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  • Adelman interviewing for T-Wolves job

    Does that mean contrary to some reports he wasn't Bird's first choice to coach the Pacers.

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/126017313.html

    Adelman to interview Saturday


    Posted by: Jerry Zgoda under Wolves coaches, Wolves management, Wolves news

    Boom, there it is.

    According to league sources, former Houston coach Rick Adelman will be the fourth candidate to interview with the Wolves when he comes to town tomorrow to see David Kahn and owner Glen Taylor.

    Adelman all along has looked like the dream hire who'd solve a lot of the Wolves' problems, if he's interested.

    Well, it looks like he is now, at least enough to listen.

    Why is he the best they can do with this hire:

    * He has a track record, and a .605 winning percentage (945-616) in 20 seasons with Portland, Golden State, Sacramento and Houston. His Portland teams made the NBA finals twice and his Sacramento teams pushed the Lakers to the brink out West.

    * Believer in a passing offense similar in many ways to what Kurt Rambis believes, he has shown a willingness for his teams to play fast. Those Kings teams with Bibby, Webber, Vlade were fun -- and fast -- to watch.

    * Most importantly perhaps is this:

    He has known Kevin Love for years and his hiring would be a BIG step toward convincing Love to sign a long-term contract extension.

    Love and Adelman's son played on the same Lake Oswego, Ore.,high school team and Adelman saw nearly every game Love played during his senior season when he was in between jobs with the Kings and Rockets.

    * So why would he take the job?

    Love, $$$ and the chance to coach again.

    It has been widely assumed around the NBA that Adelman, at age 65, will only coach again for a veteran team. \

    But now the Lakers have hired Mike Brown and guys like Rick Carlisle, Doc Rivers, Tom Thibodeau, Stan Van Gundy and Gregg Popovich, what such options are out there in the next few years?

    This is a team with a lot of young talent -- emphasis on the young -- that needs to be molded just right.

    If you're confident in your abilities and Glen Taylor is willing to pay $4-5 million a year...
    Adelman took the Houston job four years ago for the chance to coach Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady. This time, he's got Love and...Derrick Williams? Ricky Rubio? Michael Beasley or Anthony Randolph?

    I hear Rockets GM Daryl Morey is a big Rubio believer, so maybe some of that enthusiasm got transferred down to the head coach.

    Adelman's contract was not renewed by the Kings in 2006 or by the Rockets after last season.

    He sat out that 2006-07 season while he watched Love and his boy play prep ball and then chose the Rockets' job because of Ming and McGrady.

    "At the time, I was talking to two or three teams, and this was obviously the best situation," Adelman told the Associated Press late last season. "Those guys were here. They had won 50-plus games.

    "I had three experiences (before Houston). At two, I had a lot of talent and at one, I didn't. I won at two places and didn't win at the other. I figured it out that talent is pretty important, especially if you have a unique blend of a big guy who's one of the best in the league and a perimeter player who's one of the best in the league."

    He told reporters in the season's final week that he still has the passion to coach.

    "I don't think I've lost the desire to coach;" he said. "I think I still can do it.
    Last edited by Unclebuck; 07-22-2011, 03:57 PM.

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    Re: Adelman interviewing for T-Wolves job

    The whole world seems to be interviewing for this job
    "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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      Re: Adelman interviewing for T-Wolves job

      Just my opinion here but I believe that Frank Vogel was the coaching choice since the end of the regular season. Sure he might have thought about other coaches but nobody was ever really a serious candidate other than Frank.


      Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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      • #4
        Re: Adelman interviewing for T-Wolves job

        There was this report

        http://twitter.com/#!/jmikeNBAusat/s...55452521426944

        @jmikeNBAusat J. Michael Falgoust

        With #Pacers unable to lure Rick Adelman, they're sticking with Frank Vogel . Press conference tomorrow #nba

        5 Jul via web
        Might not mean anything of course.

        It's still surprising to me that Adelman is interested. The Twolves, while young and talented, aren't a well-constructed roster.

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        • #5
          Re: Adelman interviewing for T-Wolves job

          The Wolves should've hired him like 5 years ago when Houston did. He was the best available coach then and he's by far the best available right now. I don't think he'd instantly make them a contender, but he has a habit of squeezing every possible win out of a roster no matter who is on it, and I don't think this would be an exception. If they hire him and make a couple solid smaller moves, I think Minnesota could be a 30-35 win team next year no doubt.

