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    The longer his situation is dragged out the more likely it is this man opts out and becomes a free agent. First some news from his front I just read:

    http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ss...ward_da_7.html

    David West said that he still hasn't decided whether to opt out of the final year of his contract with the Hornets.
    West intends to speak with the Hornets soon and "throw some ideas around," but we don't expect resolution until later in the week. He also mentioned that he has "total confidence" in his surgically-repaired knee, an injury that has made his potential free agency something of a gamble. Jun 24, 12:56 PM
    Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune
    If he is that confident in his knee and he thinks doctors will say so in workouts he will opt out.

    Now, let me also preface this by saying Josh Smith and Nene are my two top choices here but I also think those are less likely. Nene is looking more and more like he is signing with Denver and JSmooth would have to be a trade target which is anyone's guess really what will happen there. JJ Hickson is also intriguing but what will he cost? West though is likely going to be right there for the taking.

    Pros:

    • Offensive game at the PF spot we have not had in 20 years. And yes, that includes Jermaine O'Neal in his prime. He is a Two Time All Star for a reason
    • Is already familiar with Collison who when together ran one of the best Pick n Roll options in the West this side of well... Chris Paul and him. Ahem.
    • He's extremely efficient: 85% from the FT line, 50% from the field
    • He's also extremely consistent: His averages across the board are unbelievably reliable year to year
    • Good (not great) rebounder
    • Fast Hands: Solid passer and will even snag a couple steals
    • Big motor, high energy player
    • Very likeable guy. Won't get into trouble and will represent our Blue and Gold very well
    • Most of all for me: His recent Knee Surgery lowers his price.



    Cons:
    • Turns 31 this August
    • Knee Surgery - No matter what he says this is still a question mark
    • How does he fit next to Hibbert? I actually don't mind this, others seem to disagree
    • Not a huge Shot Blocker


    All in all I see a dynamic scoring PF that is still in his prime for a few more seasons who will bring leadership and meet numerous direct needs the Pacers have. More so I see a player that if he never got hurt would likely never sign with the Pacers to begin with and would demand a max or VERY close to it salary.

    This knee injury might have been a blessing in disguise for us. And when looking at next years unrestricted free Agent Crop I tend to lean towards this as our move compared to just sitting on the money for 2012.

    Not 100% convinced but the more I think about this move in the 9-11 million, 5 year deal range really makes sense to me. We'd still have some flexibility and with a starting 5 of:

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    David West
    Roy Hibbert

    With George Hill, Psycho T as the first two off the bench this team just became a force. Right now.

    West career Stats: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/david_...eer_stats.html
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    During the meet and greet Morway seemed very upset that West blew out his knee. I think that was the direction they had planned on going.
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    During the meet and greet Morway seemed very upset that West blew out his knee. I think that was the direction they had planned on going.
    Makes a lot of sense. The question will be if he checks out OK. If he does and we just snagged the same player for 3-5 million less then sign me up.

    Bird got a taste for the playoffs and he wants to win now IMO. West (if he checks out) should accomplish that.
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    No thank you.

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    If we went that route, I think I would look to trade Hansbrough for an athletic, rebounding, shot blocking, defending big off the bench. Preferably one who could player PF or Center. If his haircut resembles sideshow Bob, thats a plus too

    Need a tough guy and rebounding specialist if your front court is Hibbert-West because that sounds a tad soft to me. Add a Varejo into that mix and I like it a whole lot better.
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    If we can get him for under 10 mil a season and for a 1-4 year deal. I'm all for it. Anything more and I'd pass

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    Only if the price is right.

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    During the meet and greet Morway seemed very upset that West blew out his knee. I think that was the direction they had planned on going.
    Just to be clear...are you saying that during the Meet and Greet...the subject of David West came up and he reacted that way?
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    Not 100% convinced but the more I think about this move in the 9-11 million, 5 year deal range really makes sense to me. We'd still have some flexibility and with a starting 5 of:
    I agree with your thinking up until you discuss the above. I think that's too much money for someone coming off an injury, but the point I wanted to make was we don't know what the financial parameters of the new collective bargaining agreement will be. Plus he's likely to be 32 years old by the time ball is played again, so even if the new bargaining contract would allow it I think 5 years is way to long.

