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    I didn't see many of the games last year, but a big problem to me for the IU Bball team was defense and rebounding... Hopefully Zeller will really help fill that role as well as the defending of some of the younger guards.. It should be a solid year for the Hoosiers on the court....... hopefully. God knows we need it!

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    I have renewed hope about the Hoosiers landing Gary Harris.

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    I have renewed hope about the Hoosiers landing Gary Harris.
    You've peaked my interest..

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    What's your prediction for the 2011-2012 Big Ten basketball season? The media's picks should be out later this week. Hutchens' blog had his rankings and he also mentioned he expected IU to match or exceed Crean's career Big Ten win total. Pretty lofty expectations from the Bloomington media. What do you guys think?

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    When the Big Ten holds its annual Media Day on Thursday in Chicago, it will release a preseason all-Big Ten team along with predictions for the conference’s top three teams. There are one or two beat writers from each school that serve on this panel and I am one of them.

    But a few years ago, one of the Big Ten writers decided to conduct his own poll separate from the Big Ten where he would get votes from writers around the conference to pick all 11 Big Ten teams (now all 12) and rank them in predicted order of finish.

    I voted in this poll earlier this week, too.

    Here’s how I picked the Big Ten:

    1. Ohio State

    2. Michigan State

    3. Wisconsin

    4. Michigan

    5. Illinois

    6. Indiana

    7. Purdue

    8. Northwestern

    9. Iowa

    10. Minnesota

    11. Nebraska

    12. Penn State

    Now, I can already hear it from the Purdue people but to be honest I really wrestled with that one. I think you could make a case for Purdue at No. 6 and IU at No. 7. It all comes down to Robbie Hummel. (I did have Hummel on my preseason all-Big Ten team by the way).

    The bigger question is whether this is expecting too much out of Indiana. And with the Hoosiers it will come down to how much of an impact Cody Zeller can make right away, and whether sophomores Victor Oladipo and Will Sheehey in particular can take their game up a notch. If those three things happen, I think IU is firmly a middle of the pack Big Ten team. And that would be a major improvement.

    In order for the Hoosiers to do this well, here’s what has to happen:

    1. Indiana needs to win 10 non-conference games and have nine wins going into the Big Ten season. This would be losses to Kentucky, Notre Dame and one other school. It could be North Carolina State in the Big Ten/ACC Challenge. It could be Butler at Assembly Hall. And it could be another school scoring an upset. But if IU loses three, it would have nine wins going into Big Ten play. The final non-conference game is during the Big Ten season and against North Carolina Central. Here’s the schedule if you want to check it out yourself.

    2. IU needs to win eight games or more in the Big Ten. But even at 8-10, I would think the Hoosiers could be at sixth or seventh in the conference. If you win eight, coupled with 10 non-conference games, that would give you 18 going into the Big Ten Tournament. This year eight teams will have play-in games and the top four finishers will get first round byes. But if you could come out of the Big Ten Tournament with 19 or 20 wins, I would have to think you would wind up in postseason play for the first time in four years.

    3. IU needs to stay healthy. Maurice Creek is enough of a blow. Christian Watford should be back in a week or so at close to 100 percent. But this is still a team with a relatively small margin of error and it can’t afford to have major injuries. If it stays healthy, there’s no reason IU can’t be successful in the first two points I’ve made above.

    So what do you think? I’ll be interested in how you rank the 12 teams in the Big Ten? And then we can all compare our lists to the actual one that comes out on Thursday afternoon and will likely be printed in the paper on Friday.
    My preseaon rankings:
    1. Ohio State

    2. Wisconsin

    3. Michigan

    4. Michigan State

    5. Purdue

    6. Northwestern

    7. Illinois

    8. Indiana

    9. Iowa

    10. Minnesota

    11. Penn State

    12. Nebraska

    Unless Zeller is a one and done type talent, which I've heard nobody suggest, I can't see anyway that IU is a better basketball team than Purdue this year. I also don't understand how Illinois, which lost everything from a middle of the road team, is better than them.

