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    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?...26id%3d6680436

    Chad Ford just posted this and I thought I'd see if anybody here has ESPN Insider to post the rest of the article for us all to see. Looks like there are still a lot of teams open to moving their pick.

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    Knicks may trade up for Jimmer Fredette
    June, 20, 2011
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    11:03
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    Jimmer Fredette may be heading to Madison Square Garden after draft day.
    This is it. The week of the NBA Draft. With less than four days to go, there is still a lot of commotion going on. Teams are still conducting last minute workouts. Trade calls are heating up. Draft stock is still rising and falling. Here's the latest from around the league.

    Trade talk

    One of the biggest challenges in projecting the draft is to trying to get a handle on who is exactly drafting where. Sources continue to insist that the Minnesota Timberwolves (2), Utah Jazz (3), Cleveland Cavaliers (4) and Washington Wizards (6) are all still open to moving the pick. Some of those trades could be with each other, but from what I can gather, none of the teams at the top of the lottery are sold with the players that are available to them.

    "If someone really values the pick, and we can get something more proven, I think in this draft, you have to be open to a trade," one lottery GM said. "I don't like the risk-reward mix right now."

    But the draft exodus may go even further into the first round. Sources say that the Charlotte Bobcats (9), Milwaukee Bucks (10) and Golden State Warriors (11) are also open to moving their pick. In this case the interest is all pretty specific. The Knicks, and a handful of other teams, are trying to get ahead of the Jazz. The target? BYU's Jimmer Fredette.


    More Jimmer intrigue

    Speaking of Fredette, don't count out the Sacramento Kings as a possible destination. In the past few days there's been a spate of articles emphasizing that both Kemba Walker and Kawhi Leonard are higher on their Big Board.True. But that's Geoff Petrie's Big Board. The Maloofs, who own the team, are looking to make a splash. I'm not saying they'll force Petrie's hand, I'm just saying that Fredette is still strongly in the mix there.

    Last-minute viewing

    There are some major last-minute workouts going down Monday and Tuesday. Each could very well decide who that team takes with their pick.

    The Cavs have Brandon Knight and Enes Kanter in on Monday. If Knight wows, could it persuade Cleveland to draft Derrick Williams No. 1 and Knight at No. 4. On the flip side, if Kanter wows, could the Cavs feel better about taking Kyrie Irving No. 1?

    The Utah Jazz had Jordan Hamilton, Chris Singleton, Marcus Morris, Tobias Harris and Tyler Honeycutt in on Sunday and have Alec Burks and Klay Thompson in on Monday. This workout is for the 12th pick in the draft. The team has a need at the wing and virtually anyone of these players could be the pick here. We've had Singleton here for weeks as the pick and still think he's the favorite if the Jazz go with a guard at the No. 3 pick. Singleton's defensive abilities make him an ideal replacement for Andrei Kirilenko.

    But he's not the only possibility. Klay Thompson has been dominant in workouts up to this point and might be a better option for the Jazz because of his deep shooting ability. Burks would give them more athleticism in their backcourt. Morris' ability to play both the the 3 and the 4 will be intriguing and Hamilton is a major scoring threat. Harris and Honeycutt are more well-rounded point forwards who'd also fit needs.

    The Knicks are inviting Marshon Brooks, Josh Selby, Jordan Hamilton, Darius Morris, Jeremy Tyler and Nikola Vucevic back in for a second workout. While the team is hoping that either Thompson or Fredette slide to them at 17 (or alternatively that they can move up) this appears to be the group of players they are seriously considering at 17. Of the group, Brooks has already had a very strong workout in New York. Selby, on the other hand, struggled in his. Tyler is a dark horse here. He's raw, but very athletic and has size. I'm not sure the Knicks have the patience to wait on him.

