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  • Re: Deron Williams Signs with Turkish Club

    Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
    Here is a competing example:

    In Soccer, David Beckam was one of the most celebrated athletes of the past 20 years. Granted being English had alot to do with it. Towards the end of his elite playing days he took giant money grab pay day of 100 million dollars to sign with the LA Galaxy. He is now just considered a celebrity athlete. Heck he had mostly a ceremonial captain's role on the last World Cup team. David Beckam, once a great player now just considered and older player playing against inferior competition in America.......why would the same not be said about Kobe Bryant?
    Well Kobe is still a much better player than what Beckam was. And what about LeBron, Wade, Howard, Nowitzki and company, all at the top of their game? Its a very different situation where old, past their prime players come to MLS for some money, compared to players at the top of their game going to Europe to play there.

    And if you think they won't get paid, you are wrong. Quite frankly I think this whole thing by Williams is a bit of a stunt. I don't think he expects to be there very long, if at all. But if players seriously consider going over there, they will be paid very well.

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    • Re: Deron Williams Signs with Turkish Club

      Originally posted by Swish View Post
      Top superstars are not going to get paid more in Europe than they would in the NBA. Williams is proof.
      Hypothetically, Europe is more than capable of 'stealing' and sustaining a major league next to soccer, with NBA-like salaries. But it would take NBA shutting down for years, which will never happen.
      Still, Berlin Pacers? I'd get to a few games each year!
      Last edited by ballism; 07-08-2011, 04:36 PM.

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      • Re: Deron Williams Signs with Turkish Club

        No one has even attempted to answer my questions.

        1.) Someone said that CSKA Moscow has offered Kobe $50M in the past to play for them. If it's all about the money, then why didn't he leave the NBA then?
        2.) If the Pacers struggle to sign FA, because of location, then how in the hell are teams in Europe going to get players to sign?
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        • Re: Deron Williams Signs with Turkish Club

          Let's be real about the situation.

          European leagues didn't just pop up out of no where. They've been around for quite some time. Do you really not think that the NBPA hasn't already threatened that their players would simply go overseas?

          Are we really going to sit here and think that DWill just came up on this idea on his own, and that it hasn't been discussed between the NBA and the NBPA?

          Come on now....

          If Europe was able to absorb NBA players, and give them more money than the NBA is able too, it would have already happened.

          We were told how players were going to start going to Europe to get around the NBA's age limit rule. We were told how players were going to go to Europe to get better contracts, when Josh Childress left.

          Neither has happened. I wonder why......
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          • Re: Deron Williams Signs with Turkish Club

            Originally posted by Since86 View Post
            No one has even attempted to answer my questions.

            1.) Someone said that CSKA Moscow has offered Kobe $50M in the past to play for them. If it's all about the money, then why didn't he leave the NBA then?
            2.) If the Pacers struggle to sign FA, because of location, then how in the hell are teams in Europe going to get players to sign?
            1.) There was no such offer, no offer at all actually, Kobe was asked if he would play in Europe for 50m a year in interview, he said yes. But there was no offer.

            2.) Why wouldn't they, this an odd question.

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            • Re: Deron Williams Signs with Turkish Club

              Idk why someone wouldn't like to live in Paris or Rome because of location. It's about money, stability and image of the league (which leads to shoe deals etc).
              Sure, there's the thing of acclimatization in a foreign country. But everyone gets over it, so I'm not sure why US players wouldn't. Euro soccer leagues seem to attract US players just fine.

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              • Re: Deron Williams Signs with Turkish Club

                Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                I totally disagree, the NBA is a result of developing the best players in the world. Thats what makes it the best of the best. If the best players of the NBA leave for Europe it will cheapen their accomplishments. The level of competition will not match the NBA. You would expect these elite level players to win all sorts of European Championships. I can see it now, Kobe could average +30 over in Europe. The reaction will be hell, why not more? Look who he is playing against!
                I don't buy this. Great players are going to be great anywhere. Sure, the NBA may be the most competitive league and may hone the players' skills better...but unless someone is attempting to come back to the US at the age of 34 after being there 5 years...I would say it's a non-factor. One or two years will change nothing either in their skill level or their reputations. Give me an example of someone who lost their edge after one year overseas...and returned less effective.

