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    Less than 24 hours before the curtain rises on the 2011 NBA draft, and still there is mass confusion and little certainty about what will happen around the league in general and for our Pacers. Everybody in the world it seems tries to post a mock draft about what will happen, which in reality is kind of a goofy exercise in futility…..after all, who can possibly predict what some of these mostly inept franchises might do on a draft night? Factor in wildly different opinions on individual players, executives with different agendas and job pressures, and a looming lockout in a few days, and you have a recipe for variety of odd moves that will likely have some fans scratching their heads. Trying to apply common sense to how some teams and executives might think without having all of the same information they have is extremely difficult and usually foolhardy.

    But since everyone else is doing it, I am going to try it again this year after swearing to myself last year I’d never try this again.

    And of course, within this mock draft I will expand on our own Pacers move, and give my reasoning for why I think this is how it all shakes out.

    First of all, let me present my own personal big board.

    Players I have no film of, and have not studied at all:* Enes Kanter, Jan Vesely, Bismack Biyombo, Jonas Valanciunas, Donatas Motiejunas, Jeremy Tyler, Davis Bertans, Nikola Mirotec.

    That is 8 possible players who are at least very possible to go in the first round, some very high in the lottery even, that I haven’t seen play either live or on film. All I know about them, just like you and most of these draft experts, is just what I have heard from other people or read online. So any opinion on these guys we all need to take with a grain of salt until we actually see them ourselves. If we somehow end up with one of them, we neither can really celebrate or criticize with any real basis of knowledge, to pretend otherwise would be silly. Therefore, I will keep them in a separate category on my own big board. Strictly going from what I have read about them and based on what I think our exact team needs are, I’d put these 8 in this order:

    1. Enes Kanter….I’d be very worried if I were a team taking him based on just how long it has been since he actually played and competed, but for what we need he would be my first pick ONLY among this group.

    2. Jan Vesely

    3. Jonas Valanciunas

    Undraftable by us: Bismack Biyombo, Donatas Motiejunas, Jeremy Tyler, Davis Bertans, Nikola Mirotic

    I know listing those 5 guys as “undraftable” by us and off my big board is somewhat controversial, but for varying reasons with each one of those guys, that is how I feel. Biyombo is way too much of a project, Motiejunas isn’t my kind of player, Tyler’s background and basketball IQ concerns me, and contract issues are too deep for me to think we should risk selecting Bertans or Mirotec at any point in the first round.

    The other 3 remain on my board, but in a separate category since I’ve never seen them play before myself, therefore anything I’d really say about them is a guess.

    Ok, so my “big board” among the rest of the players eligible to be drafted is the following:

    1. Kyrie Irving

    2. Derrick Williams

    3. Kawhi Leonard

    4. Brandon Knight

    5. Alec Burks*

    6. Chris Singleton*

    7. Darius Morris

    8. Jimmer Fredette*

    9. Nikola Vucevic*

    10. Klay Thompson*

    11. Tristan Thompson*

    12. Marcus Morris*

    13.* Tobias Harris*

    14. Jordan Hamilton*

    15. Marshon Brooks*

    16. Markieff* Morris

    17. Justin Harper

    18. Kory Joseph

    19. David Lighty

    20. Trey Thompkins

    21. Shelvin Mack

    22. JuJuan Johnson

    23. Josh Selby

    24. Tyler Honeycutt

    25. Charles Jenkins

    So, based on my viewing of tape on players all across the country, that is my top 20 on my PACERS board….if I were evaluating players for a different team, I might have a couple different players here or there, and the order might change slightly, but for us, that is how I would rank them.

    I assume some of you would protest me not listing PG Reggie Jackson. To me, his knee injury is a concern, but considering that his camp isn’t apparently sharing his medical history with teams at all either, that is a giant red flag to me and would take him off my board.

    Ok, so my own draft board is laid out for all to see. No surprises I am sure to those who actually read my 10 draft profiles, which are marked with an asterisk * up above.