    On Tuesday the Detroit Pistons will have a major workout with Bismack Biyombo, Tristan Thompson, Markieff Morris, Keith Benson and Jordan Williams. The team is seriously looking at Biyombo and Thompson at No. 8 and Morris has an outside shot as well. Both Biyombo and Thompson have a lot of similarities and it should be big for Pistons president Joe Dumars to see them go head-to-head. This will be the first time Dumars has seen Biyombo live.


    Derrick Williams could end up as the No. 1 pick, while Kyle Singler may slip into the first round.
    International intrigue

    Many of the top international prospects in the draft remain men of mystery at the moment.

    Lithuanian big man Jonas Valanciunas has yet to get an NBA buyout with his team in Lithuania. The Cavs are very high on Valanciunas with the fourth pick, but if he cannot resolve the buyout, he's likely to slide and slide hard. Sources close to Valanciunas' camp told me they feel like he won't get past the Rockets at No. 14. But still, that's a major slide for a player ranked as highly as Valanciunas.

    On the plus side for Valanciunas, I was going over some of my notes from the Eurocamp and noticed that I failed to mention that Valanciunas had very impressive measurements at the camp. He measured a legit seven feet in shoes, weighed 245 pounds, had a 7-foot-4 wingspan and an impressive 9-foot-3 standing reach. While that doesn't make him the tallest player in the draft (Nikola Vucevic and Jeremy Tyler both measured with larger standing reaches) it does quiet anyone who doubts he's big enough to play center in the NBA.

    Meanwhile the Czech Republic's Jan Vesely worked out in front of several teams in New Jersey on Sunday. The Toronto Raptors, Kings and Wizards -- probably the three teams highest on him -- were all scheduled to attend. Another team that was invited, the Pistons, met with him on Saturday but didn't attend the workout.

    The Congo's Bismack Biyombo begins his workouts on Monday. He'll have the Raptors come visit him in New York then he'll fly to Detroit for that big Pistons workout on Tuesday. He'll then return to New York for a visit with the Knicks on Wednesday. Of the group, the Raptors are the most intriguing team. Sources say they have strong interest in him as a potential athletic shot blocker to pair on the floor with Andrea Bargnani.

    Lithuanian big man Donatas Motiejunas, coming off a very shaky workout in Italy, also has made his way to the U.S. for workouts. He worked out for the Houston Rockets and San Antonio Spurs over the weekend and still has workouts scheduled with the Philadelphia 76ers and Knicks. Motiejunas draft stock has been sliding in recent weeks and he's attempting to find his floor. All four of the teams he's visiting have serious interest, but he's not a lock to go to any of them. While he's been projected by various sources as a lottery pick, it looks like his true draft range is 16-29 -- a range we've had him for months.

    Going deep

    Mock Draft 6.0 is coming tomorrow and for the first time this year, will have a full second round mock as well.

    I continue to hear that several players not in the first round of Mock 5.0 should be there in 6.0. Iman Shumpert is getting looks everywhere from 17 to 27. Kyle Singler has strong interest from the Oklahoma City Thunder at No. 24. Chandler Parsons is also getting terrific buzz from 18 to 32.

    If all three are in, that's three spots in the first round that someone is going to have to give up.

    Going green

    Speaking of draft ranges. Every year, the NBA tips its hand as to who it believes are the top 14 or 15 prospects in the draft with its annual "green room" invitations.

    This year's invitees to the June 23 draft include:

    Kyrie Irving (Duke); Derrick Williams (Arizona); Enes Kanter (Turkey); Brandon Knight (Kentucky); Kemba Walker (UConn); Jonas Valanciunas (Lithuania); Jan Vesely (Czech Republic); Kawhi Leonard (San Diego State); Chris Singleton (Florida State); Klay Thompson (Washington State); Tristan Thompson (Texas); Jimmer Fredette (BYU); Marcus Morris (Kansas); and Alec Burks (Colorado).

    A 15th name -- Markieff Morris of Kansas -- can effectively be added to the list as well. Markieff is Marcus Morris' twin and will get an invite from his brother.

