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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • OT: I want a laptop.

    The problem is, I don't want one that badly. Anything over $1000 I won't even look at, and I'd like to go lower.

    I can't seem to go much lower. I guess laptops are still considered a "luxury" rather than "commodity" item, as they're still priced way to high in my opinion.

    Anybody buy a laptop recently? Any brands/models/suppliers to stay away from?
    This space for rent.

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    Re: OT: I want a laptop.

    I just bought one... check out www.velocitymicro.com

    They have really good deals (I don't know about anything under 1000 though...)
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    • #3
      Re: OT: I want a laptop.

      Originally posted by btowncolt
      I bought one in August. Works fine for me, but I'm a poor college student who couldn't afford a really nice one.
      Specs?
      This space for rent.

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        Re: OT: I want a laptop.

        you could goto Ebay , or Dell Sells alot of there old Leases Laptops , there pretty nice also ..I have one and you should be able to get a nice one for under 1,000.00

        No it's not gonna be a P4 or anything like that , but I seen some at dell around 2 ghz for about 750.00 and that's pretty fast. I also have a old 300mhz Toshiba and it cooks for only 300mhz.

        The one I have from dell is :

        Dell Inspiron 4150 Notebook Internet Ready 2.2GHz Intel Pentium IV Processor 256MB RAM 20GB Hard Drive DVD/CDRW Combo Drive 56K Modem 10/100 Network Card 1.44MB Floppy Sound And Video 14.1 Inch Active Matrix Display

        Paid $750.00 plus shipping
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        • #5
          Re: OT: I want a laptop.

          My last 4 or 5 laptops have been Dells. I like them. Only had one problem - the screen on the last one of mine went out right when the warranty was up. I was kinda pissed, but I guess not *that* pissed since I bought another one.

          They have good sales with discounts and rebates occasionally. I don't know of any now, but I'll keep my eye out for you.

          My current Dell is a 9100. Very powerful, but I wouldn't recommend it due to its enormous size.
          You're caught up in the Internet / you think it's such a great asset / but you're wrong, wrong, wrong
          All that fiber optic gear / still cannot take away the fear / like an island song

          - Jimmy Buffett

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          • #6
            Re: OT: I want a laptop.

            I had to buy an apple iBook G4 as an ElEd major at BSU, and after I've gotten used to the differences between macOS and Windows, it's pretty nice.

            btw, I love wireless internet.

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            • #7
              Re: OT: I want a laptop.

              I just got a new laptop last week. $1,059 and only $5.99 shipping and no tax.

              http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...115-142&depa=3



              It's a Acer, years ago I know they did suck. I have been looking for the last 6+ months and this Laptop had the most features for the cheapest price. Dell, IBM, Toshiba all would have cost around $1,800 for the same hardware. I was kinda expecting to be disappointed, but this is a awesome Laptop. If you have any questions about it, let me know.
              "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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              • #8
                Re: OT: I want a laptop.

                btowncolt - are you at iu?

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                • #9
                  Re: OT: I want a laptop.

                  Acer has worked itself int he top ranking as far as quality and features is concerned, thankfully their price remains "friendly".

                  I would go for one of those

                  (I use one and use is underrated for what I do with it, it is now 18 months old, P4 2.4 Ghz. 60Gb 512 Mb and no those are not standard specs, certainly not 18 months ago and it has made me more happy then any Sony, Tosh, or IBM I had before, Dell I don't even discuss, you have a happy experience, but in general you will be screwed. unless as saucy did, lease returns, they offer value for money.)

                  forget the "build-in" wireless as important, an nice PCMCIA wireless card (try and go for the Orinoco/Lucent, there simply is no better) will set you no more back then $ 30 nad gives you a better quality.)

                  What do i consider work? my notebook has seen a lot of diferent environments, is used about 18 hours a day, 7 days a week, my "mouse" buttons are black instead of silver and certain keys are faded as well, that's how much it is used, zipping between XP and Linux on wired, wireless, dialup and adls modems.
                  It has mroe then 30 preset connections and over 100 shares set up, yes it is a work horse and still runs beautifull, only had to replace the battery last week, but that is normal for the usage that had seen.
                  So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                  If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                  Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                  • #10
                    Re: OT: I want a laptop.

                    I've worked with quite a few Workstation type laplops over the last couple of years and as far as those go, I tend to prefer the Dell models over the IBM, Compaq (HP), Fujitsu or NEC ones that I've had experiences with. The panels tend to be larger and the keyboard seems to have a more "normal" spacing for the layout (which means heavier but I'd rather have a bit heavier mobile system than one that feels cramped). I realize that Dell has tradionally kicked everyone else's butt in tech support but I don't know if that's true anymore. For the price range you are looking at I'm not real sure where to go. You can certainly get top name OEM systems that cheap, but I'd tend to agree with Able and say you'd get a better deal for your money with someone like Acer. And you know how to take care of your computer so you shouldn't need the tech support costs that would be bundled in with your laptop if it were a Dell or a Compaq. My $0.02.
                    Mickael Pietrus Le site officiel

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                    • #11
                      Re: OT: I want a laptop.