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          • #6
            Re: Adelman interviewing for T-Wolves job

            Ok so Addleman thinks the T Pups are in a better situation than us?

            maybe he just doesnt like Nap or Bird , cause that makes little sense
            Sittin on top of the world!

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            • #7
              Re: Adelman interviewing for T-Wolves job

              Yeah...no kidding....I'd default to the "don't like Bird" excuse.

              The only reason I can see why the TWolves would be more appealing is cuz of Rubio, Wesley Johnson, KLove and Derrick Williams....but that's a really long road to go down in order to develop that core of Players.
              Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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              • #8
                Re: Adelman interviewing for T-Wolves job

                Don't think it has to do with Indy. If he is willing to be in Minnesota I see no reason why he wouldn't be willing to be in Indy.

                I could see not liking Bird. I can also see Simon not willing to pay Adelman what he wants.

                I like Adelman but I am very excited that Frank is the coach.

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                • #9
                  Re: Adelman interviewing for T-Wolves job

                  In the end, I think this job will go to Mike Woodson.

                  Also, the T-Wolves like Bernie Bickerstaff.
                  In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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                    Re: Adelman interviewing for T-Wolves job

                    Sam Amick: Adelman news is very surprising. Just talked to one of his recent former players over weekend who said "no way in hell" Adelman goes there. Twitter
                    Thast classic
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                      Re: Adelman interviewing for T-Wolves job

                      I never put much stock in the Adelman rumor, and this puts it to rest in my mind. I'm not as enamored with him as some, but I still think he's at least moderately sane. IOW, no way would he turn us down then go work for Kahn.
                      Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                        Re: Adelman interviewing for T-Wolves job

                        Only thing that would make sense, is the fact he was interested is possibly joining a front office someday. Perhaps he gets in good with the owners, as it's only a matter of time before Kahn is shown the door in my opinion.

                        It's a stretch, but you never know

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                          Re: Adelman interviewing for T-Wolves job

                          Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
                          Only thing that would make sense, is the fact he was interested is possibly joining a front office someday. Perhaps he gets in good with the owners, as it's only a matter of time before Kahn is shown the door in my opinion.

                          It's a stretch, but you never know
                          Given Bird's future with the Pacers Front Office and the possibility that he may leave after a season or two...I don't see why he wouldn't have the option to do the same in Indy. Of course, Pritchard could be that guy that takes over for Bird as well.....but as far as we know and what's been said.....he's not.
                          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                            Re: Adelman interviewing for T-Wolves job

                            Geez guys, has anyone given any thought to the idea that maybe the USA Today writer was wrong? That maybe Adelman was never offered the job? I have absolutely no idea about the guys credibility, so I'm not saying one way or another. It just seems that many have taken his word for gospel on this subject, while ignoring the idea that he was maybe wrong or misinformed about the Pacers interest.
                            Last edited by Tom White; 07-23-2011, 09:07 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Adelman interviewing for T-Wolves job

                              I dunno , but I think Minny is gonna end up having one hell of a team..
                              Adelman is a smart man .. He knows what he could be potentially walking into ..


                              In Minnesota, I see a young team with ALOT of talent and potential..

                              Everyone likes to use OKC as the model of comparison, when comparing young teams, but I think ,eventually the TWolves could very well end up being a much better young team if the stars align perfectly .. lol

                              I mean wow ...
                              damn, with the roster they have, if Adelman can put together a rotation of players that complement each other and can develop chemistry, they could become a dangerous team in a few years .... with a few roster tweaks in between-time ..

                              Their currently listed 2011/2012 roster ........

                              Ricky Rubio
                              Kevin Love
                              Derrick Williams
                              Michael Beasley
                              Wesley Johnson
                              Anthony Randolph
                              Nikola Pekovic
                              Darko Milicic
                              Lazar Hayward
                              Wayne Ellington
                              Brad Miller
                              Malcolm Lee
                              Sebastian Telfair
                              Luke Ridnour
                              Martell Webster
                              Anthony Tolliver
                              "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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