    I regret not making time for a really indepth 11 article on Darius Morris, who I feel is a potential really nice player in this draft. In my “best of the rest” article I compared him to Steve Blake, but I think that is his floor…..a pure point guard with size and athleticism, I think he reminds me a little of a poor man’s Ron Harper, a player I used to really like. Morris sees the floor very well, has the vision to see over smaller defenders, has a confidence and flair to his game, and cuts well off the basketball. Defensively I think he can guard 2 positions depending on the matchups, and his greater defensive talent/potential plus his size is why I ranked him ahead of Jimmer Freddette for us slightly.

    Klay Thompson has grown on me some since I first did his profile, not because I think he will suddenly be a better defender than I thought originally (he won’t, he will be a sieve still), but because I think offensively he is better than I may have thought even. And while I don’t think that right now Tristan Thompson is really all that good of a basketball player, I do think he at least has a bit more potential down the road than either Morris twin, though each of them would be a much safer selection. Vucevic is where he is due to the overall lack of centers in general, and the fact that I think he can easily be our long term back up 5 man for years, and possibly can develop to the point that that position becomes a major position of strength for us…..and of course not having to overpay for centers is really good cap management going forward.

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    Ok, with all of that out in the open, here is my mock draft as of 10PM Wednesday, June 22. This draft will be a little different, because I am going to forecast some trades in here that havent happened yet, which is a goofy thing to attempt to predict but I am doing it anyway. Hope you enjoy:

    1. Cleveland : Kyrie Irving. No shocking move here.

    2. Minnesota: Derrick Williams. I don’t think Minnesota gets a deal done, despite trying very hard, at least on draft night.

    3. PROJECTED TRADE: Washington trades up to #3 and takes Enos Kanter. Utah gets the #6 and #18 picks in the draft in the deal, might be a player or 2 involved as well.

    Isn’t projecting trades more fun?????

    4. PROJECTED TRADE: Sacramento moves up to #4 and takes Brandon Knight, the 3rd straight year they take a player coached by John Calipari. Cleveland gets #7 from Sacramento and some other assets, could be some money involved coming from Cleveland, and a player headed from Sacramento to Cleveland.

    5. Toronto selects Tristan Thompson. I have no idea what Toronto is doing in general, so this is more of a guess than anything. But Thompson is more highly rated than I have been able to understand, and he is from Toronto, so let’s give him here.

    6. Utah selects Kawhi Leonard. Leonard is a nice pick up for them, as he improves them greatly defensively and is a nice fit for the Jazz next to Gordon Heyward long term.

    7. Cleveland selects Jan Vesely. Vesely I have never seen play, but apparently he is very athletic and would make a nice long term screen/roll partner with Kyrie Irving.

    8. Detroit selects Kemba Walker. Detroit needs to start making some sense of a muddled roster, and their new owner wants results immediately. Enter Walker, who becomes a starter and de facto team leader in Detroit from day 1.

    9. Charlotte selects Marcus Morris. Another reasonably safe and unexciting pick for the league’s most boring franchise. Having said that, they need ready to play talent and Morris is going to be able to get rotation minutes with them immediately.

    10. PROJECTED TRADE: Houston moves up and selects: Jonas Valanciunas. Houston gets the 10th pick and pick #40 from Milwaukee, Milwaukee gets pick #14 and #23 from Houston

    11. Golden State selects Chris Singleton. Very good move by the defensively challenged Warriors in my judgment if it plays out this way.

    12. Utah selects Jimmer Freddette, making everyone in Utah very happy.

    13. PROJECTED TRADE: Indiana trades #15,* and AJ Price to Phoenix. Indiana is on the clock. Phoenix makes this move since Fredette is gone, and they need a legitimate point guard with experience for Steve Nash. Plus, they can move down and still get the guy they want.

    OK, SO NOW IT IS TIME TO CALL MY SHOT!

    In this scenario, many rumored targets are gone, but remaining on the board are Bismack Biyombo, Marshon Brooks, Markieff Morris, Nikola Vucevic and Alec Burks among others.

    This is an easy call for me to make:

    With the 13th pick in the 2011 NBA draft, the Indiana Pacers select ALEC BURKS, SG, COLORADO.