    The only conspicuous name left off the list is Bismack Biyombo. Several others, including USC's Nikola Vucevic, Providence's Marshon Brooks and Texas' Jordan Hamilton have an outside shot of cracking the lottery as well.

    Butler's destination

    After the story of Jimmy Butler's amazing journey to the NBA went viral this weekend, I've been flooded with questions about where he's going in the NBA draft.

    Butler has worked out well wherever he's gone. He's had a huge number of workouts and the consensus among NBA teams is that he's a late first to early second-round pick.

    A few teams in the first like the Rockets, Thunder, Boston Celtics and Chicago Bulls are all giving him looks in the first. In the second round, the Cavs, Pistons, Kings and Wizards all have interest as well. If he doesn't go in the first, I think his wait will be pretty short in the second.

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    In order to ensure that the Knicks get Jimmer, they have to either swap picks with the Warriors at 11 to try to pick him up before the Jazz, Suns or the Pacers take him for themselves. Or AT the very least....try to convince the Jazz, Suns or Pacers to swap picks....which I doubt that they would do.

    But this all depends on what the Jazz do with the #3 pick while there is a chance that the Suns simply bypass Jimmer entirely.
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    Mark it right here, Kemba Walker will be the one who slips on draft night. With Jimmer taking his place as the player who was drafted too high.

    Also shame on Shelvin Mack who refused a workout with the Pacers. Based on our draft position, We could very easily trade back into the late first round. I'd think as player who is not even garuanteed to go in the 1st round one would work out for any team who requests you.
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    Also shame on Shelvin Mack who refused a workout with the Pacers. Based on our draft position, We could very easily trade back into the late first round. I'd think as player who is not even garuanteed to go in the 1st round one would work out for any team who requests you.
    If the Pacers don't already have a good feel for Shelvin Mack, a guy who plays in their own backyard, then I'd really question their scouts.

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    If Kemba falls to us you have to take him right? I mean at the very least he's a better version of AJ Price.

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    If Kemba falls to us you have to take him right? I mean at the very least he's a better version of AJ Price.
    Without a doubt, never happen though. Read some interesting info about his Point Guard abilities. Some say he IS a Point Guard and always has been. Ya, he's not tall, but he's very quick. I think maybe teams are missing the boat on him if he doesn't go top 7.

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    If by some fluke chance Kemba Walker slips all the way to #15 and we DON'T draft him, I might actually lose my mind.
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    What's interesting is that I find that there a many Mocks that have the Jazz picking a PG with the 3rd Pick and then Singleton at the #12 pick.

    Here's what I'm looking for....if the Jazz draft a PG with the #3 pick......then there is a chance that IF the Kings pass on Jimmer and pick up Leonard or even Vesely, then there is a possiblilty that he can fall to the Pacers at #15.
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    What's interesting is that I find that there a many Mocks that have the Jazz picking a PG with the 3rd Pick and then Singleton at the #12 pick.

    Here's what I'm looking for....if the Jazz draft a PG with the #3 pick......then there is a chance that IF the Kings pass on Jimmer and pick up Leonard or even Vesely, then there is a possiblilty that he can fall to the Pacers at #15.
    He has to get past the Suns too who like him quite a bit.

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    Are you guys ready to have two waterbugs at the point, though? I think we need someone big to backup DC.

    Like Jarrett Jack.

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    If Kemba falls to us, you take him and run like the wind.

    He may very well be a star in the league.

    Not a pure PG though but skilled. Much better than A.J. Price for sure.
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    I can't fathom Walker falling to 15.
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    I can't fathom Walker falling to 15.
    the Bobcats at 9 would take him that's as far as I can see him falling.

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    If Kemba falls to us you have to take him right? I mean at the very least he's a better version of AJ Price.
    Of course you take him and run, completely different player than Price though. Actually, he's a tinier, better defending version of Collison. (Really, I can't tell you how similar DC looked to Kemba in Kemba's sophomore year...almost scary.)

