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  • #1

    Randy Moss to retire

    At least that rumor of Moss to the Colts will never happen

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/68...153-touchdowns

    .Updated: August 1, 2011, 6:44 PM ETRandy Moss, 34, to hang up MANKATO, Minn. -- Randy Moss is calling it a career after 13 seasons in the NFL as one of the most dynamic and polarizing players the league has ever seen.

    Moss' agent, Joel Segal, said Monday that the receiver was considering offers from several teams, but made the decision to retire. Segal declined to comment specifically on the offers, instead saying his 34-year-old client felt the time was right to step away.

    "Randy has weighed his options and considered the offers and has decided to retire," Segal said.


    Seifert: Moss Changed The Game
    To counter Randy Moss, opponents devised new coverages and exotic lineups in an attempt to slow down a player who dubbed himself "The Freak," ESPN.com's Kevin Seifert writes. Blog

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    SportsNation: Gathering Moss Feedback
    Touchdown machine Randy Moss has always generated a passionate response from fans. Ready to sound off?

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    If this indeed is the end for Moss, he leaves the game with some of the gaudiest statistics ever posted by a receiver. His 153 touchdowns are tied with Terrell Owens for second on the career list, and he's also fifth in yards (14,858) and tied with Hines Ward for eighth in receptions (954).

    Those numbers, and his status as perhaps the best deep threat in NFL history, will make him a sure-fire candidate for the Hall of Fame. But his on-the-field performance, which included six Pro Bowl seasons, was often overshadowed by streaks of boorish behavior and an apparent penchant for taking plays off when he lost interest in the game.

    His career started with seven electric seasons with the Minnesota Vikings before he went dormant for two years in Oakland.

    He re-emerged as a force with the New England Patriots in 2007, hauling in a single-season record 23 TD passes from Tom Brady to help the Patriots to a 16-0 regular season before losing to the Giants in the Super Bowl.

    Moss was traded back to the Vikings in October of last season, but the celebrated reunion lasted just four weeks.

    Fed up with his petulant behavior, Vikings coach Brad Childress cut Moss in November, a stunning move that played a role in the coach's dismissal a few weeks later.

    Moss finished the season with eight games in Tennessee, but made little impact with the Titans.


    Clearly, Canton Will Be Calling
    Randy Moss, who will retire after 13 seasons, ranks in the NFL's top 5 in receiving yards, receiving TDs and 100-yard receiving games:

    Rank
    Rec 954 T-8th
    Rec yds 14,858 5th
    Rec TD 153 T-2nd
    100-yd gms 64 2nd

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    Segal said earlier this summer that the receiver was training hard and determined to prove to the doubters that he could still dominate the game like he had in the past, describing Moss as being in "freakish shape" after "working out, two-a-days, all spring and summer in West Virginia."

    "He is determined, motivated and quite frankly has a huge chip on his shoulder. Whatever team ends up getting Randy, they're going to know they're getting the old Randy Moss," Segal told NFL.com in mid-July.

    "He's not just coming in to be on the team, he's going to be Randy Moss -- a difference-maker."


    Throughout his career, Moss earned the reputation as one of the most dangerous players in the game, when he wanted to be.

    "Randy has been a great player for a long time," said Bob Pruett, Moss' college coach at Marshall. "He's choosing this on his own terms and I think that's good. If that's what he wants to do, that's what he should do."

    Moss' combination of size, speed and intelligence has rarely been seen for a player at his position, and he deserves some credit for the influx of Cover 2 defenses throughout the NFL that were designed in large part to prevent Moss from burning them down the field.

    Trouble off the field in high school prevented Moss from attending Notre Dame or Florida State, so he landed at Marshall and scored 54 touchdowns in two seasons with the Thundering Herd.

    The off-field questions hurt Moss in the 1998 draft. He fell to the Vikings at pick No. 21 and he spent the next seven years making every GM in the league who passed on him regret it. He scored 17 touchdowns as a rookie to help the Vikings reach the NFC title game and only once failed to score at least 10 TDs in a season in his first tour with the team.

