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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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  • Reggie Williams (Golden State)

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=20141

    By: Lang Greene Last Updated: 6/16/11 8:13 AM ET | 3650 times read

    The 2011 season is over, a new champion has been crowned and the focus has steadily shifted toward the upcoming NBA Draft and free agency (barring a lockout).
    Every season there is a group of players, either through free agency or trade, who suddenly impose their presence on the scene or reinvent themselves after being buried deep on a team's respective depth chart.
    This past season granted us plenty of examples of redemption stories.
    Michael Beasley emerged as a big time scoring threat in Minnesota after struggling with the veteran laden Miami HEAT early in his career.
    Marcin Gortat was withering away on Orlando's bench behind Dwight Howard until dealt to Phoenix where he averaged nearly a double-double.
    Jordan Crawford played a grand total of 160 minutes for Atlanta before he was dealt to Washington and finished the season on a torrid scoring streak.
    Marcus Thornton couldn't break head coach Monty Williams' rotation in New Orleans, but after being dealt to Sacramento he averaged over 20 points per contest.
    Here is a list of players who would benefit from a change of scenery in 2012. Make sure you give your list in the comment section below.
    Josh Smith, Atlanta Hawks, Power Forward
    Drafted by the Hawks in 2004 as a small forward prospect, Smith has become one of the most electrifying power forwards in the game today. In fact most would agree he has all the tools to be a perennial All-Star.
    Unfortunately, Smith may have worn out his welcome in Atlanta.
    Smith's penchant for loitering on the deep perimeter and hoisting low percentage jumpers has steadily turned a lot of fans of the team against him. This was evident by the groans from the crowd whenever it appeared he was going into shooting form from the outside during the playoffs.
    Whether Smith is being encouraged by the coaching staff to launch so many perimeter shots or if he's defying their requests to go inside remains a topic of debate amongst analysts and fans.
    One thing is for certain; the offensive schemes designed by former coach Mike Woodson and current head coach Larry Drew haven't complemented Smith's raw athleticism and speed advantages he possesses over opposing defenders.
    Since the season ended there have been rampant rumors regarding the club's willingness to deal Smith this offseason if the trade would yield a significant piece(s) in return.
    For Smith, a deal to a Western Conference team who plays at a faster pace with less half court sets might be the final nudge that lifts his game to the next level – the All-Star level.
    Raymond Felton, Point Guard, Denver Nuggets
    After helping to lead the Charlotte Bobcats to their first ever postseason appearance in 2010, the franchise basically let Felton walk out the front door unimpeded during free agency last summer.
    Felton eventually signed a two-year $15 million deal with the New York Knicks.
    During the early portion of this past season Felton earned his share of All-Star candidate buzz by rolling to averages of 17.1 points and 9 assists for a surging Knicks squad before the All-Star break.
    However, the All-Star nomination never came, but what did transpire back in February was the Carmelo Anthony to New York deal which sent Felton packing to Denver.
    The Nuggets shipped starting point guard Chauncey Billups to New York as part of the Anthony deal and decided to hand the keys of the offense to second year guard Ty Lawson which effectively made Felton a sixth man for the remainder of the season.
    To Felton's credit, he didn't become a locker room cancer during the Nuggets' surprisingly successful late regular season run but he also didn't shy away from stating he wanted to be a starter and expressing his openness to a trade after the campaign concluded.
    The fifty-four game stint with New York last season proved Felton was a bona fide full-time starter, so a potential deal to a team with a gaping hole at point guard there would be no reason to doubt he could once again flourish with a heavier workload.
    Rodney Stuckey, Point Guard, Detroit Pistons
    Stuckey has been Detroit's starting point guard for the majority of the past three seasons but his presence hasn't contributed to consistent winning and the jury is still out on whether the former Eastern Washington University standout is indeed a true point.
    Earlier this week it was reported the Pistons will tender Stuckey with a qualifying offer which would make the fourth year guard a restricted free agent this summer. The qualifying offer consists of a 30 percent raise on his previous season's salary or approximately $3.9 million dollars – far below his market value. For the rebuilding Pistons tendering the qualifying offer had to be done because it gives the team the option to match any offer for Stuckey's services and allows them to potentially use him as an asset in a sign-and-trade transaction.
