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  • David Stern takes a pay cut

    Sources: David Stern will not get salary
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    By Marc Stein
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    NBA commissioner David Stern will not collect on his eight-figure salary during the ongoing lockout, according to sources with knowledge of Stern's pay status.

    Amid growing tensions on both sides of a labor impasse that has lasted 33 days, with owners proposing sharp cuts in salary and contract lengths, and with no end in sight to the stalemate, Philadelphia 76ers center Spencer Hawes this week publicly questioned via Twitter why there have been "no rumblings about a pay cut for (Stern) while he asks every single player to do so."

    Stern has given no indication that he will agree to lower his salary when the sides ultimately do hammer out a new labor agreement that is expected to be far more restrictive for players. Yet sources confirmed Tuesday that, during the work stoppage, Stern will indeed pass on collecting a salary that, based on a New York Daily News report in February, has been estimated as high as $23 million annually.

    Although he has not publicly addressed the matter since the lockout commenced July 1, Stern said during All-Star Weekend in Los Angeles that he would not be paid.

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    Responding to a question at the time about whether he would drop his salary to $1 as NFL commissioner Roger Goodell did during the NFL's lockout, Stern said: "Well, I would say that last time (during the NBA's 1998-99 lockout) I didn't take a salary. I think a dollar would be too high in the event of a work stoppage."

    Stern's exact yearly salary is not known, but three sources consulted this week by ESPN.com all put it at $15-to-16 million.

    One source said Tuesday, according to information he received from one team in the Eastern Conference and one team in the West, that the commissioner earns $500,000 per franchise annually. That would compute to $15 million per season before bonuses are added.

    Twenty-one NBA players are scheduled to earn at least $15 million during the 2011-12 season, from Kobe Bryant's $25,244,000 with the Los Angeles Lakers to Rudy Gay's $15,032,144 with the Memphis Grizzlies. Four players are contracted to make at least $20 million: Bryant, Washington's Rashard Lewis, San Antonio's Tim Duncan and Boston's Kevin Garnett.

    Marc Stein covers the NBA for ESPN.com.

    Billy Hunter.....your turn
    Last edited by RLeWorm; 08-03-2011, 10:17 AM.

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    Re: David Stern takes a pay cut

    I cannot fathom making $15m a year.

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      Re: David Stern takes a pay cut

      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
      I cannot fathom making $15m a year.
      I can't either but I sure would love it.
      I'm not perfect and neither are you.

      Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Elohim,
      Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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        Stern's doing this as a bargaining chip with the players. Unfortunately, he's not as subtle as he thinks he is. He wants it to look like he's doing it for the good of the game, but we all know it's so he can blame the players. "C'mon, I took a pay cut, why won't you?"

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          Re: David Stern takes a pay cut

          http://www.edgeofsports.com/2011-08-03-640/index.html

          David Stern is evil.

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            Re: David Stern takes a pay cut

            I can't read any discussion through this thick cloud of hyperbole before my eyes.
            Report: 82% Of Wiseguys Think They're Real Funny

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              Re: David Stern takes a pay cut

              now if he would just take the next step and resign, worst commissioner in sports

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                So he cut his salary to a whole 15 million dollars?

                Call me when he follows Roger Goodell's example and cuts it to $1 for the duration of the lockout.

                That goes for Hunter too! DeMaurice Smith did the same thing as Goodell with his salary, and don't forget Shane Battier already called Hunter out on it at least once and Billy ran away from the question!

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                ChrisKaman Chris Kaman
                If the players have to take a pay cut, I don't know why Mr. David Stern can't take one from his over $20mill. a year paycheck!
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                Last edited by Sandman21; 08-03-2011, 03:40 PM.
                "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                  Re: David Stern takes a pay cut

                  Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                  So he cut his salary to a whole 15 million dollars?

                  Call me when he follows Roger Goodell's example and cuts it to $1 for the duration of the lockout.
                  No, the article says he won't collect it at all. Probably he'll collect 1$ or 1 cent or whatever for legal reasons.

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                    Re: David Stern takes a pay cut

                    Originally posted by ballism View Post
                    No, the article says he won't collect it at all. Probably he'll collect 1$ or 1 cent or whatever for legal reasons.
                    I'll believe that when I see it. The man is a lawyer at heart after all.
                    "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                    "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                      Re: David Stern takes a pay cut

                      A little off topic, but I figured it should be noted, relative to his employees Stern makes very little compared to most CEO's.

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                        Re: David Stern takes a pay cut

                        Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                        A little off topic, but I figured it should be noted, relative to his employees Stern makes very little compared to most CEO's.
                        I was thinking the same thing. Some employee make more than the person who's overseeing the whole thing. How does that happen???

                        I don't care...I'm siding with the Owners on this dispute. If the owners didn't have other business ventures, they would be struggling to make ends meet while their employees are getting paid. No one sees anything wrong with this picture?


                        Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                          Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
                          I don't care...I'm siding with the Owners on this dispute. If the owners didn't have other business ventures, they would be struggling to make ends meet while their employees are getting paid. No one sees anything wrong with this picture?
                          Paul Allen? Mark Cuban? Michael Jordan? I'm pretty sure they could all go without a paycheck ever again and their families would still be fine for 10 generations from now.

                          If you make $3,000/month, then if you earn this amount for 60 years, you've made $2,160,000 total.

                          Paul Allen's fortune is estimated to be 11 billion dollars. Herbert Simon's is estimated to be 1.1 billion dollars: that's 30,555 years at $36,000/year.

                          Let's stop acting like the owners are struggling financially: they'd be fine even if they stopped making money today.
                          Last edited by Pingu; 08-03-2011, 08:23 PM.

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                            Re: David Stern takes a pay cut

                            Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
                            don't care...I'm siding with the Owners on this dispute. If the owners didn't have other business ventures, they would be struggling to make ends meet while their employees are getting paid. No one sees anything wrong with this picture?

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                              Re: David Stern takes a pay cut

                              Originally posted by Pingu View Post
                              Paul Allen? Mark Cuban? Michael Jordan? I'm pretty sure they could all go without a paycheck ever again and their families would still be fine for 10 generations from now.

                              If you make $3,000/month, then if you earn this amount for 60 years, you've made $2,160,000 total.

                              Paul Allen's fortune is estimated to be 11 billion dollars. Herbert Simon's is estimated to be 1.1 billion dollars: that's 30,555 years at $36,000/year.

                              Let's stop acting like the owners are struggling financially: they'd be fine even if they stopped making money today.
                              I think you've missed the first part of that sentence.

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