    I don’t love Burks as much as I loved Paul George last year, but he is my favorite player in this draft. He is 2 1/2 years younger than Marshon Brooks, can get to the rim at will, is a willing and capable passer, and I think he can even play some point guard in emergency situations. He needs to get stronger no question, and I see no reason why he won’t as he physically matures. Right now his range is 18 feet or so, he needs to expand that to the NBA line at some point, but he is a hard working young man from all accounts and has an uncanny knack as an elite scorer that we need, especially as a slasher and isolation guy in time. He can be our third or 4th wing in our rotation immediately, and long term projects to me as a 20 points per game* type guy assuming he develops as I think he will. An almost perfect prototype player skill wise right between Danny Granger and Paul George, since he would be immediately from day 1 our best ballhandling wing. He also will quickly be a strong ballhandler in the screen/roll game I feel, and be our best threat in screen/roll other than possibly Collison. To me in this scenario he clearly would be the best player available. No offense to all of you Marshon Brooks fans, but I just simply think Burks is a superior player…..and I don’t even really see it being all that close.

    14.* Milwaukee takes Marshon Brooks.

    15. Phoenix takes Markieff Morris, who they would have taken anyway at #13 perhaps.

    16. Philadelphia takes Nikola Vucevic.

    17. New York takes Bismack Biyombo.

    18. Utah (now on the clock after trading down) takes Nikola Mirotic. Nice move by Utah, as they can stash the highly rated Mirotic overseas. In this scenario, Utah already has made 2 selections and wouldn’t want a third rookie on their payroll for 2011/2012.

    19. Charlotte takes Jordan Hamilton. Charlotte is a perfect match for his game, as the Bobcats need outside shooting very very badly. They will consider Hamilton I think at 9 even tomorrow night.

    20. PROJECTED TRADE: LA LAKERS ACQUIRE PICK #20 FROM MINNESOTA FOR $3 MILLION IN CASH. LA Lakers then select Malcolm Lee, 6’6 PG from UCLA.

    21. Portland selects Kenneth Faried

    22. PROJECTED TRADE: INDIANA ACQUIRE PICK #22, AND* KOSTA KOUFOS FROM DENVER FOR BRANDON RUSH AND PICK #42

    I would personally clearly go with Darius Morris, but I believe Indiana would want to go big here…..if Lance is really as good as Bird seems to think, moving Rush and Price on draft night clears playing time for him, and Morris would only be in the way if we took him, so with this move I am thinking Indiana must have a clear front court guy to take.

    WITH THE #22 PICK IN THE 2011 NBA DRAFT, INDIANA SELECTS TOBIAS HARRIS, F TENNESSEE

    Harris is a very intelligent, clear headed, high character versatile player that probably reminds Bird alot of another very similar player to him, Austin Croshere. The ability to play backup minutes in 2 spots helps Bird pull the trigger to make this move, but mainly it is to clear Brandon Rush out of town and give minutes to others.

    23 Milwaukee selects Darius Morris

    24. Oklahoma City selects Donatas Motiejunas

    25. Boston selects Davis Bertans

    26. Dallas selects Jimmy Butler

    27. New Jersey selects Iman Shumpert

    28. Chicago selects Tyler Honeycutt

    29. San Antonio selects Reggie Jackson

    30. PROJECTED TRADE CHICAGO TRADES PICK #30 TO THE HOUSTON ROCKETS FOR CASH CONSIDERATIONS.

    Houston then selects Justin Harper.

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    So there you have it…..I’ll be lucky to get most of any of that correct of course, but I think it is fun to speculate on what other moves around the league might be made.

    I do however think I have Indiana’s first pick correct….I think we will move up if we have to, or just stay put and let him fall to us, but one way or the other I think Alec Burks is an Indiana Pacer tomorrow night.

    Of course I am biased, because that is exactly who I myself want, with my second choice being Chris Singleton and my third Darius Morris. Harris is in the middle of my preferences, but I believe Bird likely has him higher in his list of preferences than most, so with a clear opportunity to clear salary and still take him, I think Bird would make a move like I described above if it presented itself. But clearly the highlight move for me would be landing Burks, who I’ve had my eye on since I started breaking down film on him in January. High character, with a skill set that perfectly compliments our core players and a high ceiling. Alec Burks is one of the things we really need to be a complete well rounded talented team….we probably need a big enforcing rebounding stud power forward/center a little worse, but THAT guy isn’t in this draft.

    We will all see what transpires tomorrow night.

    I will be in Fort Wayne until Sunday night, but I will have a draft piece about whatever we do Thursday night when I return. Have fun tomorrow Pacers fans!

