hit the winning shot and several minutes of the four of us jumping around in jubilation with her tears a distant memory, she grabs her jersey and says, "I made the winning shot!!" My son, on the other hand, was looking a little sad after the initial celebration, so I inquired about what could possibly be wrong. To which he replied, "I wish I could be down there" - pointing to the masses on the court.

                        After the initial wave of court rushing (which was both impossible to partake in from 20 rows up where we sat and also a potential hazard to my kid's safety) , we did our own version of rushing the court - much to my son's satisfaction. We stuck around for a few hours after the game just taking it all in, visiting the gift shop, and taking pictures. We were fortunate to get pictures of the kids with Jordy, Creek, Etherington, Elston, Victor, Remy, Cody, and my daughter's favorite Watford. All of the player's were amazingly cordial and gracious and made the night that much more special for two young Hoosier fans (and two older ones).

                        Truly a night that I will always remember - for the atmosphere, the outcome, and the cherished time with my dad and two of my three kids (my oldest son decided not to come because he had an indoor soccer game and because he thought IU wouldn't win). Anything is possible - a lesson my oldest learned the hard way tonight. Thanks to the team, at least one of my daughter's Christmas wishes was granted. That experience, likewise, qualifies as one of my greatest Christmas "gifts" (and would have - win or lose). Nothing beats treasured moments with your loved ones - and it's even better when it occurs in the setting of a shared passion.

                        Tonight, I think my daughter got her first taste of the "passion" that is IU basketball. Judging by the tears in her eyes when we fell behind and her priceless smile afterward, she's well on her way to rivalling her daddy's passion for Hoosier basketball.


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                        • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

                          The best thing about it for me was being able to be there with my little brother, who's a student now and a huge IU fan. After Watford hit that shot we just tackled each other out of pure exuberance. I have never experienced anything like that, and I don't think I ever will again.
                          "And Tottenham do not know what hit them...well I can tell you, it's Theo Walcott!"

                          "And it's Tony Adams put through by Steve Bould, WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT?! That...sums it all up."

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                          • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

                            By the way, ESPN/USA Today Coaches poll has IU ranked at #20. Just came out on Twitter via Inside the Hall.
                            "And Tottenham do not know what hit them...well I can tell you, it's Theo Walcott!"

                            "And it's Tony Adams put through by Steve Bould, WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT?! That...sums it all up."

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                            • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

                              And now AP has us at #18, also via Inside the Hall.
                              "And Tottenham do not know what hit them...well I can tell you, it's Theo Walcott!"

                              "And it's Tony Adams put through by Steve Bould, WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT?! That...sums it all up."

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                              • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

                                I don't really follow college basketball, but they had this game on at the local pizza joint while I was waiting for my order and it piqued my interest so I turned it on when I got back home. Man I am so glad I did! That ending was friggin' epic!! I'm really glad I chose this random game to watch and got to witness such a memorable moment.

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