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                • Re: Deron Williams Signs with Turkish Club

                  http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/n...ory?id=6753259

                  Originally posted by Chris Broussard
                  SAN DIEGO -- Though he plans to play in Turkey during the lockout, New Jersey Nets point guard Deron Williams will rejoin the NBA as soon as an agreement on a collective bargaining agreement is reached. But if the owners break the players and get the proposal they're pushing for, Williams believes some stars could opt to play overseas long term.

                  "If the proposal (the owners) have, if that's what they're sticking with and that's what they want, then I think it would be hard for a lot of guys to come back to the NBA," Williams said Friday in an interview at a private golf resort in San Diego.

                  Williams said any collective bargaining agreement that would leave stars such as Kobe Bryant making only $11 million a year -- the owners have proposed cutting players' salaries by roughly a third -- could open the door for an unprecedented exodus to Europe.

                  "(Kobe) could go make more money overseas, I guarantee you." said Williams, who has a one-year, $5 million deal with Besiktas. "If (European teams) knew he could be there for a full season, or they knew I could be there for a full season, or they knew LeBron James could be there for a full season, they'll pay more money, of course."

                  If other stars follow Williams to Europe during the lockout, it could be a blow to the league's owners, giving the players' union the leverage it needs to fight off the owners' demands. Williams said he spoke with the union before agreeing to play in Turkey to make sure he wasn't damaging its cause. He said NBPA executive director Billy Hunter was in favor of the move.

                  "I talked to Mr. Hunter and he said he supported it," Williams said. "He was happy for me. He thought I made a great decision, a business decision. He was behind me."

                  Williams' new coach, Ergin Ataman of Besiktas, has said he hopes to sign Bryant to play alongside Williams. But Williams can see Bryant signing elsewhere first.

                  "I see him going to China or somewhere," said Williams, who teamed with Bryant to help the U.S. win the gold medal at the 2008 Beijing Olympics. "He's big in China. I was over there with him in Beijing. He's 'The Man' over there."

                  Williams said he has not spoken with Bryant, but he estimates he's heard from 10 to 15 other players, some of them superstars, since his decision to play overseas became public. He said many players are willing to follow his lead.

                  "I've talked to a lot of players, you would be surprised," he said, refusing to name names. "I talked to a few before and I knew some guys were considering it as well. But since it came out, it was just like a snowball of guys calling me (saying) 'What are you doing? When are you leaving?' And guys want to go too. They want to do it."

                  Williams said he started thinking about playing overseas two years ago, when the union began telling players a lockout was likely. While he has not been allowed to speak with the Nets since the lockout was imposed on July 1, Williams made them aware of his intentions before the work stoppage.

                  Williams, who has two years and $34 million remaining on his deal, can opt out next summer. If the entire season is lost to the lockout, it could mean he never plays another game for the Nets. With the club scheduled to move to Brooklyn for the 2012-2013 season, that would be a crushing blow to the franchise, which traded Devin Harris, Derrick Favors and two first-round draft picks to Utah for Williams in February.

                  Williams said he has not yet decided whether he will opt out, but he admitted it would be unfortunate for him and the Nets if the season is canceled.

                  "I think it will kind of put a damper on things because I want to see where the Nets are going this season," Williams said. "See what kind of additions we can make, because that will definitely help. But I don't know. I still can't really say anything until the new CBA because who knows if I even can opt out? There's no telling."

                  Williams spoke highly of the Nets' organization, saying he played golf with GM Billy King and coach Avery Johnson before the lockout. The club has pitched Williams on being the face of the new franchise in Brooklyn, and he likes what he's heard so far.

                  "They have big dreams for Brooklyn and I can kind of picture that," he said. "It kind of excites me. I think it can be big."

                  If Williams, who had surgery on his right wrist in April, were to get hurt in Turkey, the Nets could void his contract. He said he is in the process of securing personal insurance against injury just in case. But ultimately, he isn't worried about injury.

                  "People say, 'Oh, you're going to get hurt,'" Williams said. "I can get hurt playing at (the University of San Diego) or wherever I'm at. I can get hurt walking down these steps. Of course, that's a big part of it. But I also did my due diligence, researched insurance. I'll be covered."

                  Some have speculated that Williams, who has made more than $40 million over his six-year career, is going overseas because he needs the money. He laughed at that notion.

                  "It's ridiculous," he said. "We've known this lockout's coming. I have plenty of money saved for the lockout purpose. Now, I don't even need to touch that money. I can invest that money. I can go grow that money. It's not something that's money-driven.