    As always, the above is just my opinion.

    Tbird


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    I love the trade ideas.

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    Alex Burks

    his play making ability is off the charts just watched a game of his that i had on DVR he is one of the few players with serious upside.


    i agree about Darius the kid will be in the league for awhile and will be a good pg. I would be happy with him or Reggie Jackson if we acquire a late pick or if Burks or Singleton isn't there.
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    Alex Burks

    his play making ability is off the charts just watched a game of his that i had on DVR he is one of the few players with serious upside.
    I love that you pretty much know more about this draft than anyone on the board but you still say Alex Burks every time.

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    Wasn't Burks one of the players that denied working out for the Pacers? (I could be wrong).

    If so, why was that? Maybe there's a perfectly good reason, but that doesn't sound like a guy I want on my team.
    Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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    I'm with you P4E I want Burks also, badly. I do not like the idea of trading Price though, everybody hates him on PD and I have no idea why. If we can trade Rush for any pick in the first round it would be a steal IMO. I would be willing to trade Rush for the 60th pick and still think we got the better end of the deal.

    There has to be a team picking around 20-25 that would take Rush. Here's to a great Pacers draft tomorrow...
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    Wasn't Burks one of the players that denied working out for the Pacers? (I could be wrong).

    If so, why was that? Maybe there's a perfectly good reason, but that doesn't sound like a guy I want on my team.
    yes but that is due to keeping his stock high. his agent thinks he looks bad if he workouts for the Pacers sitting at #15. Plus they don't have time for every team workout. It was all his agent it isn't because he doesn't want to play here. Same with Tristan Thomson it is all about stock and his agent telling him where to go.

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    I'm down with that scenario, I think Alec would be a steal at 13. Tbird you are always pretty close to being right on the money.

    I am freakin stoked for tomorrow!!!

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    yes but that is due to keeping his stock high. his agent thinks he looks bad if he workouts for the Pacers sitting at #15. Plus they don't have time for every team workout. It was all his agent it isn't because he doesn't want to play here. Same with Tristan Thomson it is all about stock and his agent telling him where to go.
    Okay! Thanks so much for that clarification, I appreciate it.

    Now that just makes him that much more attractive to me. I'm a big fan of his but was a bit unsure about him after he denied our workout, but seeing that it was just to keep his stock high makes him much more attractive.
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    Kosta Koufos has a chance to be a good backup center. Never played much but bad 2 breakout games in April where he went for 14 point and 6 rebounds in 27 minutes, 18 points and 9 rebounds in 19 minutes. I'd rather draft Darius Morris simy based off of the fact that I like him better than Harris. But I don't know much about Tobias? Does he have great upside? Could he be another Paul George like pick.

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    hmmm.

    I'm going to print this out and take it with me when I view the draft tomorrow.
    My question: is moving up 2 spots essential to get alec? Especially after houston already traded up and the bucks are taking Brooks at 14 regardless after that trade? I don't see us giving up AJ for 2 spots up in this draft.

    Of course, I love reading this and here I am arguing with a hypothetical.

    It's a testament to how much I love basketball that I'm this excited by such a week draft. Let the games begin.

    Nice Read Tbird.

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    I love that you pretty much know more about this draft than anyone on the board but you still say Alex Burks every time.
    He is one of my favorites in this draft. But i really didn't think we had a shot at him a week ago. Reading all the rumors now of how MIL is willing to trade #10 gives me hope. I really don't know where he goes on draft night i mean he would be a perfect fit with Charlotte IMO. I would be thrilled with Burks Singleton , or trade back and Jackson or Darius. I just want some defense and all those guys play pretty good defense. But Burks has some serious upside the offense he played in at Colorado was ugly has hell and he didn't have much help.

    ESPNU does a great job of putting his games and other prospects games on during draft time 2 of his games was on last night.

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    not gonna lie...when i was reading this, i was scrolling just enough to see the next pick, pretending like it was the real thing lol

    ...and i got excited for alec burks being an indiana pacer...then realized, booo, this was just a mock draft :P

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    If the Pacers get Josh Smith , top 4 pick, or Larry Sanders and number 10 I'll go streaking through my driveway.