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    I agree with your thinking up until you discuss the above. I think that's too much money for someone coming off an injury, but the point I wanted to make was we don't know what the financial parameters of the new collective bargaining agreement will be. Plus he's likely to be 32 years old by the time ball is played again, so even if the new bargaining contract would allow it I think 5 years is way to long.
    What other All Star type talent can we sign for a better deal than that who will give us 20/8 on a nightly basis?

    And David West isn't soft. Hibbert? Maybe. But West holds his own in the post.
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    This is definitely a move to look into. I think West or Milsapp would be a good fit for this team

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    I also believe 5 years is too long for a 31 year old player coming off of a knee injury. I have been completely behind acquiring West, but do have my worries after the knee injury. Apparently Morway feels the same way.

    But if the knee checks out and the amount is more like 7M-8M per year, I'm on board for maybe 3 years with a 4th year option.

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    Pros:

    • Offensive game at the PF spot we have not had in 20 years. And yes, that includes Jermaine O'Neal in his prime. He is a Two Time All Star for a reason


    West career Stats: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/david_...eer_stats.html
    I really liked your post and loved where it was going until I got to the above points.

    Revisionist History really sucks.

    JO in his prime was a 6-time All-Star and he had several big games against New Orleans and David West. JO was also a much better defender. Even on one leg last year he was a better defender than West.

    I like David West and if he's healthy, I think he'd be a great addition to the Pacers. However, if I've learned anything from the ACL injuries to bigmen like Danny Manning, Antonio McDyess, Chris Webber, and Jermaine O'Neal it's that big guys don't play as well after blowing their knees out.

    Nene seems to be the only PF I can think of that has had success after an ACL injury. So the chances of David West being a shell of his former self is better than the chance that he'll ever be an All-Star level player again.
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    Larry is not coming back, he didn't have a meeting with Orlando for not reason, yeah he is coming back to the NBA but not to the Pacers, the notion that he is a taking a year off and then come back is absurd.
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    I was a fan of the West signing-plan before the injury, now I don't know what to think. It would take a lot to get him and I don't know if I'd be willing to pay it, especially after adding the (worthwhile) burden of re-signing Hill. If we plan to keep Hansbrough longterm it just seems like it'd make more sense to wait until a 4/5 hybrid type player comes available. Then again, signing West would be the quickest way to improve the team without giving up any assets. Tough decision, going to come down to how many years he wants and how much. My gut tells me West could be our version of Boozer - good, but occasionally gets outplayed by the backup and isn't really worth his contract.

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    I have a hard time giving big money to a big guy coming off major knee surgery on the wrong side of 30. After seeing guys like Jermaine O'Neal, Chris Webber, and Elton Brand never recover, I think I'd rather invest the big money into someone else.

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    Just to be clear...are you saying that during the Meet and Greet...the subject of David West came up and he reacted that way?
    My co-worker sat in for me (as I preferred to be in Area 55), but yes that's what he told me. They were talking about FA's and someone threw out the name David West and Morway looked pretty bummed about the whole situation. I'm not saying we were absolutely going to sign West, but that's what my buddy inferred from the meet and greet.
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    I really liked your post and loved where it was going until I got to the above points.

    Revisionist History really sucks.

    JO in his prime was a 6-time All-Star and he had several big games against New Orleans and David West. JO was also a much better defender. Even on one leg last year he was a better defender than West.

    I like David West and if he's healthy, I think he'd be a great addition to the Pacers. However, if I've learned anything from the ACL injuries to bigmen like Danny Manning, Antonio McDyess, Chris Webber, and Jermaine O'Neal it's that big guys don't play as well after blowing their knees out.

