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    The 2011 season is over, a new champion has been crowned and the focus has steadily shifted toward the upcoming NBA Draft and free agency (barring a lockout).

    Every season there is a group of players, either through free agency or trade, who suddenly impose their presence on the scene or reinvent themselves after being buried deep on a team's respective depth chart.

    This past season granted us plenty of examples of redemption stories.

    Michael Beasley emerged as a big time scoring threat in Minnesota after struggling with the veteran laden Miami HEAT early in his career.

    Marcin Gortat was withering away on Orlando's bench behind Dwight Howard until dealt to Phoenix where he averaged nearly a double-double.

    Jordan Crawford played a grand total of 160 minutes for Atlanta before he was dealt to Washington and finished the season on a torrid scoring streak.

    Marcus Thornton couldn't break head coach Monty Williams' rotation in New Orleans, but after being dealt to Sacramento he averaged over 20 points per contest.

    Here is a list of players who would benefit from a change of scenery in 2012. Make sure you give your list in the comment section below.

    Josh Smith, Atlanta Hawks, Power Forward

    Drafted by the Hawks in 2004 as a small forward prospect, Smith has become one of the most electrifying power forwards in the game today. In fact most would agree he has all the tools to be a perennial All-Star.

    Unfortunately, Smith may have worn out his welcome in Atlanta.

    Smith's penchant for loitering on the deep perimeter and hoisting low percentage jumpers has steadily turned a lot of fans of the team against him. This was evident by the groans from the crowd whenever it appeared he was going into shooting form from the outside during the playoffs.

    Whether Smith is being encouraged by the coaching staff to launch so many perimeter shots or if he's defying their requests to go inside remains a topic of debate amongst analysts and fans.

    One thing is for certain; the offensive schemes designed by former coach Mike Woodson and current head coach Larry Drew haven't complemented Smith's raw athleticism and speed advantages he possesses over opposing defenders.

    Since the season ended there have been rampant rumors regarding the club's willingness to deal Smith this offseason if the trade would yield a significant piece(s) in return.


    For Smith, a deal to a Western Conference team who plays at a faster pace with less half court sets might be the final nudge that lifts his game to the next level the All-Star level.

    Raymond Felton, Point Guard, Denver Nuggets

    After helping to lead the Charlotte Bobcats to their first ever postseason appearance in 2010, the franchise basically let Felton walk out the front door unimpeded during free agency last summer.

    Felton eventually signed a two-year $15 million deal with the New York Knicks.

    During the early portion of this past season Felton earned his share of All-Star candidate buzz by rolling to averages of 17.1 points and 9 assists for a surging Knicks squad before the All-Star break.

    However, the All-Star nomination never came, but what did transpire back in February was the Carmelo Anthony to New York deal which sent Felton packing to Denver.

    The Nuggets shipped starting point guard Chauncey Billups to New York as part of the Anthony deal and decided to hand the keys of the offense to second year guard Ty Lawson which effectively made Felton a sixth man for the remainder of the season.

    To Felton's credit, he didn't become a locker room cancer during the Nuggets' surprisingly successful late regular season run but he also didn't shy away from stating he wanted to be a starter and expressing his openness to a trade after the campaign concluded.

    The fifty-four game stint with New York last season proved Felton was a bona fide full-time starter, so a potential deal to a team with a gaping hole at point guard there would be no reason to doubt he could once again flourish with a heavier workload.

    Rodney Stuckey, Point Guard, Detroit Pistons

    Stuckey has been Detroit's starting point guard for the majority of the past three seasons but his presence hasn't contributed to consistent winning and the jury is still out on whether the former Eastern Washington University standout is indeed a true point.

    Earlier this week it was reported the Pistons will tender Stuckey with a qualifying offer which would make the fourth year guard a restricted free agent this summer. The qualifying offer consists of a 30 percent raise on his previous season's salary or approximately $3.9 million dollars far below his market value.

    For the rebuilding Pistons tendering the qualifying offer had to be done because it gives the team the option to match any offer for Stuckey's services and allows them to potentially use him as an asset in a sign-and-trade transaction.

    Stuckey hasn't exactly been awful during his time as a pro, but a change of scenery and role might be the tool which helps him maximize his true potential.

    Stuckey would likely thrive as the first guard off the bench for a contending team which could use his ability to score consistently and handling the ball while initiating the offense in spots.

