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    That's what Larry wanted to improve this year and we got of to one hell of a start getting one of the better 6th men in the league. Enough with all this talk about "should hill start" talk and so on. The man is a combo guard for a reason. He could start the 1 or 2 cause of injury but should be the first one coming of the bench in a reguar situation and hell of a spark. We all know the only thing we need is some front court depth and that's what we should be focused on. Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents. Go Pacers

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    I'm am of the thinking that Collison will start, but Hill Will finish, his size and length and ability to create off the dribble will come in handy at the end of games. I don't see how you don't have Hill in at the end of the game.

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    Yeah there should be times where Hill gets more minute because of defensive match ups.

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    Hibbert's Jump hook is unblockable.
    It gets blocked pretty often by Roy's shadow.
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    Our depth is fine. we need our young guys (DC/George/Hibbert) to keep improving, Granger to play like he did in playoffs/MIP year, and in my opinion we need a quality starting PF as well. Tyler and Hill off the bench would guarantee a Pacer is going to get 6th man of the year award

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    I tried posting an in depth analysis.. very similar too this thread but didnt have any luck for some reason. Maybe I can post this message.

    I think Carl Landry is the FA Bird is going too target this offseason. No link, just a hunch. We can then save the remaining cap space for Gordon in 2012.

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    Our depth is fine. we need our young guys (DC/George/Hibbert) to keep improving, Granger to play like he did in playoffs/MIP year, and in my opinion we need a quality starting PF as well. Tyler and Hill off the bench would guarantee a Pacer is going to get 6th man of the year award
    Well needing our young core to keep improving is a given, but Bird states he wanted the best bench in the NBA. So depth IMO is a very big issue. And yes I also agree we need a PF and Hans would be great as a backup/ sparkplug

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    I tried posting an in depth analysis.. very similar too this thread but didnt have any luck for some reason.

    Same here. I spent a great deal of time putting a long lengthy post together earlier on another thread only to not get to post it. I just figured the problem was on my end. Apparently not.

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    Bird tried trading for Landry last season.. during the trade deadline and NO's got him for Thorton i believe.

    So we know Bird has interest in Carl Landry. He is basicallly a younger version of David West and may come much cheaper.

    Is Landry from Indiana.. ?? we may end up having like 5 or 6 guys from Indy as our core here very soon.. lol. add Oden and Gordon too the mix.

    but in all seriousness, if Landry is the PF Bird targets.. would you all consider it a good/bad move?

    I like Landrys game, its obvious in the right system he can excel.. but he is sorta undersized as far as PF's go, and we already have one undersized PF in Tyler.

    I would be cool with a frontcourt rotation as follows:

    PF: Landry, Hansbrough, McBob
    C: Hibbert, Foster, McBob, Stanko

    would be a nice move for the right price.

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    we dont need anymore depth we need some star power. whether that be one of our young guys deciding to step up or a free agent (obviously not this year). but we def need a starting PF i just hope we dont give whoever we get to big of a contract

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    we dont need anymore depth we need some star power. whether that be one of our young guys deciding to step up or a free agent (obviously not this year). but we def need a starting PF i just hope we dont give whoever we get to big of a contract
    agreed.. but the star power is not coming this offseason. lack of stars in FA and the CBA lockout looming.

    Landry will be the extent of FA spending this offseason and thats the right move. Save the majority of spending on next offseasons FA class.

    2011 projected roster:

    PG: DC, Hill, Price, Stephenson

    SG: Hill, George, DJ, Stephenson

    SF: Granger, George

    PF: Landry, Hansbrough, McBob

    C: Hibbert, Foster, McBob, Stanko


    Posey will be bought out, and I dont think Rush will be here. just a hunch on Landry but I think he will be added for the right price. How does that roster look going into 2011... with 20+Million too spend in the next FA offseason.

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    I'm not disagreeing about an upgrade at the PF. I really would like to get Millsap and have said so in prior posts. I love Hans but Millsap and Hans rotation would be sick

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    Landry is from Milwaukee and went to Purdue.

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    I don't get the Landry fixation. He's a good player, but not the guy we need. He'd be great off the bench if we didn't already have Tyler in that role.

    We need a defensive glass-eater who can keep defenses honest.
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    I'm not disagreeing about an upgrade at the PF. I really would like to get Millsap and have said so in prior posts. I love Hans but Millsap and Hans rotation would be sick
    I think most posters would like Milsap but its going to cost and a few teams will be able to out bid us in a trade for his services.

