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    Ray Tolbert to be inducted into the IU Athletics Hall of Fame
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    Ultimate IU alumna will mark 75th year of watching IU football Saturday
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    When Dorothy Stoelting attended her first Indiana University football game as a freshman, the legendary Alvin “Bo” McMillin was in his second year as coach of the Hoosiers and IU beat Centre College of Kentucky 14-0.

    A decade later she witnessed one of the most glorious seasons in IU history when the 1945 Hoosiers went 9-0-1, won the Big Ten Conference title and ended the season ranked fourth in the nation.

    Dorothy doesn’t recall which game she caught in Bloomington during the 1967 season but she was there in Pasadena on Jan. 1, 1968, when coach John Pont’s Hoosiers took the Hoosiers to their only Rose Bowl appearance, a 14-3 defeat at the hands of O.J. Simpson and the University of Southern California Trojans.

    Still, she was taken aback this week when asked how she felt about reaching the milestone of seeing at least one IU home football game each year for 75 years.

    “Seventy-five? It doesn’t seem possible!” she exclaimed over the phone from her St. Louis home. “Oh my goodness! I hadn’t thought of that.”

    It’s apparently true, according to her daughters, Jean Burgess of Bloomington and Judy Sanford of St. Louis. Dorothy always has been proud of attending at least one football game in Bloomington every year since enrolling at IU and to the best of her memory never missed a year except for 1963, when she arrived in Bloomington expecting to see the Hoosiers play and the game was cancelled because of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

    “I think the neatest thing of all is that she’s never wavered from her loyalty or support of IU,” Burgess said. “Even when I was a little girl growing up, we always went to at least one game and sometimes several. Sometimes we were thrilled if IU didn’t lose by 20 points. That’s what we called a victory. But she’s never wavered, not even when people would get down on the team. She’s always been there for them.”

    Dorothy came to IU from Warsaw, Ind., where she was class valedictorian. She went on to a long career as a public school teacher. For many years, Dorothy and her husband, Richard, came down to Bloomington from their northern Indiana home and met up with a regular group of friends for a weekend of fellowship, fun and football rah-rah. “We always stayed at McCormick’s Creek,” Dorothy said. “It didn’t matter what game we went to. We just got a room whenever we could get a room and there was a game that weekend. We’ll be there again this year.” (And booking rooms for next year before they leave.)

    Burgess recalled that part of the attraction to McCormick’s Creek for her parents was that IU’s team stayed there on the night before games. “They’d get up bright and early to see the team. It was really sweet in the later years: you’d see eight little old people trudging down to cheer for the boys as they got on the team bus,” she said . . .

    . . . At age 93 and approaching 94 on Oct. 8, Dorothy will no doubt be one of the few fans in the stands older than Penn State coach Joe Paterno, who is 84.

    “She’s still sharp. She’s an amazing person — an amazing alumna,” said Burgess. “Her favorite part of the game is when the Marching Hundred comes out. She always cries. She’ll tell you that, too. It always brings tears to her eyes.”

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    I've actually played against Ray a few times. He can still ball.

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    I don't believe I've ever seen a receiver and his defender both get called for pass interference on the same play until now.

    Despite the score being 6-3 in the 3rd quarter, the game has been very entertaining. With Penn State inside IU's five-yard line, IU gets a much needed turnover.

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    Yeah. I'm not expecting much form IU this year. It's more of a build a foundation for the future season. However, it's really a crying shame they couldn't somehow pull out the Penn St. game seeing how much they tried to hand it over to us.

    Does anyone else buy some of this favorable reaction I've been reading to Kiel? It's absolutely a lesser of two evils scenario, but EWB just looks better to me. I suppose there were significant pieces missing on offense yesterday.
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    This is a really bad football team. Not exactly a shocker there, though.

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    Overrated?
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    Overrated?
    It's not like your Boilers are a whole lot better there, chief.

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    It's not like your Boilers are a whole lot better there, chief.
    Best public school in the state! Ivy Tech doesn't have a team right?

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    Best public school in the state! Ivy Tech doesn't have a team right?
    No, but Ball State does. BSU is the best public school in the state.

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    It's not like your Boilers are a whole lot better there, chief.
    They're probably overrated too. They're absolutely terrible.

    Fortunately, it seems they are very slightly better than both Minnesota and Indiana.

    So they've got that going for them. Which is nice.

    (And when did they become my Boilers?)
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    I'm not a fan of IU football and don't really have an interest in their team other than keeping track of a few of their players. Having said that, when I look at their team and their results, I see a team that is heading in the right direction. The record doesn't indicate success in the win/loss totals just yet. Where I see vast improvemment is the overall competitiveness. These games they are playing, where they are losing by a field goal or a TD, are games they would have been blown out in last year. Raise your hand if you think last year's IU team comes within one score of Penn State. Maybe I'm wrong but I see something there. Hopefully for them they can continue to build on it. They had to start somewhere right?

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    They haven't been more competitive this year. They've actually been less competitive for a number of different reasons.

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    Well, the way I'm choosing to measure competitiveness is this one:

    2010 average margin of defeat. 21.8 points.