    Nene seems to be the only PF I can think of that has had success after an ACL injury. So the chances of David West being a shell of his former self is better than the chance that he'll ever be an All-Star level player again.
    Uhh. My statement was best OFFENSIVE game. He is a more skilled offensive post player than Jermaine. I still stand by that. I never compared the two defensively.

    I also think that Kendrick Perkins, Al Harrington, Al Jefferson and even an old school player like Bob Lanier all on top of Nene's success at least counter balance your theory here. I agree it does not happen often and it worries me but most of those examples were later in their careers. Manning is different and definitely wasn't the same but still was enough to be an All Star two more times and played like 900 or so games after.

    The point is, the knee injury lessons the cost. I am not clamoring for a max deal here (which he would have gotten otherwise). 9-11 mill and 4-5 years feels right to me. Anything less than that is just gravy IMO.

    Again, I'm not 100% sold but I think this is something to *seriously* consider and position ourselves for.
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    He isn't the answer at pf, he will ask for to much. Trade Granger for a star PF damn it

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    Uhh. My statement was best OFFENSIVE game. He is a more skilled offensive post player than Jermaine. I still stand by that. I never compared the two defensively.

    If you're talking about David West, there was no way he's a more skilled post player than Jermaine was in his prime. Isn't David West pretty much a pick 'n roll player with a mid range jump shot offensively? Jermaine had the ability to use both hands in the post pretty well, before he started settling for fadeaway midrange jumpers as his career started winding down.

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    Yeah if we can get a starter caliber PF in here we will have a nice roster. I still see Tyler and Josh as nice backups and would be happy with either one off the bench. Probably Tyler for his tenacity but I think Josh will make a nice player for some team if not here. Hopefully Hibbert starts eating nails in the off-season. LOL

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    At the right price, sure. What is that price? Probably around the $7.5 that he is scheduled to make next year, but make it a 4 year deal. Above that, and it is not worth the risk. That would just feel like the money is burning a hole in Bird's pocket.

    I think West might go for a 7.5 mil/ 4 year deal because that is money in the bank. If he decided not to opt out and his play suffers even a bit, he probably won't even get that much money as a free agent in 2012. Keep in mind he will be 32 when the season starts and it would be risky for him to be playing in a contract year.

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    Uhh. My statement was best OFFENSIVE game. He is a more skilled offensive post player than Jermaine. I still stand by that. I never compared the two defensively.
    Totally disagree. I've been watching David West since he was playing at Xavier here in Cincy. He's got a good repretoire of moves but at best he might be as good as JO but certainly not better.

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    I also think that Kendrick Perkins, Al Harrington, Al Jefferson and even an old school player like Bob Lanier all on top of Nene's success at least counter balance your theory here. I agree it does not happen often and it worries me but most of those examples were later in their careers. Manning is different and definitely wasn't the same but still was enough to be an All Star two more times and played like 900 or so games after.

    The point is, the knee injury lessons the cost. I am not clamoring for a max deal here (which he would have gotten otherwise). 9-11 mill and 4-5 years feels right to me. Anything less than that is just gravy IMO.

    Again, I'm not 100% sold but I think this is something to *seriously* consider and position ourselves for.

    Good points here. I'm not sure that Al Harrington or Kendrick Perkins have made it back to their pre-injury levels. Perkins looked awfully slow and had no lift in the playoffs this year. Nene and Al Jefferson have been good. However, they were much younger when they had their injuries than when JO, Brand, Webber, and West had theirs.

    West is 31 almost 32 years old. I think we should go after the other younger Hornets FA PF - Carl Landry.
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    He isn't the answer at pf, he will ask for to much. Trade Granger for a star PF damn it
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    what star PF will we get with granger in a trade?

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    I don't want to handicap our franchise with someone whose health I know nothing about. Will he ever play a full season again? Will he ever be at full strength again?

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