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Funny Tweet from Roy

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  • #31
    Re: Funny Tweet from Roy

    Originally posted by Hicks View Post
    He's not the first or only player tweeting something like that today.

    I don't care for it. At all.
    I'm not trying to stir a debate here, but how is this offensive? If I lost my job and tweeted or made a status about it, I think I would post something similar. Is it because he makes more money than we do?

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    • #32
      Re: Funny Tweet from Roy

      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
      Except he's not really out of a job, he still has a contract that employs him as an NBA player. It is his and the other NBA players decision that they are not currently allowed to play in there. I don't have any pity for the players, they have a great deal and if they even made some slight concessions this would not be an issue.
      How much say in this does a singular player actually have here? Danny has almost seemed to be on the owners side in some of his comments. Its kinda telling that a bunch of max salary players are the ones in union leadership roles.

      If Roy wanted nothing to do with the drama and just wanted to play and had no issue with the owners making a little money what could he actually do about it? I am sure there are underpaid young skilled players who were not a fan of JO making 20+ million a year to wear a suit.

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      • #33
        Re: Funny Tweet from Roy

        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
        Except he's not really out of a job, he still has a contract that employs him as an NBA player. It is his and the other NBA players decision that they are not currently allowed to play in there. I don't have any pity for the players, they have a great deal and if they even made some slight concessions this would not be an issue.
        I don't know anything about the lockout. I mean nothing. But it is always strange to me how the normal fan tends to jump on the players first over the owners. number 1, the owners are the ones that signed these contracts and should have to live with their bad business deals. number 2, the players are a lot closer to the normal working man then these billionaire owners.

        Not really directed at you, I just think it's strange that the players seem to always "take the blame."

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        • #34
          Re: Funny Tweet from Roy

          I'd pay Roy or Danny a hundred bucks to spend the day with my family on my Grandma's birthday party next week
          Senior at the University of Louisville.
          Greenfield ---> The Ville

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          • #35
            Re: Funny Tweet from Roy

            Originally posted by redfoster View Post
            Only on Pacers Digest...
            I doubt that.

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            • #36
              Re: Funny Tweet from Roy

              Originally posted by ndcoltsnpacers View Post
              I wonder if there's a tribe in Africa or wherever who gets together to complain about us Americans and our Internet access and the way we use it to complain about professional athletes complaining about how bad their situation is despite being so much better off than everyone else.
              Do they have Twitter?

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              • #37
                Re: Funny Tweet from Roy

                Originally posted by billbradley View Post
                I'm not trying to stir a debate here, but how is this offensive? If I lost my job and tweeted or made a status about it, I think I would post something similar. Is it because he makes more money than we do?
                It's not just that he makes so much money, enough to easily support him during the lockout, but also that things will go back to normal (essentially) the moment this is over.

                Saying he's "out of a job" isn't just inaccurate, it comes across (apparently only to some and not others) as a weak attempt to equate their situation to those of us who actually have financial problems that could one day make/break us.

                I think it's just one of those things where it either rubs you the wrong way, or it doesn't. I'm not judging anyone who took it differently than me.

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                • #38
                  Re: Funny Tweet from Roy

                  If you guys are upset about Roy's then you'll just love Wade's.

                  DwyaneWade Dwyane Wade



                  Time to cash in on those favors...@KevinHart4real is that job still available?? You know the one where I write your jokes???

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                  I'm available for all bar and bat mitzvah and weddings..but my specialty is balloon animals..

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                  "@DwyaneWade: My strengths: work well with others..My weakness: I sometime get fatigue"

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                  My strengths: work well with others..My weakness: I'm sometime get fatigue

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                  Any1 hiring?
                  "Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back." - Larry Bird

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                  • #39
                    Re: Funny Tweet from Roy

                    I will say this and then I am done:

                    When was the last time you took your social or moral cues from an athlete? For me, it was never.

                    So why hold them accountable for stupid **** they tweet about? This doesn't directly affect any of you, so why does this even show up on your radar?
                    Twitter: @redfoster
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                    Smits Happens: Totally Biased NBA News and Opinion

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                    • #40
                      Re: Funny Tweet from Roy

                      Wade and some other NBA players on Twitter have had some pretty funny comments about the lockout--even Ty Lawson had a GREAT one directed towards David Stern--but the thing with Roy's comment is that he didn't put a particular mood to it anyway--just a simple statement and he wasn't making jokes like Wade or anything like that. So I don't see what all the fuss is about for the tweet by Big Roy.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Funny Tweet from Roy

                        If someone needs an IT job, I know of some available.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Funny Tweet from Roy

                          Originally posted by redfoster View Post
                          I will say this and then I am done:

                          When was the last time you took your social or moral cues from an athlete? For me, it was never.

                          So why hold them accountable for stupid **** they tweet about? This doesn't directly affect any of you, so why does this even show up on your radar?
                          So I'm not allowed to like or dislike what I read unless it gives me my social or moral cues or otherwise directly affects me? Huh? It's just an opinion.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Funny Tweet from Roy

                            And in case there's a misconception going here, I'll make this much clear: I'm not mad or upset with Roy at all.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Funny Tweet from Roy

                              Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                              It's not just that he makes so much money, enough to easily support him during the lockout, but also that things will go back to normal (essentially) the moment this is over.

                              Saying he's "out of a job" isn't just inaccurate, it comes across (apparently only to some and not others) as a weak attempt to equate their situation to those of us who actually have financial problems that could one day make/break us.

                              I think it's just one of those things where it either rubs you the wrong way, or it doesn't. I'm not judging anyone who took it differently than me.
                              I think I see your point, basically you're saying that things will go back to normal eventually so he doesn't have a problem. Again, I would tweet the same thing thinking that eventually, I will find a job. Also, I think there are players in make/break situations living check to check for mortgages, family, loans, etc. If something happened to Roy in the offseason, I doubt he would be able to pay off what he has borrowed with his rookie contract. Sometimes you're in a tough situation and you look at it from a sarcastic "it is what it is" point of view.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Funny Tweet from Roy

                                Originally posted by righteouscool View Post
                                I don't know anything about the lockout. I mean nothing. But it is always strange to me how the normal fan tends to jump on the players first over the owners. number 1, the owners are the ones that signed these contracts and should have to live with their bad business deals. number 2, the players are a lot closer to the normal working man then these billionaire owners.

                                Not really directed at you, I just think it's strange that the players seem to always "take the blame."
                                Because teams like NYK, LAL, Boston, Chicago all have revenue sources that small market teams do not.

                                The current system has a slap on the wrist for overspending, so teams that can overspend do just that. Which makes a ripple-effect, that makes teams that can't afford it spend more money in order to stay competitive.

                                A "hard cap" isn't a player punishment. It's a system that wouldn't allow big market teams to spend their way to winning, while other teams try to follow suit but end up broke with no titles to show for it.

                                The Lakers have a $90mil payroll. The Pacers can't match that. They're losing millions of dollars a year, and they're payroll is only about $70mil.

                                Ultimately it is the owners fault, they're the one's spending the money and are the one's who agree'd to this system even after the players came crawling back to the table. But it's the players fault for being so damn stubborn, when the owners are trying to bring the system back to a financially profitable, and ultimately sustainable place.


                                That's the basic of it, IMHO.

                                New York has the ability to overspend and still make a profit. Indy does not. So now the system needs to change NY's ability to merely overspend in order to get a competitive team.
                                Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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