                      No Offense , but I wouldn't own a acer , I know when I worked in a Electronics store Acer was the Most Returned outta all the Computers , only think that keeps them in the market is there price.

                      Best Laptops I have owned are Toshiba and Dell , Now I have owned a Sony , There nice and reliable but the price I feel is way over inflated cause it's Sony , but there well worth it.

                      Also agree with Able , get yourself a nice PCMCIA wireless card , much better.
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                      • #12
                        Re: OT: I want a laptop.

                        I'd go with the Acer.. I did a lot of research before buying my laptop... Acer was my second choice... I would avoid the Dells.. They seemed to have the most tech support issues that were left unresolved.
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                        • #13
                          Re: OT: I want a laptop.

                          Doug pointed this out, which has me intrigued.

                          "Starts Tomorrow 10/19 6:00am CST. Dell Home has code ZD5$P0NS954P16 for $750 off $1500 on select Inspiron notebook. Valid through 10/20 5:59am CST.

                          May not be combinable with Deals of the Week, dollars off, percentages off or select other promotions. Only one coupon may be applied per cart at checkout. "

                          I've been putting together a package that I like (I'd like it more if I could get Athlon instead of Intel), but I'm struggling with the wireless bit... can anybody tell me about what differentiates these?
                          - Dell® Wireless 1350 Internal Wireless (802.11b/g, 54Mbps) [add $26 or $1/month1]
                          - Intel® PRO/Wireless 2200 Internal Wireless (802.11 b/g, 54Mbps) [add $35 or $1/month1]
                          - Dell® Wireless 1450 Internal Wireless (802.11a/b/g, 54Mbps) [add $44 or $1/month1]

                          I don't need 802.11a, but what's the diff between the other two? Any idea? Am I better off just buying a PMCIA Linksys card or something?
                          This space for rent.

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                            Re: OT: I want a laptop.

                            Originally posted by ILovethePacers
                            I'd go with the Acer.. I did a lot of research before buying my laptop... Acer was my second choice... I would avoid the Dells.. They seemed to have the most tech support issues that were left unresolved.
                            I have owned around 10 Dell Home Pc's over the years , Kids machines , and Laptops ..Had 2 issues

                            Video Card on 1 and the modem on another , called them up and they next dair aired me replacements and even sent me prepaid postage to mail back the bad parts. I still have 5 Dell Machines running various speeds from 366 mhz to 1 ghz and they all run great.

                            Dells problem is they offer those cheap PC's which attracts newbie PC people who do things that they shouldn't do

                            Also when I was in the hosting a data storage bussiness I used Dell Poweredge servers owned over 200 of them at one time , rarely had a major issue. I Realize no company is perfect there is gonna be good and bad , but overall Dell has treated me right when I used them and had a issue , they always went above and beyond for me.

                            Remember the old saying , you get what you pay for you wanna buy a 500.00 pc your gonna get a 500.00 pc with cheap parts. Don't buy a KIA when you want a BMW


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                            • #15
                              Re: OT: I want a laptop.

                              Originally posted by Anthem
                              Doug pointed this out, which has me intrigued.

                              "Starts Tomorrow 10/19 6:00am CST. Dell Home has code ZD5$P0NS954P16 for $750 off $1500 on select Inspiron notebook. Valid through 10/20 5:59am CST.

                              May not be combinable with Deals of the Week, dollars off, percentages off or select other promotions. Only one coupon may be applied per cart at checkout. "

                              I've been putting together a package that I like (I'd like it more if I could get Athlon instead of Intel), but I'm struggling with the wireless bit... can anybody tell me about what differentiates these?
                              - Dell® Wireless 1350 Internal Wireless (802.11b/g, 54Mbps) [add $26 or $1/month1]
                              - Intel® PRO/Wireless 2200 Internal Wireless (802.11 b/g, 54Mbps) [add $35 or $1/month1]
                              - Dell® Wireless 1450 Internal Wireless (802.11a/b/g, 54Mbps) [add $44 or $1/month1]

                              I don't need 802.11a, but what's the diff between the other two? Any idea? Am I better off just buying a PMCIA Linksys card or something?
                              PMCIA Linksys card would be the best route , just my opinion.

                              Hmmm , I may have to get me a new laptop , that's a pretty good deal , runs off to the Dell site.


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