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    NBA Draft 2011 winners and losers

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu..._losers_062411


    NEWARK, N.J. – The Sacramento Kings need a new arena and they need to start winning. But if the Kings’ owners are serious about trying to keep the franchise in Sacramento, they also need a star who can help them build back their fan support.

    They think they found one in Jimmer Fredette.

    The Kings acquired the rights to the former Brigham Young guard in a three-team trade with the Milwaukee Bucks and Charlotte Bobcats during the NBA draft. The consensus national player of the year won over a legion of fans while leading the nation in scoring last season. The Kings, who initially tried to move to Anaheim, Calif., could use the help: They finished second-to-last in the NBA in attendance last season.

    Jimmer Fredette was drafted by the Bucks but then traded to the Sacramento Kings.


    By landing Fredette, the Kings helped lead a list of winners on draft night. More importantly, they hope Fredette can help them generate ticket and sponsorship revenue and spearhead support for a new arena in Sacramento.

    “I know they are going to be there one more year and see how it goes,” Fredette said. “I hope the fans come out and support us. I hope they like our team. I think we will have a very exciting team and I hope we can get more wins. Winning translates to getting more fans out there, and hopefully we’ll be able to keep the organization there.”

    The Kings also made a wise move by deciding to play combo-guard Tyreke Evans off the ball. Fredette will likely open next season as the Kings’ starting point guard after Beno Udrih was dealt to Milwaukee in the trade. Evans, the 2010 NBA Rookie of the Year, certainly has the size and scoring ability to play shooting guard. The Kings also got a steal with the last overall pick in the draft in gritty point guard Isaiah Thomas. Fredette, Evans, Thomas and the likely re-signed Marcus Thornton give Sacramento a young and talented collection of guards for years to come.

    And thanks to Fredette’s arrival, those years could be spent in Sacramento.

    “Jimmer was one of the most exciting players in college basketball the last couple of seasons,” Kings general manager Geoff Petrie said. “If not the best shooter in the draft, he was certainly one of the best. He’ll add a new dimension to our team offensively. He’s an exciting player and I think our fans will enjoy him as well.”

    Here’s a look at some of the drafts other winners – and losers.

    Loser: Cleveland Cavaliers

    The Cavaliers did their due diligence leading into the draft by working out Duke guard Kyrie Irving and Arizona forward Derrick Williams – in addition to also working out Turkish center Enes Kanter, Kentucky guard Brandon Knight and Texas forward Tristan Thompson twice. But the Cavs also let Irving, supposedly the new face of the franchise, nervously wait out their selection without confirming he was the first pick.

    The New Jersey native was a near-consensus top pick, so if you’re going to wait that long to tell him, you might as well be daring enough to draft someone else.

    “I knew when everybody else knew,” Irving said. “They gave me no indication that they were going to pick me. I was really nervous sitting at that table with my family and my friends.”

    Winner: Morris twins

    Marcus Morris was expected to be drafted ahead of his twin brother and former Kansas teammate, Markieff. But in a surprise, Markieff was selected 13th overall by the Phoenix Suns. Marcus didn’t have to wait long to also hear his name called: He was picked next by the Houston Rockets. Markieff, who was born seven minutes ahead of Marcus, was drafted seven minutes, 13 seconds ahead of his twin.

    “Maybe when I’m 60 I’ll tell him I got one on him,” Markieff said.

    Loser: Minnesota Timberwolves

    There is no question that Derrick Williams is a talented and athletic combo-forward who has a bright career ahead of him. But the last thing the Wolves needed was another forward, right?

    Isn’t Williams more or less the same player as Michael Beasley? Doesn’t Minnesota have enough players who can play either forward position already in Beasley, Kevin Love, Wesley Johnson, Martell Webster, Anthony Randolph and Anthony Tolliver? Minnesota slightly improved its depth at center by trading for aging Band-aid Brad Miller, but Enes Kanter’s talent and potential should have made him a candidate to go No. 2.

    The Wolves also tried desperately to trade the second pick, but failed in their efforts to land the type of experienced star they wanted.

    “I’m not really focused on that right now. I’m just going to get my body into the best of shape as possible,” Williams said of Minnesota’s logjam at the forward positions.

    Winner: Tristan Thompson

    Thompson

    There were some raised eyebrows when Thompson left Texas after his freshman year, especially because there were several other players in his class that were regarded higher than him. Even in a down draft, the 6-foot-8, 235-pound forward was expected to be selected in the latter half of the lottery. But the highest-drafted Canadian ever was the surprise of the night when he was taken fourth overall by the Cavaliers. Cleveland now has a talented 19-year-old inside-outside combo to build around for the future in Irving and Thompson.