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    I disagree Sookie. You need to stop remembering college AJ and start recognizing NBA AJ who is a scorer first in every sense. To me that is what Kemba would be too.

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    Anyone interested in Jonas Valanciunas... they are saying that if he reaches a buyout that he won't be able to come to the nba til 2012 which may allow him to slip pretty far, I know that we already have Roy but this kid is young, long, athletic, agile, and has tons of upside... If only for the trade potential he definitely would have to be in the mix if he was still there...IMO

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    Of course you take him and run, completely different player than Price though. Actually, he's a tinier, better defending version of Collison. (Really, I can't tell you how similar DC looked to Kemba in Kemba's sophomore year...almost scary.)
    He play the game different than DC by a lot. He is much much much better defender Kemba is probably the best defender at the pg position in the draft (besides Reggie Jackson). Kemba is also a leader and that cant be under valued he also has a much better shot release than Darren and will be able to get more shots off at the next level than Dc can IMO.

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    He play the game different than DC by a lot. He is much much much better defender Kemba is probably the best defender at the pg position in the draft (besides Reggie Jackson)....
    Iman Shumpert is the best PG defender in this draft.

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    Iman Shumpert is the best PG defender in this draft.
    Iman is a SG IMO and that is your opinion mine is different. I feel Kemba and Reggie are the best at defense. Iman isn't a good enough pg to be able to play pg in the NBA IMO.

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    I disagree Sookie. You need to stop remembering college AJ and start recognizing NBA AJ who is a scorer first in every sense. To me that is what Kemba would be too.
    But that's not what I'm talking about. Do you consider DC and AJ to be the same type of player? Both have been "score-first" type of point guards so far, but they look like completely different players to me. Despite the fact that both look to score.

    Kemba, like DC, uses his speed to get the type of shot he wants. Like DC, he'd much rather go to the basket than shoot a jump shot. He's so fast he can be out of control, and he even does some of the silly "dribble the ball off his own foot" crap that DC had a tendency to do, in his sophomore season. From the way they move on the court to the type of mistakes they make. They are similar players. Kemba grew up from a lot of that (which is part of the reason why I stick up for DC) in college, I don't know whether it'll return in the pros or not. But if you want a look at what Kemba will probably look like, it's similar to DC.

    Price is much more methodical, he'd rather play a half court game (really, he would) He'll use quickness when he needs to, but it's more sneaky..not full on speed. And he'd obviously prefer to settle for jump shots rather than go to the basket.

    Different players. Whether we want to agree on what Price is or not. Only real similarity between Price and Kemba's game is both are far more cocky/arrogant than DC is.

    edit: I'd actually say DC's shot is more accurate than Kemba's. Although, Kemba does take harder shots. And I actually think Kemba will have to become more pass first in this league in order to be a really good PG.
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    Klay Thompson

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    Are you guys ready to have two waterbugs at the point, though? I think we need someone big to backup DC.

    Like Jarrett Jack.
    I could see this happening IF we don't get Jimmer and I'd be okay with that.
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    Knicks may trade up for Jimmer Fredette
    June, 20, 2011
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    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?...aft&id=6680436



    But he's not the only possibility. Klay Thompson has been dominant in workouts up to this point and might be a better option for the Jazz because of his deep shooting ability. Burks would give them more athleticism in their backcourt. Morris' ability to play both the the 3 and the 4 will be intriguing and Hamilton is a major scoring threat. Harris and Honeycutt are more well-rounded point forwards who'd also fit needs.



    This is the first time I've heard that Thompson has dominated workouts. Knowing how the Pacers work, I would not be surprised if he is the one they're targeting with Jimmer and Markieff Morris as 2nd options. I really think the Marshon Brooks hype is all smoke.

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    ESPN just compared Derrick Williams to a more powerful, more athletic Danny Granger and said Granger is a better athlete than people give him credit for. Another expert compared Derrick Williams to David West.

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