    This team needs an injection of attitude and I know this person has been mentioned before but I will keep on mentioning him.

    IF Tyson Chandler can play pf then I think you go after him with a big contract. I am not sure if he can but teams like the little old Lakers have made a big line up work and I think he is the best fit for a BIG lineup to dominate the paint.

    Chandler would be the tone setter and physical presence that would unite this team on the defensive end. That is exactly what we need IMO.

    The biggest reason that I would pay him big bucks is that he is worth 2 contracts IF he can play the pf position.

    I can't think of another guy that could come in and play the startig pf/backup center role at a high level like Chandler. I know many of you think Nene can but I don't.

    MOst of the suggestion are good and I have made some of the same ones but Chandler is by the toughest guy we could go after this season and probably the biggest change in the Mavs lineup that changed their post season this year from seasons past.

    My biggest hope is that the new CBA takes away Dallas's chances of resigning him.

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    Landry would be wasted money - he's another backup level player. We have plenty of those. He doesn't even upgrade an existing weakness. If they acquire someone below starter level, he needs to at least provide an element they are missing - toughness and rebounding. They were manhandled inside in the Chicago series. If nothing else is available, then sit on the money. Keep the flexibility until it can be used wisely.

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    he's another backup level player. /QUOTE]


    Bird just traded for what you described.

    Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

    I agree that he Pacers need another PF. They need a player that can rebound and play "D". Varejao meets these requirements to a T. Plus he can play b/u Center, something too many on this board are under the misconception he can. ( McBob can't play "D" well enough for a center, and he has no bttb game either.) Andy would work well a a PF next to Hibbert and as a Center next to Hans. To me, he's the X-factor T-Bird alluded to numerous times.

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    I don't get the Landry fixation. He's a good player, but not the guy we need. He'd be great off the bench if we didn't already have Tyler in that role.

    We need a defensive glass-eater who can keep defenses honest.
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    Well needing our young core to keep improving is a given, but Bird states he wanted the best bench in the NBA. So depth IMO is a very big issue. And yes I also agree we need a PF and Hans would be great as a backup/ sparkplug
    Just because Bird says something doesn't make it true. It is not a bad thing to improve the bench, in fact it is a good thing, but we already had a pretty good bench. According to unit +/- our second best unit was Price, Rush, Granger, McRoberts, and Foster.

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    but in all seriousness, if Landry is the PF Bird targets.. would you all consider it a good/bad move?
    In my opinion it would be a lateral move. I would rather give McRoberts a chance.

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    If we are getting a big, let's get someone who has legit size and isn't going to get pushed around.

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    getting Landry would improve our bench regardless of who starts... therefore making us a better team. it isnt that complicated.

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    But Landry would demand money and he isn't all that good. If we're gonna overpay someone, I'd rather overpay a guy like Nene or David West or even take on a bad contract like Blatche, not waste cash on a guy who won't make us better

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    I am going to be enjoying myself when this power forward comes in that is suppose to replace Hansbrough in the starting line up. If he gets the job done I predict it will not last a month before Tyler will be back as a starter.

    That said I do like Tyler as a bench player in that there are too many guys on the starting unit trying to be scorers as is. Not enough of a basketball there for Granger, Hibbert, and Collison as it is. If Tyler goes to the bench it will end up like it did last year for a time when our bench outplayed our starters to the point that some of the bench ended the year as starters.

    If Tyler and Hill are both a part of the bench next year then it will be a repeat of last year in that respect - go in to rescue the mess the starters have made. Good luck with that new power forward guys. For me seeing is believing and who knows I have had to eat my words before so maybe you are right and I am wrong. Time will tell.

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    I am going to be enjoying myself when this power forward comes in that is suppose to replace Hansbrough in the starting line up. If he gets the job done I predict it will not last a month before Tyler will be back as a starter.
    I agree with you on someone like Carl Landry, but if we were to get a prize like Nene, there's little chance that Hansbrough sees the starting lineup again if not for injury.

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    I tried posting an in depth analysis.. very similar too this thread but didnt have any luck for some reason. Maybe I can post this message.

    I think Carl Landry is the FA Bird is going too target this offseason. No link, just a hunch. We can then save the remaining cap space for Gordon in 2012.
    I hope you are correct regarding Landry. If I were Bird I would try to acquire Gordon after a CBA is finalized perhaps this summer. Granger will soon lose his trade value.

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