    “I know a lot of people never expected it and neither did myself,” Thompson said. “It just shows the wonders that hard work puts in.”

    Loser: Milwaukee Bucks and Captain Jack

    Stephen Jackson was the Bobcats’ leading scorer in 2010-11, averaging 18.5 PPG.

    The Milwaukee Bucks acquired talented – but often disgruntled – swingman Stephen Jackson from Charlotte to join young Brandon Jennings in their backcourt in a three-way trade. While Jackson and Jennings will score a lot of points together, it will be interesting to see how the combustible Captain Jack gets along with stern coach Scott Skiles. Jackson will be playing for his seventh NBA team and third since 2009. The Bucks traded John Salmons, but also acquired guard Beno Udrih and might have landed a steal in 18-year-old Tennessee forward Tobias Harris.

    Despite the potential issues, Jennings was excited about Jackson’s arrival.

    “Stephen Jackson brings a lot of leadership,” said Jennings, who attended the draft. “He’s won an NBA championship. He plays hard every night. He wants to win. And I think he is going to be that voice in our locker room that we need.”

    Winner: Utah Jazz:

    The Utah Jazz quietly improved their team by adding Kanter (No. 3) and Colorado guard Alec Burks (No. 12). Kanter proclaimed a day earlier that he is the best player in the draft, and with his size, scoring ability and rebounding he has the talent and potential to prove he is right. While Burks isn’t a household name, he was a proven scorer in college, averaging 20.5 points last season as a sophomore. The Jazz have an intriguing group of young players in Kanter, Burks, Derrick Favors, Gordon Haywood and Jeremy Evans.

    Loser: Portland Trail Blazers

    Felton

    The Portland Trail Blazers traded one of the most underappreciated players in point guard Andre Miller to the Denver Nuggets and sent athletic guard Rudy Fernandez to the Dallas Mavericks while acquiring point guard Raymond Felton in a three-team trade. The Nuggets were disappointed with Felton after a lackluster offensive-minded performance in the playoffs and were determined to trade him. While Felton is a solid starting point guard, he’s not as experienced a floor leader as Miller. Friends close to Nuggets coach George Karl said he was thrilled about the return of Miller, whom he hated to see dealt in the Allen Iverson trade on Dec. 19, 2006. While Fernandez wanted out, the Blazers helped the NBA champion Mavericks and lost an insurance policy for injury-prone guard Brandon Roy.

    Winner: Indiana Pacers

    The Pacers acquired veteran guard George Hill in exchange for the 15th selection (Kawhi Leonard), the 42nd overall pick (Davis Bertrans) and the draft rights to Erazem Lorbek. The Pacers not only filled a need for a shooting guard in Hill, but also landed an Indianapolis native who should be a hit with the fans. The Pacers finished last in the league in attendance last season. The former IUPUI star, Darren Collison and Paul George give the Pacers a young core of perimeter players. For Hill, the Spurs could’ve sent him to a lot worse places than his hometown team.

    “It is tough, but at the same time things happen for a reason,” Hill said in a statement. “My hat is off to San Antonio for opportunity I had here and I’m really looking forward to coming home to Indiana and helping the Pacers win games.”

    Loser: Prospects who left college too early

    UCLA forward Tyler Honeycutt, Georgia forward Travis Leslie, Michigan guard Darius Morris, Kentucky guard DeAndre Liggins and Kansas guard Josh Selby all left school hoping to be taken in the first round. None of them were. Boston College guard Reggie Jackson also looked bad by shunning teams for workouts and interviews because he was promised to be selected 24th overall by the Oklahoma City Thunder. Wonder if he could have been drafted higher if he took part in the draft process?
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  • #2
    Re: NBA Draft 2011 winners and losers

    How are the Blazers a loser? Rudy's time was up there and they got Jordan Hamilton for him and also got Felton for a 35 year old pg. That is a hell of a haul IMO.

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      Re: NBA Draft 2011 winners and losers

      Jordan Hamilton actually was sent to Denver

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        Re: NBA Draft 2011 winners and losers

        Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
        How are the Blazers a loser? Rudy's time was up there and they got Jordan Hamilton for him and also got Felton for a 35 year old pg. That is a hell of a haul IMO.
        Personally, I'd much rather have Andre Miller than Raymond Felton. The words that come to mind when I think of Andre Miller are gritty, savvy, iron-horse, underrated. He has put the Blazers in the playoffs for the past two seasons when (due to injuries) they had no business being there. He is one of those blue collar guys who doesn't get much recognition, but will earn you wins. He's a warrior.