    Obviously, there's a pretty big gap between Ohio State and everyone else. After that, the 2-5 teams seem pretty close with another pretty large gap before you get to 6th. 6-10 could be any order. Penn State and Nebraska should be awful.

    My preseason All-Big Ten team:
    Jared Sullinger - Ohio State (POY)
    John Shurna - Northwestern
    Robbie Hummel - Purdue
    Jordan Taylor - Wisconsin
    Tim Hardaway Jr. - Michigan
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    I can't quibble much with your rankings BWD, especially with Shurna back for NW

    Secondly, I've said pretty much from the beginning that my goal for IU this year is 18 wins so Hutchens and I are pretty much right together on that. And yes, obviously that gets you into postseason play. The NIT will take IU and the potential revenue they represent the moment they crack .500 at the end of the season which is all that is required to get an invite.

    If Zeller ends up an 18 and 8 guy right away then I think maybe we can hit 20 wins in the regular seaosn and finish as high as 5 or 6 this year, but I don't see that happening. I think he'll be around 12 and 6.

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    I agree with Hutchen's rankings except for one thing: Flip-flop Purdue and Illinois. Other than that, looks pretty good.

    TJ, No way Zeller averages only 6 boards a game. I think you are in the ballpark on the points, but I think he will get about 8 boards a game. He's a phenomenal rebounder.

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    After looking at this a little more, I feel like predicting the B1G is a crapshoot. Ohio State is Tier 1, alone. Tier 2 is Michigan State and Wisconsin in my mind. Tier 3 is Michigan, Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois, and Minnesota. Tier 4 is Penn State and Nebraska.

    Talent-wise, Michigan State and Wisconsin are on par with most of the Tier 3 teams, but I give them the edge because they are extremely well coached teams. Michigan, on paper, seems like they could make the leap, but they always seem to underwhelm when they are supposed to be good and surprise when they are supposed to be mediocre. Tier 3 could shake out in any order and it wouldn't surprise me.

    Just because we all like ranking things and are experts in our own minds, let's go off on a tangent: Rank the B1G coaches. Not the teams, just the coaches. I'm interested to see what you guys think.

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    Just because we all like ranking things and are experts in our own minds, let's go off on a tangent: Rank the B1G coaches. Not the teams, just the coaches. I'm interested to see what you guys think.
    For the most part the coaches are basically equal to their teams in my opinion. I don't know a damn thing about either Penn State or Nebraska's coaches so I'll put them in last just like their teams.

    1. Tom Izzo - Michigan State
    2. Thad Matta - Ohio State
    3. Bo Ryan - Wisconsin
    4. Matt Painter - Purdue
    5. Tom Crean - Indiana
    6. John Beilein - Michigan
    7. Bruce Weber - Illinois
    8. Tubby Smith - Minnesota
    9. Bill Carmody - Northwestern
    10. Fran McCaffery - Iowa
    11. Pat Chambers - PSU
    12. Doc Sadler - Nebraska
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    For the most part the coaches are basically equal to their teams in my opinion. I don't know a damn thing about either Penn State or Nebraska's coaches so I'll put them in last just like their teams.

    1. Tom Izzo - Michigan State
    2. Thad Matta - Ohio State
    3. Bo Ryan - Wisconsin
    4. Matt Painter - Purdue
    5. Tom Crean - Indiana
    6. John Beilein - Michigan
    7. Bruce Weber - Illinois
    8. Tubby Smith - Minnesota
    9. Bill Carmody - Northwestern
    10. Fran McCaffery - Iowa
    11. Pat Chambers - PSU
    12. Doc Sadler - Nebraska
    Here's mine:

    1. Izzo
    2. Ryan
    3. Matta (better recruiter than coach, still very good at both)
    4. Painter
    5. Tubby
    6. Crean
    7. Beilein (his offense is a little gimmicky and he doesn't get consistently good results imo)
    8. Carmody (tough to win at NW)
    9. McCaffery
    10. Weber (nobody does less with more than Weber)
    11. Sadler
    12. Chambers

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    1. Ryan
    2. Izzo
    3. Painter
    4. Crean
    5. Tubby
    6. Matta
    7. Carmody
    8. McCaffery
    9. Weber
    10. Beilein
    11. Chambers
    12. Sadler

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    1. Ryan
    2. Izzo

    3. Painter
    4. Crean
    5. Tubby
    6. Matta
    7. Carmody
    8. McCaffery
    9. Weber
    10. Beilein
    11. Chambers
    12. Sadler
    That is extraordinarily shocking to me.