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    Ok, so my “big board” among the rest of the players eligible to be drafted is the following:

    1. Kyrie Irving

    2. Derrick Williams

    3. Kawhi Leonard

    4. Brandon Knight

    5. Alec Burks*

    6. Chris Singleton*


    With the 13th pick in the 2011 NBA draft, the Indiana Pacers select ALEC BURKS, SG, COLORADO.

    I don’t love Burks as much as I loved Paul George last year, but he is my favorite player in this draft. He is 2 1/2 years younger than Marshon Brooks, can get to the rim at will, is a willing and capable passer, and I think he can even play some point guard in emergency situations. He needs to get stronger no question, and I see no reason why he won’t as he physically matures. Right now his range is 18 feet or so, he needs to expand that to the NBA line at some point, but he is a hard working young man from all accounts and has an uncanny knack as an elite scorer that we need, especially as a slasher and isolation guy in time. He can be our third or 4th wing in our rotation immediately, and long term projects to me as a 20 points per game* type guy assuming he develops as I think he will. An almost perfect prototype player skill wise right between Danny Granger and Paul George, since he would be immediately from day 1 our best ballhandling wing. He also will quickly be a strong ballhandler in the screen/roll game I feel, and be our best threat in screen/roll other than possibly Collison. To me in this scenario he clearly would be the best player available. No offense to all of you Marshon Brooks fans, but I just simply think Burks is a superior player…..and I don’t even really see it being all that close.
    Well, perhaps I'm not so crazy afterall. It's been a Brooks lovefest around here, but I agree Burks is the guy this team needs. Burks and Singleton are the guys I've been hoping Indiana considers drafting, and I'm very open about trading up a few spots to do it. I agree that Burks would be great for Indiana. He's my top pick for the Pacers, although I'd love getting Singleton as well if Burks is off the board (both may be). I love that Burks is a strong passer, a scorer, and a good team player.

    Last year I was very interested in George (I also liked Ed Davis and Ekpe Udoh), but I didn't think Indiana would actually pick George. Thank goodness they surprised me and grabbed him. Can it happen again this year with Burks? I sure hope so.

    BTW, another guy who sounds great for Indiana would be Jonas Valanciunas (definitely would require a trade and some luck regarding falling a few spots so he wouldn't be too expensive to acquire) if somehow he fell lower than expected, but I don't think that will happen. I'll freely admit that I've seen very limited footage of him. I just really liked what I saw. Looked good on rebounding and defense; definitely far from the negative "Euro" stereotypes.
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    This has got to be my favorite time of year. Thanks, Tbird and all PD draft junkies, for making my/our hobby so, so enjoyable!

    P.S. Can we trade Lance and acquire Morris instead, and then go for Greg Smith (earlier than #42) in the 2nd round? Pretty please?!

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    On Reggie Jackson my judgment may be clouded. I fell in love with his game after i saw him shutdown 6'8 Harrison Barnes. I just have not seen a 6'3 guy fluster a big time tall scorer like that and i love defensive players so i really like his game. I still think he could be a steal but i understand why he is falling. I hope he does well in the NBA and think he will. But he is a bit of a project on offense pg wise. But if we get Burks who is a scorer and a play maker and a good defender i would be thrilled. We need a scorer and a play maker and Burks fits that bill would be a great pick.


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    BTW great work Tbird and I agree the way he finishes and gets to the rim is a thing of beauty. His ball handling is much needed on the Pacers. Watching Colorado offense was ugly but all the ISO dribbling will really help him in the NBA and their offense showed off his best skill dribbling and passing.
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    Is Tobias Harris a good defender? Does he have a high ceiling/good upside?

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    Is Tobias Harris a good defender? Does he have a high ceiling/good upside?
    high ceiling i don't think so but that's just my opinion he is a savvy player. But a tweeaner and not as athletic as he needs to be to make up for it.

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    I'm with you P4E I want Burks also, badly. I do not like the idea of trading Price though, everybody hates him on PD and I have no idea why. If we can trade Rush for any pick in the first round it would be a steal IMO. I would be willing to trade Rush for the 60th pick and still think we got the better end of the deal.