    2011 average margin of defeat. 4.8 points.

    Are they still losing? Yes. Are they losing by less? Yes, a LOT less. To me, that makes them more competitive this season versus last season and indicates progress, even if it's just a little bit of progress.
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    Last year, after 5 weeks, they were 3-2. This year, 1-4. That's the most obvious.

    Then you actually take a look at who they've played, and find out that they lost to North Texas which is a FCS school. They beat Ball St. a few years ago, and it was a pretty embarassing loss. And that is for a MAC school, and IU is a Big 10 school.

    They might end up this season with two total wins.

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    They might end up this season with two total wins.
    They very well could and maybe even should end the season with one total wins.

    Against D-1AA (The whole FBS/FCS thing is stupid.) South Carolina State.

    The only games left that they have a chance to be favored in are at home against Northwestern and Purdue.

    Assuming Dan Persa plays for Northwestern, they won't be favored in that one.

    Barring a relatively large upset, the Purdue game is their only legitimate shot at getting a second win.

    Purdue could very well end the season with two wins. They've got a home game against Minnesota and at Memorial Stadium which should both be wins but they're bad enough to make it perfectly reasonable that they could blow both of those also.
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    Last year, after 5 weeks, they were 3-2. This year, 1-4. That's the most obvious.

    Then you actually take a look at who they've played, and find out that they lost to North Texas which is a FCS school. They beat Ball St. a few years ago, and it was a pretty embarassing loss. And that is for a MAC school, and IU is a Big 10 school.

    They might end up this season with two total wins.
    I don't know why I even try sometimes. I'll just get this over with now instead of turning it into a 800 post thread. Since86 is right and I'm wrong.

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    Well, the way I'm choosing to measure competitiveness is this one:

    2010 average margin of defeat. 21.8 points.

    2011 average margin of defeat. 4.8 points.

    Are they still losing? Yes. Are they losing by less? Yes, a LOT less. To me, that makes them more competitive this season versus last season and indicates progress, even if it's just a little bit of progress.
    That number will grow considerably.

    Just look at their schedule. They've played a middle-of-the-road Mac school, arguably the worst team in the ACC, a D1-AA school, a bad Sun Belt Conference school, and a down Penn State team.

    They've got to go to Camp Randall, and everybody remembers what happened the last time the Hoosiers rolled into Madison.

    They've got to go to Iowa, who despite being in a down year like Penn State, will be a heavy double digit favorite.

    They've got to go to Ohio State and play in the Shoe.

    They've got to go to East Lansing and play a good team on the road with an NFL quarterback.

    They've kept the final scores close so far. But it took furious rallies late in the games to keep the scores competitive against Virginia and the Mean Green. Ball State's score was close but even then IU was basically dominated.

    I've watched every game they've played except for North Texas and the D1-AA team. This team is bad. And the scores have been deceivingly close.
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    Well the rest of the Big Ten season will tell the tale then. I don't think they'll lose by 63 to Wisconsin again. We'll see how they do and compare the final scores to the same games from last season. I know teams change from year to year but I certainly don't think Wisconsin has gotten any worse.

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    I hadn't noticed it before but the only BCS teams below 100 are the bottom 3 of the Big Ten.

    Purdue is just lucky they get to play both of the others.

    Also, evidently I was wrong earlier by calling Virginia the worst team in the ACC. Boston College is 99th. The Cavaliers are 86th.
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    Well the rest of the Big Ten season will tell the tale then. I don't think they'll lose by 63 to Wisconsin again. We'll see how they do and compare the final scores to the same games from last season. I know teams change from year to year but I certainly don't think Wisconsin has gotten any worse.
    I don't think they'll lose by 63 again. I certainly hope not.

    And you're right about Wisconsin. They're a top 3 team this year in my opinion. I'd love to see them play the SEC champ in the National Championship and I think there is a very good chance that it happens. Russell Wilson is the truth.
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    No, but Ball State does. BSU is the best public school in the state.
    ...in what? Per capita student STDs?

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    I don't know why I even try sometimes. I'll just get this over with now instead of turning it into a 800 post thread. Since86 is right and I'm wrong.
    Sorry that you can't handle someone pointing out the difference between football divisions.

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    I hadn't noticed it before but the only BCS teams below 100 are the bottom 3 of the Big Ten.

    Purdue is just lucky they get to play both of the others.

    Also, evidently I was wrong earlier by calling Virginia the worst team in the ACC. Boston College is 99th. The Cavaliers are 86th.
    The Big Ten is incredibly weak this year. The poo-poo platter trio of IU, Minnesota, and Purdue is pathetic. Traditional power Ohio State is in flux and not a very good football team. Wisconsin is the real deal, Nebraska is probably overrated, Illinois definitely isn't as good as their record indicates (and that particular ranking has then #10!), and I'm not completely sold on Michigan either.

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    ...in what? Per capita student STDs?
    I didn't realize that the success of the football team was so important to your selfesteem. It will be okay. Better days are ahead. Or atleast they can't get much worse.

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