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    51st is about right.


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    51. Danny Granger
    SF, Indiana Pacers
    Age: 28
    2010-11 Stats: 20.5 PPG, 42.5 FG%, 38.6 3PT%, 5.4 RPG, 2.6 APG

    It has been a cliché for years that Granger is miscast a first option in Indiana … but Granger is miscast as a first option in Indiana. He uses up possessions as if he were a star — only 20 players used more last season — but he produces like a decent player and not a great one. He gets to the line at a solid rate (about six attempts per game) and shoots the three-pointer well, but he does neither at a star level. He shoots too many regrettable long twos. And most damning given his salary: Granger has never emerged as a creative playmaker who uses his scoring ability to help his teammates. You’d expect more than 2.6 assists from a first-option wing player on a team with a point guard (Darren Collison) who ranked near the bottom in assists per game among starters at his position.

    Granger is a nice on-ball defender but not a difference-maker on that end. There’s a lot to like here, and there’s no shame in being somewhere around the 50th-best player in the world’s best basketball league.
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    51th is about right
    ...I don't think so.
    In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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    Here are the rest of the players:

    RANK PLAYER POSITION, TEAM
    100. Brandon Roy SG, Portland Trail Blazers
    99. Tony Allen SG, Memphis Grizzlies
    98. Nick Collison PF, Oklahoma City Thunder
    97. Shane Battier SF, free agent (Memphis Grizzlies)
    96. John Salmons G-F, Sacramento Kings
    95. Louis Williams G, Philadelphia 76ers
    94. O.J. Mayo SG, Memphis Grizzlies
    93. Ty Lawson PG, Denver Nuggets
    92. Wilson Chandler SF, restricted free agent (Denver Nuggets)
    91. Mike Conley PG, Memphis Grizzlies
    90. Hedo Turkoglu SF, Orlando Magic
    89. Raymond Felton PG, Portland Trail Blazers
    88. Wesley Matthews SG, Portland Trail Blazers
    87. Roy Hibbert C, Indiana Pacers
    86. Jameer Nelson PG, Orlando Magic
    85. Andrei Kirilenko SF, free agent (Utah Jazz)
    84. DeAndre Jordan C, restricted free agent (L.A. Clippers)
    83. Ron Artest SF, L.A. Lakers
    82. Thaddeus Young F, restricted free agent (Philadelphia 76ers)
    81. Nicolas Batum SF, Portland Trail Blazers
    80. Danilo Gallinari SF, Denver Nuggets
    79. Chris Kaman C, L.A. Clippers
    78. Rodney Stuckey G, restricted free agent (Detroit Pistons)
    77. Arron Afflalo SG, restricted free agent (Denver Nuggets)
    76. Grant Hill SF, free agent (Phoenix Suns)
    75. Stephen Jackson G-F, Milwaukee Bucks
    74. Jrue Holiday PG, Philadelphia 76ers
    73. George Hill G, Indiana Pacers
    72. John Wall PG, Washington Wizards
    71. Andre Miller PG, Denver Nuggets
    70. Marcin Gortat C, Phoenix Suns
    69. Emeka Okafor C, New Orleans Hornets
    68. Anderson Varejao F-C, Cleveland Cavaliers
    67. Serge Ibaka PF, Oklahoma City Thunder
    66. Andrea Bargnani F-C, Toronto Raptors
    65. Jamal Crawford G, free agent (Atlanta Hawks)
    64. Jason Richardson SG, free agent (Orlando Magic)
    63. Caron Butler SF, free agent (Dallas Mavericks)
    62. Shawn Marion F, Dallas Mavericks
    61. Tayshaun Prince SF, free agent (Detroit Pistons)
    60. Devin Harris PG, Utah Jazz
    59. Chauncey Billups PG, New York Knicks
    58. Jason Kidd PG, Dallas Mavericks
    57. David Lee PF, Golden State Warriors
    56. Kyle Lowry PG, Houston Rockets
    55. Jason Terry SG, Dallas Mavericks
    54. James Harden SG, Oklahoma City Thunder
    53. Al Jefferson F-C, Utah Jazz
    52. Luis Scola PF, Houston Rockets
    51. Danny Granger SF, Indiana Pacers