    There has to be a team picking around 20-25 that would take Rush. Here's to a great Pacers draft tomorrow...
    You have to be kidding. I am a Rush supporter, and I don't think AJ is the worst player in the world unlike most. However, how in the hell can you want to trade Rush for the 60th, but want to keep AJ?

    For the record I want to keep both, unless there is a trade available. Rush for some mid-first picks would be good. AJ and 15 for Burks...that I would LOVE!

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    On Reggie Jackson my judgment may be clouded. I fell in love with his game after i saw him shutdown 6'8 Harrison Barnes. I just have not seen a 6'3 guy fluster a big time tall scorer like that and i love defensive players so i really like his game. I still think he could be a steal but i understand why he is falling. I hope he does well in the NBA and think he will. But if we get Burks who is a scorer and a play maker and a good defender i would be thrilled. We need a scorer and a play maker and Burks fits that bill would be a great pick.



    BTW great work Tbird and I agree the way he finishes and gets to the rim is a thing of beauty. His ball handling is much needed on the Pacers.
    If the Pacers scouts have all the information and think he would help the team, Jackson falling could be good for us. We know that Bird is always trying to pull off trades. Some have razzed him for not getting some of those deals done, but I don't see how anyone can question the guy after getting Collison for MURPHY. I personally do not want Jackson at #15, but I'd be open to acquiring him later via trade if his medical concerns check out OK. An early 2nd round pick would be ideal, which would minimize the risk for us.

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    what is everyone's comparison for Burks? I have saw a lot of poor mans Brandon Roy from experts.

    But here is my comparison Kevin Martin slash James Harden(but obviously cant shoot like K-Mart yet)

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    Sounds like Houston has sweetned their offer to Milwaukee, now hearing Courtney Lee's name in trade talk for the #10 pick.
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    This is my quick, biased Pacers big board for tomorrow night. I'm really hoping for Marshon Brooks and a trade up for Jeremy Tyler.

    EDIT: Maybe I should put it in. I'm baked!


    1. Kyrie Irving/PG/Duke
    2. Derrick Williams/F/Arizona
    3. Enes Kanter/PF/Kentucky
    4. Brandon Knight/PG/Kentucky
    5. Jonas Valanciunas/PF/Lithuania
    6. Kemba Walker/PG/UConn
    7. Marshon Brooks/SG/Providence
    8. Bismack Biyombo/PF/Congo
    9. Chris Singleton/SF/Florida State
    10. Kawhi Leonard/SF/San Diego State
    11. Jan Vesely/F/Czech Republic
    12. Tristan Thompson/PF/Texas
    13. Alec Burks/SG/Colorado
    14. Klay Thompson/SG/Washington State
    15. Jeremy Tyler/PF/USA
    16. Jimmer Fredette/PG/BYU
    17. Jordan Hamilton/SF/Texas
    18. Donatas Motiejunas/C/Lithuania
    19. Kenneth Faried/PF/Morehead State
    20. Markieff Morris/PF/Kansas
    21. Marcus Morris/PF/Kansas
    22. Nikola Vucevic/PF/USC
    23. Reggie Jackson/PG/Boston College
    24. Tyler Honeycutt/SF/UCLA
    25. Tobias Harris/SF/Tennessee
    26. Shelvin Mack/PG/Butler
    27. Malcolm Lee/G/UCLA
    28. Norris Cole/PG/Cleveland State
    29. Jimmy Butler/SF/Marquette
    30. Davis Bertans/F/Latvia
    31. Nikola Mirotic/PF/Montenegro
    32. Iman Shumpert/G/Georgia
    33. Nolan Smith/G/Duke
    34. Chandler Parsons/SF/Florida
    35. JaJuan Johnson/PF/Purdue
    36. Darius Morris/PG/Michigan
    37. Jon Leuer/PF/Wisconsin
    38. Charles Jenkins/G/Hofstra
    39. Keith Benson/C/Oakland
    40. DeAndre Liggins/SF/Kentucky
    41. Malcolm Thomas/SF/San Diego State
    42. Justin Harper/PF/Richmond
    Last edited by PacersHomer; 06-23-2011 at 12:00 PM.

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    Sounds like Houston has sweetned their offer to Milwaukee, now hearing Courtney Lee's name in trade talk for the #10 pick.
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    Poor Courtney can't stay in a city haha. Would that be 5 teams in his short career?

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