        Felton on the other hand.... There are questions about his attitude, he hasn't lived up to his potential in the NBA, he tends to underperform. Sometimes when I watch him play I don't come away with the impression that he cares very much about winning....

        I wouldn't do that deal. I think the Blazers lost out on that trade big time. They got younger, but I see them winning fewer games.

        Denver added a lot of character to their team with that trade.

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          Re: NBA Draft 2011 winners and losers

          Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
          How are the Blazers a loser? Rudy's time was up there and they got Jordan Hamilton for him and also got Felton for a 35 year old pg. That is a hell of a haul IMO.
          Nuggets get Hamilton, but I still like the trade for Portland. Felton is a nice fit there. If Andre Miller was 30 I wouldn't trade him, but he's 35. Felton's about to turn 27.

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            Re: NBA Draft 2011 winners and losers

            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
            How are the Blazers a loser? Rudy's time was up there and they got Jordan Hamilton for him and also got Felton for a 35 year old pg. That is a hell of a haul IMO.

            Agreed!

            I thought it was a pretty solid move by Portland. Even if Felton is a slight downgrade today. He's going to be viable for a heck of a lot longer than Andre Miller.

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              Re: NBA Draft 2011 winners and losers

              How are the Cavs losers for not telling everyone who they were gonna pick until the last day? No sense in making life that easy for your competitors.

              They were wise not to tell anyone. There is strategy involved there because they had an additional pick at #4. You don't want other teams getting totally comfortable in knowing what you're going to do at #1 because that could affect you at #4.

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                Re: NBA Draft 2011 winners and losers

                Originally posted by d_c View Post
                How are the Cavs losers for not telling everyone who they were gonna pick until the last day? No sense in making life that easy for your competitors.

                They were wise not to tell anyone. There is strategy involved there because they had an additional pick at #4. You don't want other teams getting totally comfortable in knowing what you're going to do at #1 because that could affect you at #4.
                Makes sense to not tell other people. Doesn't make sense to not tell the guy you're drafting, considering you want him to be the face of your franchise.

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                • #9
                  Re: NBA Draft 2011 winners and losers

                  I love the part about prospects that left early, lol...

                  Crazy how far some of them slipped.... oh well....
                  Why so SERIOUS

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                    Re: NBA Draft 2011 winners and losers

                    Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                    How are the Blazers a loser? Rudy's time was up there and they got Jordan Hamilton for him and also got Felton for a 35 year old pg. That is a hell of a haul IMO.
                    I thought they got a lot better and nearly got a steal out of this.

                    They traded away an old PG and got a younger and better one in return and it was obvious they weren't very happy with Rudy Fernandez anymore and he needed a new start.

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                      Re: NBA Draft 2011 winners and losers

                      Originally posted by Really? View Post
                      I love the part about prospects that left early, lol...

                      Crazy how far some of them slipped.... oh well....
                      I usually agree, but not this year. Next year most of those guys would not be drafted.

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                        Re: NBA Draft 2011 winners and losers

                        Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
                        Makes sense to not tell other people. Doesn't make sense to not tell the guy you're drafting, considering you want him to be the face of your franchise.
                        He's the #1 overall pick and will have a very nice guaranteed contract to go with it. Safe to say he'll get it over it......if there even was anything for him to get over in the first place.

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                        • #13
                          Re: NBA Draft 2011 winners and losers

                          I love what the Pacers did, I definitely consider them winners.

                          Another team I really liked was the Wizards considering they got who I wanted for the Pacers (Singleton and Mack) + Jan Vesely.

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                            Re: NBA Draft 2011 winners and losers

                            The blazers turned from the 10th best team in the NBA to top 3 with that move. They got the point guard they always wanted and gave up two players they don't really need. How did the Blazers not come up the winner? As far as the Pacers go they should have gotten a PF but I'll take George Hill because of his defense and he is a smart PG.

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                              Re: NBA Draft 2011 winners and losers

                              Originally posted by CooperManning View Post
                              Nuggets get Hamilton, but I still like the trade for Portland. Felton is a nice fit there. If Andre Miller was 30 I wouldn't trade him, but he's 35. Felton's about to turn 27.
                              I agree and ya that draft was crazy i just figured out today Hamilton got flipped again. That makes a little more since now that Denver did that trade IMO.

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