Last edited by troyc11a; 06-24-2011 at 12:34 AM.
Bird DID say that he wanted the Pacers to have the best bench in the league...
Stellar move Larry..
Hill is a really good player, a difference maker on a team..
I believe that finally being home, Hill will have his best year(s) with us ...
I'm happy ..
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I love the trade, Hill is better than anyone we could have gotten in this draft. I dare say he would be in the top 5 of this draft. He averaged almost 30mpg for one of the best teams in the NBA. Quite a steal IMO.
The downside is his contract is up after next year and it would suck to lose him to free agency.
I saw Bird and Morway after the draft Joe !!!!!!!!
ok trade IMO i wanted Chris Singleton bad but Hill is good. I still wanted Reggie Jackson
Last edited by pacer4ever; 06-24-2011 at 12:42 AM.
Tell us why we should keep AJ Sookie.
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Hill might finish a LOT of the games at 1 or 2 depending on match ups, and they all 3 could play at the same time while Granger rests or plays the 4 spot. Not a fan off small ball as a main strategy, but it works at certain times.
I'm liking this lineup, if we just could get another good big guy.
Edit: Forgot Lance, I really don't care one way or the other on Lance. They can still find a roster spot for him, if he pans out fine, if not fine, keep him on a short lease.
Last edited by Hoop; 06-24-2011 at 12:43 AM.
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nah, he needs to be traded/let go so he can look for another team. He's clearly as much a part of this team's future as Rush is. On the other hand, that is looking at it from AJ's best interest. It might be in the Pacers best interest to keep him and his cheap contract around for "insurance"
I don't know why the team would sit through his "injured" year, only to get rid of him when he should be getting back to normal. (Would have made more sense last season..) Granted THAT was probably insurance for Ford/Lance.
Last edited by Sookie; 06-24-2011 at 12:41 AM.
For me, I have no problem with trading Leonard for GH....even with the cost being #42. As mentioned before....I am guessing ( and this is pure speculation on my part ) that the Spurs wanted "Leonard + Stanko" ( who I have read is a better prospect ) but Bird countered with "Leonard + 42 + Lorbek" ( who probably wasn't coming over ).
I agree with you that I am slightly disappointed that we didn't have an extra pick....but that's fine. I'm hoping that with all the left overs that didn't get drafted but got invited to work out with us in training Camp ( such as Rick Jackson ).
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Here is G.Hill's numbers in the playoffs this season.
Game 1 40:37 minutes had 15 points and 3 assist and 4 steals
Game 2 23:44 minutes had 16 points and 4 assist and 2 steals
Game 3 26:56 minutes had 11 points and 1 assist and 0 steals
Game 4 29:05 minutes had 10 points and 2 assist and 1 steal
Game 5 30:23 minutes had 12 points and 2 assist and 0 steals
Game 6 38:32 minutes had 6 points and 2 assist and 2 steals
I am sorry but if he is going to be the "scoring punch" off the bench those are VERY sorry numbers given the number of minutes he played. He will never be a starting PG because he has no court vision and you can tell that by looking at his assist numbers. Also in most of the games he had a negative +/-. For those of you that believe he will guard the Roses, Westbrooks, and Wades of the NBA have another thing coming. Hill is only 6'2 and after being in the NBA for 3 years now is still only 180lbs. He is not going to guard anyone. Lots of guards can get steals but that doesn't mean they are great defenders. Rose will light Hill up a lot more than he did DC.
I don't disagree with trading the pick but I disagree with what we received. Poor decision on Birds part. I know we don't know what was being offered but I would have rather had some of the guys that went just after our pick if we couldn't get a better trade. I do believe this was just a PR move and now the local media will eat this story up. We didn't get worse tonight but we also didn't get any better.
I think this was a solid move by Bird.
The draft was craptastic. Literally filled with guys you won't hear from in a few years and some guys who will be 8th-10th men.
Ordinarily, I'd say just use a pick and try to swing for a double or a triple, but not this year. Just too many guys with not very well defined games or positions and really, not a whole lot of upside either.
Good move by Bird to take a proven commodity over a crapshoot this year.
I look at it this way...
Several people here on PD (Myself included) wanted the Pacers to take Marshon Brooks. To me, Hill is a proven version of Marshon Brooks who also is a pretty good defender. Take out the fact that he's from Indy and all that. This kid can play the 2, he can create his own shot, and he's proven he can do it at the NBA level. That makes this trade a brilliant one by Larry Bird.
Now we have a guy who can create his own shot and knock it down, not to mention start at the 1 or come of the bench at either the 1 or the 2.
I know it's not quite as fun as drafting an unknown player, but this guy has gotten it done at this level, and will bring something that last season we really didn't have. Add in that he's only 25 and has a lot of playoff experience, and we've got a really, really, nice piece to add to our team going forward.
I love this trade. I hope this offseason brings more excitement to Indy, but I for one am absolutely thrilled to bring George Hill back home.
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Why would AJ get cut? Hill played SG for the Spurs.
So we'd be
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Doubtful that they got fleeced....
They are at the end of their window. They traded their 6th man who is in a contract year for 3 assets that they will have several years to assess.
It's called a proper rebuilding move.
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Well, we have empty roster spots, but AJ and Lance are the least paid players, both are making about 800k and Larry seems to think Lance is our best player (remember the Troy Murphy MVP talk?).
So yeah, AJ is probably the odd man out if they have to cut someone.
If I am correct, bringing in Hill puts our roster at 11. Bringing the Stank over gets it to 12, that leaves 3 spots open.
Many former NBA draftees, waived players and undrafted players have played in the NBA D-League. Some of the called-up D-League players that went on to have successful NBA careers include Rafer Alston, Louis Amundson, Chris Andersen, Kelenna Azubuike, Matt Barnes, Devin Brown, Will Bynum, Matt Carroll, Eddie Gill, Stephen Graham, Jason Hart, Chuck Hayes, Anthony Johnson, Dahntay Jones, Jamario Moon, Mikki Moore, Smush Parker, Bobby Simmons, Ime Udoka, Von Wafer, C. J. Watson, and Mike Wilks. Aside from these players, there are several successful NBA players who were assigned to the D-League in their first and second season, such as José Juan Barea, Brandon Bass, Andray Blatche, Aaron Brooks, Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown, Marcin Gortat, Ramon Sessions and Martell Webster.
So right now our rotation is looking like this:
I think we really need that guy that can play the 4 and 5 in some fashion. Preferably a good 4 who can back up the 5.
Trade AJ rush in part of a bigger deal
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