    Stuckey hasn't exactly been awful during his time as a pro, but a change of scenery and role might be the tool which helps him maximize his true potential.
    Stuckey would likely thrive as the first guard off the bench for a contending team which could use his ability to score consistently and handling the ball while initiating the offense in spots.
    Reggie Williams, Shooting Guard, Golden State Warriors
    In just over 100 games played as a professional Williams has established himself as a legit highly efficient double-digit scoring threat despite playing behind two of the most talented guards in the game – Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry.
    Williams was on the books last season for roughly $762,000 and will be a restricted free agent this summer. The Warriors would love to keep him as a strong backup on their bench but aren't expected to invest heavily with two potent guards already higher on the depth chart.
    In fact, Williams told HOOPSWORLD back in January that he would love to remain in the bay area but admitted it was tough playing behind the duo of Ellis ad Curry.
    "I would love to be in Golden State," Williams told HOOPSWORLD back in January. "I love the Bay Area, I love the fans, I like my team and I'm used to the system. But you never know what happens in the offseason. The offseason is crazy from what I learned last summer. So we'll just have to see. It's tough for me coming behind Monta and Steph who are great players. They come out every night and perform well. Here I try to find minutes where I get them. The minutes that I play, I have to just come in and produce and do the best that I can."
    There are numerous teams which need two guard help such as Chicago, Atlanta (provided Jamal Crawford doesn't return) and Indiana which will make Williams an attractive free agent candidate and a player to watch for a breakthrough season in 2012.
    Marvin Williams, Small Forward, Atlanta Hawks
    Williams will always be known as the guy Atlanta selected over point guards Chris Paul and Deron Williams in the 2005 draft.
    There's no way around that.
    But what's often lost in translation is the fact Williams has established himself as a more than capable starter on four playoff units. He's also recorded double-digit scoring averages in five of his first six campaigns despite being a fifth option in the offense in recent years.
    Williams shoots a decent percentage from the floor (45 percent career) and free throw line (81 percent career) and is a solid rebounder at small forward.
    If given an increased role in a different uniform Williams could possibly match his 2008 season output where he averaged 14.8 points and 6 rebounds on 46 percent shooting.
    Carl Landry, Power Forward, New Orleans Hornets
    Landry will undoubtedly be one of the most targeted power forwards in this year's free agent class.
    Over the past several seasons Landry has been hindered by either playing behind a more established power forward (Luis Scola in Houston, David West in New Orleans) or an up and coming rookie a franchise is investing its hopes in (DeMarcus Cousins in Sacramento).
    The 2012 campaign is where Landry will emerge from the shadows and solidify himself as a team's power forward of the future.
    J.J. Redick, Shooting Guard, Orlando Magic
    The Chicago Bulls thought so highly of Redick last summer they offered him a three-year $20 million deal. The Orlando Magic unexpectedly matched the offer in order to keep their perimeter firepower in-house as they attempted to make a title run.
    Heading into 2012 it would appear Redick is a little further down the pecking order of guards in Orlando.
    The Magic's top priority this offseason is re-signing shooting guard Jason Richardson and working the struggling Gilbert Arenas into a more involved role in the rotation.
    Redick would start on more than a handful of teams around the league and has increased his scoring averages every season since 2008.
    The only item seemingly hindering his jump to a more prominent status is playing time, which would change in a different city wearing a new uniform.

    Does anyone know very much about him? Would he be a good FA target for us?
    Last edited by NapTonius Monk; 06-16-2011, 05:17 PM.

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    Re: Reggie Williams (Golden State)

    he can score one of the best scorers in college and has good size. He would be a decent guy to play 15-20mpg as a scorer in the 2nd unit IMO.

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      Re: Reggie Williams (Golden State)

      This same thread has already been started by 90'sNBARocked:

      http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=65188
      I know "Sleeze" is spelled incorrectly. I spell it this way because it's based on a name.

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