    He also got into several controversies along the way, bumping a traffic cop in downtown Minneapolis, squirting a referee with a water bottle during a game and leaving the field early in a game against Washington, just to name a few.

    Sensing a change of scenery was needed, the Vikings traded Moss to Oakland in 2005, where he spent two quiet seasons before his career was revived in New England.

    Vikings fans were euphoric at the news of his return last season, but things soured in a hurry. He caught 13 passes for 174 yards and two touchdowns in four games back in purple, clashed with Childress in the locker room and turned some teammates off with his poor treatment of a team caterer toward the end of his run.

    Moss hugged former Patriots teammates after a Vikings loss, and then bizarrely stepped to a podium to fawn over the Patriots, criticize the Vikings for ignoring his strategic advice, and announce his plan to interview himself the rest of the season instead of letting reporters do it.

    Next stop, Tennessee, where he caught just six passes in eight games.
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    Re: Randy Moss to retire

    Ploy by him & his agent. He isn't done yet.

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    • #3
      Re: Randy Moss to retire

      Posted this in another thread but might as well post it here as well...

      I think Moss would have been a wonderful fit with SD...

      Yeah I know there had to be a short list...

      Manning
      Rivers
      Schab
      Ryan - Maybe
      Brady - Maybe
      Rodgers - Maybe
      Sanchez - Maybe

      I think that ATL would be interesting but not enough touches, that goes for GB as well. Sanchez well they run a lot and sanchez while he does okay isn't a top NFL QB. Brady... I just think that is a weird situation.

      Houston could have used him as well as SD and the Colts... he may not have thought he would have got many touches with the Colts as well, never know though.

      I think that another interesting place for him would have been KC... They were a team that showed a lot of promise last year... They have a QB that has a decent arm, and has shown a lot of potential. They need another WR besides Bowe that can contribute(without their current signings), plus Moss has better hands than Bowe. Maybe they wouldn't have made a deep run in the playoffs but he would have been contending, and probably got a lot of touches as well.

      Oh well we will see what happens...
      Why so SERIOUS

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      • #4
        Re: Randy Moss to retire

        I actually believe he is going to stay retired. Don't think he wants to play for less than $4 million per year which is probably the only type of offers he's getting. I still believe he could play another 2 years and probably average 800-900 yards and 6+ TDs if he actually wanted to play.

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        • #5
          Re: Randy Moss to retire

          I don't buy it.

          This whole time his agents have said he's in "the best shape of his career" and now he just wants to hang it up?

          Another Moss publicity stunt. Or so I hope.

          The guy comes off as a jerk, but I still really like him. I hope this isn't the end for him. If it truly is, then I'm sad to see him leave. Definite Hall of Famer though.
          Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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          • #6
            Re: Randy Moss to retire

            He and Favre will talk it out and come back together.

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            • #7
              Re: Randy Moss to retire

              I like Randy Moss even though he pisses me right off as an athlete. He has staistics that will put him in the HoF, maybe even first ballot. This despite the fact that he barely gave a **** about football. If he had Marvin Harrison's or Jerry Rice's work ethic and desire to be the best he would have produced absolutley untouchable numbers. As it is his numbers eclipse Marvin's numbers on most fronts and if he had cared at all, even Jerry Rice would be looking up at him. As good as he is, it's difficult to look at his skills and athletic ability and feel that he fully used the gift he was given. That's what's so frustrating about him. He's an all time great even though he didn't give his supreme effort on every play. If he gave that effort there would be no question at all that he'd be the best to ever play WR and maybe even football period.

              And I agree, I'm not fully convinced that he's done. If the right offer came along I think he'd be playing.

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              • #8
                Re: Randy Moss to retire

                He was quite the journey man last year as he went from New England to Minnesota to Tennessee.

                Causing trouble with all of them.

                He's always been a great reciever and I'll remember him for that.

                I don't think he's done though.
                In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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