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    I can't believe you have Thad Matta so low on the list. He might be a better recruiter, but the job he did when he was at Butler is pretty damn impressive.

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    Ryan does more with less compared to anyone else in college basketball.

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    I can't believe you have Thad Matta so low on the list. He might be a better recruiter, but the job he did when he was at Butler is pretty damn impressive.
    Matta showed his stripes in the national championship game when he had Oden down low and playing very good basketball and he continued to let his guards chuck threes. The guy is a great "mid-major" coach (this coin was termed by a friend of mine who is a life long Butler fan too)

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    Ryan does more with less compared to anyone else in college basketball.
    Who's fault is that? He recruits those kids. I just can't see giving the nod to a guy whose never been to a Final Four over a coach with a national title and what, 5 Final Fours? 4?

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    Who's fault is that? He recruits those kids. I just can't see giving the nod to a guy whose never been to a Final Four over a coach with a national title and what, 5 Final Fours? 4?
    Well if that's all we're measuring by I guess Tubby should be number 2 and Crean should be ahead of Painter.

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    In my opinion, recruiting is at least equal to teaching and game management for college coaches.

    I guess which explains why I have Matta and Weber higher than most.
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    Matta showed his stripes in the national championship game when he had Oden down low and playing very good basketball and he continued to let his guards chuck threes. The guy is a great "mid-major" coach (this coin was termed by a friend of mine who is a life long Butler fan too)
    I would imagine that if we went through any coaches career you'd find a couple of games where they completely **** their pants.

    I'm not saying he needs to be #1, but he should still be above Tubby, Crean, and Painter.

    Also, you didn't say who was the best X and O's guy, you said who was the best coach. He just blows all of them out of the water on recruiting, so far. I don't think that one game should be enough to have 3 other coaches leap frog him.

    JMO.

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    Well if that's all we're measuring by I guess Tubby should be number 2 and Crean should be ahead of Painter.
    That's not what I was saying at all, and I think you know that. I'm taking everything into effect here--some of those Izzo teams that made the Final Four were injury ravaged and quite frankly not that great. Bo Ryan's teams always seem to flame out and get upset in the NCAA tournament (much like Crean's teams save for the one Final Four run).

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    In my opinion, recruiting is at least equal to teaching and game management for college coaches.

    I guess which explains why I have Matta and Weber higher than most.
    I agree with this, except about Weber. Weber does not cultivate that rich talent pool very well. He misses out on as many big time Chicago guys as he gets--he should have that locked down. What's even more damning is that when he does secure them, he doesn't develop them or they leave early or they underachieve as a team. As an IU fan, I love seeing Weber entrenched at Illinois. If I were an Illini fan, I'd be crying for his head year in, year out.

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    Izzo has done somethings that only a handful of coaches have ever done. He's been to 6 Final Fours in 16 years at MSU. That's crazy.

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    I knew my Ryan and Matta rankings would probably raise some eyebrows, but I'm sticking to it.

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    I knew my Ryan and Matta rankings would probably raise some eyebrows, but I'm sticking to it.
    Sure, you're absolutely entitled to your opinion. That's why I asked in the first place.

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    So, anyone know why Belcher was kicked off the football team? I mean besides the fact that his offense has been truly offensive? Violating team rules is a pretty wide brush to paint with.

    http://www.indystar.com/article/2011...IndyStar.com|p

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    Word has it that we won our little "secret" exhibition with Indiana State by 4 in OT.

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