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    Here is the last list:

    http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011...sct=nba_t11_a0

    50. Elton Brand PF, Philadelphia 76ers
    49. Brook Lopez C, New Jersey Nets
    48. Ray Allen SG, Boston Celtics
    47. Luol Deng SF, Chicago Bulls
    46. Paul Millsap PF, Utah Jazz
    45. Carlos Boozer PF, Chicago Bulls
    44. Monta Ellis SG, Golden State Warriors
    43. Joakim Noah C, Chicago Bulls
    42. Kevin Martin SG, Houston Rockets
    41. Stephen Curry PG, Golden State Warriors

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    maybe i severely underestimating him, but Lowry is 56???

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    In what world is Deng better than Granger?

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    Actually I would put him at 42th or 43st at the absolute highest

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    BROOK LOPEZ 49th????

    This list is bogus.

    I'm not being a Pacers homer here, but Roy is better than Lopez and has more potential to be a better center.

    Brook Lopez is like a younger Zydrunas Ilgauskas.
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    In what world is Deng better than Granger?
    He was during the regular season, better defender too.

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    Yeah apparently this guy didnt watch that Miami series and saw how Dengs offense became even worse

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    I think thats about right, especially the playmaking part. I will say that he seemed to have blinders on less toward the end of the season. I think thats clearly the next step in his progression, if there is to be one. He needs to drive to dish occasionally. He needs to make others around him better. If not, he'll never show anymore 'winning' type skills than he does now, imo.

    He actually has guys around him now that can hit the spot up shot and/or finish at the basket after 2 guys go to him.

    He should watch oodles of Bulls/Pacers playoff tape and see that the Bulls counted on him not being able to find the open man, in how they defended him.

    If he added that one piece, it would make the Pacers team so much better with the terrible clutch time offense they have now.

    Its basically now or never for him with this, imo. He's at the level and experience that he needs to get this.

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    Actually I would put him at 42th or 43st at the absolute highest
    Ignoring other positions you think Lowry is a better PG than:
    95. Louis Williams G, Philadelphia 76ers
    93. Ty Lawson PG, Denver Nuggets
    91. Mike Conley PG, Memphis Grizzlies
    89. Raymond Felton PG, Portland Trail Blazers
    86. Jameer Nelson PG, Orlando Magic
    78. Rodney Stuckey G, restricted free agent (Detroit Pistons)
    74. Jrue Holiday PG, Philadelphia 76ers
    73. George Hill G, Indiana Pacers
    72. John Wall PG, Washington Wizards
    71. Andre Miller PG, Denver Nuggets
    60. Devin Harris PG, Utah Jazz
    59. Chauncey Billups PG, New York Knicks
    58. Jason Kidd PG, Dallas Mavericks

    I see at least 5 pgs Id rather have on my team before Lowry. Im not saying he's not a good player, but damn.

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    He was during the regular season, better defender too.
    So your saying we would be a better team with Deng in place of Granger?

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    Dengs defense is way better than Danny's or at least way more consistent.

    Lopez is a better offensive player than Roy, in that, he is also more consistent.

    I'd rank both about where they are. I think you could flip Deng and Danny, but I don't think its completely unreasonable how they have it.

    It's misleading sometimes for Roy/Lopez since I do think Roy outplays Lopez, but I think Brooke outplays the rest of the league, moreso.

    The fundamental problem is role that each guy has for their current team, I think.

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    Ignoring other positions you think Lowry is a better PG than:
    95. Louis Williams G, Philadelphia 76ers
    93. Ty Lawson PG, Denver Nuggets
    91. Mike Conley PG, Memphis Grizzlies
    89. Raymond Felton PG, Portland Trail Blazers
    86. Jameer Nelson PG, Orlando Magic
    78. Rodney Stuckey G, restricted free agent (Detroit Pistons)
    74. Jrue Holiday PG, Philadelphia 76ers
    73. George Hill G, Indiana Pacers
    72. John Wall PG, Washington Wizards
    71. Andre Miller PG, Denver Nuggets
    60. Devin Harris PG, Utah Jazz
    59. Chauncey Billups PG, New York Knicks
    58. Jason Kidd PG, Dallas Mavericks

    I see at least 5 pgs Id rather have on my team before Lowry. Im not saying he's not a good player, but damn.
    Yeah That is eye opening. I always try to compare players by "if I was Gojng to trade player a for player b, would I do the deal?"