                  "It's more about the experience. Experience and being able to compete and play basketball. I don't want to sit around. That's what the NBA wants us to do right now. They locked us out of our gyms, they locked us out of facilities. We got to go find somewhere on our own to go hoop, to put games together. I don't have to do that. I've got a team. I'm going to go through organized practices. I'm going to be in game situations. So if the lockout is lifted, I'm going to be ready to play."

                  Williams has not yet signed his contract with Besiktas, but the franchise's management team is planning to come to the United States next week to wrap everything up. While there is a clause in the contract that will allow him to return to the NBA whenever the lockout ends, he doesn't see that happening quickly.

                  "I don't see a deal getting done anytime soon," he said, "because we're so far apart."

                  Williams spoke extensively with his former Utah Jazz teammate Mehmet Okur, who is from Turkey, before making his decision. He also spoke with former University of Illinois teammate Dee Brown, who has played professionally in Turkey. He did not get to speak with Allen Iverson, who played briefly for Besiktas last season.

                  Williams will take his wife and four kids with him to Istanbul, where the team will provide them with an apartment, a car and personal security.

                  "It's just different," Williams said. "There is no other time in my career that I'll be able to go live and play in another city, experience a different lifestyle, see new things. I'm looking forward to it."
                  Chris Broussard is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine.

                  Follow Chris Broussard on Twitter: @chris_broussard

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                  • Re: Deron Williams Signs with Turkish Club

                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    The funny part in all this 3rd world country argument is that if Indiana was a country by itself, it would be a 3rd world country


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                    • Re: Deron Williams Signs with Turkish Club

                      Deron is doing what I would expect all the players to do. That is, make use of the free market. I'm glad he's doing this.

                      Am I surprised there is no talk of the NBPA forming a new league? Nope....because the NBA as it is presently constructed is not profitable for most owners. Otherwise, there would be people taking up that opportunity.

                      This is why the players really only have one option and it's what Deron is doing...playing for another organized league overseas...probably for less money...because the money players make in the NBA isn't based on economics of the business. It's based on whatever a billionaire is willing to burn to have their hobby.

                      So, go for it Deron. Good for you, dude. This is what it's all about...

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                      • Re: Deron Williams Signs with Turkish Club

                        Originally posted by Deron Williams
                        If the proposal (the owners) have, if that's what they're sticking with and that's what they want, then I think it would be hard for a lot of guys to come back to the NBA," Williams said Friday in an interview at a private golf resort in San Diego.
                        Deron Williams said that the NBA won't be financially appealing to players from A PRIVATE GOLF RESORT! HAHAHAHAHA.

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                        • Re: Deron Williams Signs with Turkish Club

                          Originally posted by dal9 View Post
                          http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/n...ory?id=6753259


                          Chris Broussard is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine.

                          Follow Chris Broussard on Twitter: @chris_broussard
                          Total bluff.

                          1) Most NBA players will make significantly less overseas, which negates the whole point of the players' stance during the lockout. They're now cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

                          B) Most NBA players, particularly those with family, won't want to go overseas, especially for equal or less money.

                          Personally, I hope all these spoiled players go overseas and stay there.

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                          • Re: Deron Williams Signs with Turkish Club

                            It's easy to play for $5m a season when you've already made several multiples of that in your career. Try convincing players on their rookie deals that this is the life for them instead of the NBA and making more money when this is over.

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                            • Re: Deron Williams Signs with Turkish Club

                              Deron is as short sighted as they come.

                              If a top-3 point guard in the world can only bank $5 million, what message does that send everyone else?

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                              • Re: Deron Williams Signs with Turkish Club

                                Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                                Deron is as short sighted as they come.

                                If a top-3 point guard in the world can only bank $5 million, what message does that send everyone else?
                                I'm assuming it's only $5 million for two reasons:

                                1. From the article: "There is a clause in the contract that will allow him to return to the NBA whenever the lockout ends." He's taking a pay cut because he has an insanely flexible opt out contract. He says later: "If (European teams) knew he could be there for a full season, or they knew I could be there for a full season, or they knew LeBron James could be there for a full season, they'll pay more money, of course." Were he to sign a true multi-year deal I doubt it would be for only 5 mil.

                                2. If I remember correctly, the Euro season is shorter, around half of an NBA season, and definitely shorter than the 90+ games Williams has been playing a season for most of his career.
                                Last edited by King Tuts Tomb; 07-10-2011, 09:10 PM.

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