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    Nice to see George Hill made the top 100 and 73rd no less.

    Our guys have a lot of potential.

    When Roy's at his best, he's a dominant center who makes us a better team and we win games no matter who we play.

    Another thing regarding the list, Carlos Boozer = OVERRATED!
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    So your saying we would be a better team with Deng in place of Granger?
    Thats the best argument against it, I agree with you, even though I just said the opposite.

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    If Roy can consistently be as good as he is when he is good.... he'd make a huge jump. I find that encouraging really.

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    Yeah That is eye opening. I always try to compare players by "if I was Gojng to trade player a for player b, would I do the deal?"
    Thats why I dont like these lists. I mean Are Billups and Kidd better than Lowry. Hell yes! Thats why they have Allstar appearances, but I would take Lowry over them due to age and potential. But on that same note. Wall, Holiday, Conley, Lawson and so on are btter IMO.
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    The thing with Granger is that in order for him to become the best player he can is to become the most efficient scorer possible. We don't want volumes of shots from him anymore. We need him to be lethal when he touches the ball, whether that is through a pass, a drive that induces ball movement, or making threes to spread the court.

    I think the author of this is spot on with Granger. I just think that Granger is morphing his game into something much different than what he has been to our franchise the last couple of years. He is a very good scorer, but not elite. He struggles driving the ball into the lane still. He jacks up too many unwarranted threes. I love Danny. He has been our franchise guy for a few years now. We also have a HELL of a lot more talent now than we did a few years ago. We are shooting for talented depth to compete. He needs to be one of the most efficient players in the league to take this team to the next level. Hibbert needs his touches. Collison and George need to be able to get to the rim. Danny needs to facilitate a lot of this action, which forces defenses into fluctuation. Danny as he ages will probably end up playing more PF. He needs to get a back to the basket game. He is strong enough now to focus on that area of his offensive game more. Long story short, Danny has to become a much different decision maker for our ball club to be more competitive now. He needs to emphasize defense to the younger guys by showing it out on the court. He can't just loaf around the three point line. There needs to be ball movement on a team who wants to utilize their depth. We want to push the tempo and tire out the other teams. That is one thing I do give JOB credit for, is that his teams always were in great shape.

    Danny will be our leader. Danny shouldn't be our #1 option. He needs to be 1B or 1C. We need to have five guys who can put the ball in the basket and are capable passers. That is our direction. We don't want or need Granger to be a "superstar" for him to become a better player. I love seeing that Hill and Hibbert are top 100. I expect our team to have several players between 50 and 100 the next time one of these is done.

    Sorry I'm rambling, but Granger is the key to our team's success. I hope he realizes what his game needs to transform into and a list like this doesn't do justice to what he can and needs to bring to the table.

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    So your saying we would be a better team with Deng in place of Granger?
    Maybe, I could say for sure that if he was in Danny's place, Deng would be as overrated here(PD and Indiana)

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    BROOK LOPEZ 49th????

    This list is bogus.

    I'm not being a Pacers homer here, but Roy is better than Lopez and has more potential to be a better center.

    Brook Lopez is like a younger Zydrunas Ilgauskas.
    I don't know about Roy being better but I do know that there is no way on God's green earth that Brook Lopez should be ranked this high.

    Ahhhhh....lists, subjective till the bitter end.


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    I don't take these type of lists too serious.

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    Maybe, I could say for sure that if he was in Danny's place, Deng would be as overrated here(PD and Indiana)
    I never said Danny was an allstar in fact throughout my posts on PD Ive said the opposite, but in the same regard Deng is not better. Different, but not better.

    I remember when Deng got his contract for around 12mil a year, and people could not believe he got that big of a contract. When Danny got his contract for around 12mil per year. Everyone said how great his contract was, and they still do. So if Danny is worth 12mil and Deng isnt worth 12mil. Then how is Deng better all of a sudden?

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    I don't know about Roy being better but I do know that there is no way on God's green earth that Brook Lopez should be ranked this high.

    Ahhhhh....lists, subjective till the bitter end.
    I agree with this.

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