    Reggie Williams, Shooting Guard, Golden State Warriors

    In just over 100 games played as a professional Williams has established himself as a legit highly efficient double-digit scoring threat despite playing behind two of the most talented guards in the game Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry.

    Williams was on the books last season for roughly $762,000 and will be a restricted free agent this summer. The Warriors would love to keep him as a strong backup on their bench but aren't expected to invest heavily with two potent guards already higher on the depth chart.

    In fact, Williams told HOOPSWORLD back in January that he would love to remain in the bay area but admitted it was tough playing behind the duo of Ellis ad Curry.

    "I would love to be in Golden State," Williams told HOOPSWORLD back in January. "I love the Bay Area, I love the fans, I like my team and I'm used to the system. But you never know what happens in the offseason. The offseason is crazy from what I learned last summer. So we'll just have to see. It's tough for me coming behind Monta and Steph who are great players. They come out every night and perform well. Here I try to find minutes where I get them. The minutes that I play, I have to just come in and produce and do the best that I can."

    There are numerous teams which need two guard help such as Chicago, Atlanta (provided Jamal Crawford doesn't return) and Indiana which will make Williams an attractive free agent candidate and a player to watch for a breakthrough season in 2012.

    Marvin Williams, Small Forward, Atlanta Hawks

    Williams will always be known as the guy Atlanta selected over point guards Chris Paul and Deron Williams in the 2005 draft.

    There's no way around that.

    But what's often lost in translation is the fact Williams has established himself as a more than capable starter on four playoff units. He's also recorded double-digit scoring averages in five of his first six campaigns despite being a fifth option in the offense in recent years.

    Williams shoots a decent percentage from the floor (45 percent career) and free throw line (81 percent career) and is a solid rebounder at small forward.

    If given an increased role in a different uniform Williams could possibly match his 2008 season output where he averaged 14.8 points and 6 rebounds on 46 percent shooting.

    Carl Landry, Power Forward, New Orleans Hornets

    Landry will undoubtedly be one of the most targeted power forwards in this year's free agent class.

    Over the past several seasons Landry has been hindered by either playing behind a more established power forward (Luis Scola in Houston, David West in New Orleans) or an up and coming rookie a franchise is investing its hopes in (DeMarcus Cousins in Sacramento).

    The 2012 campaign is where Landry will emerge from the shadows and solidify himself as a team's power forward of the future.


    J.J. Redick, Shooting Guard, Orlando Magic

    The Chicago Bulls thought so highly of Redick last summer they offered him a three-year $20 million deal. The Orlando Magic unexpectedly matched the offer in order to keep their perimeter firepower in-house as they attempted to make a title run.

    Heading into 2012 it would appear Redick is a little further down the pecking order of guards in Orlando.

    The Magic's top priority this offseason is re-signing shooting guard Jason Richardson and working the struggling Gilbert Arenas into a more involved role in the rotation.

    Redick would start on more than a handful of teams around the league and has increased his scoring averages every season since 2008.

    The only item seemingly hindering his jump to a more prominent status is playing time, which would change in a different city wearing a new uniform.

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    i rly rly rly rly like reggie williams

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    i rly rly rly rly like reggie williams
    Me too. I hated it when we traded him for Vincent Askew.
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    Me too. I hated it when we traded him for Vincent Askew.
    LMAO

    Major shout out for the Vincent Askew reference

    was he part of the Jerome "Pooh" Richardson trade? lol
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    LMAO

    Major shout out for the Vincent Askew reference

    was he part of the Jerome "Pooh" Richardson trade? lol
    Sort of a 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon situation. We traded Pooh to the Clippers to get Mark Jackson, then traded Action Jackson to Denver for Jalen Rose and Reggie Williams. We then traded Williams to New Jersey for Askew. Then traded Askew to Denver to get Jackson back that same season, if my memory isn't failing me.
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    First off, J.Smith has been dicussed so much on this board we almost know what type and color underwear he wears. I am of the opinion that it will take too much to pry him away from the ATL. Although, he would be the perfect fit next to Big Roy.
    Second, Landry has been discussed almost as much as J.Smith. He would be great to add to our rooster for offensive production, but he is undersized and doesn't rebound all that great. I think Tyler can put up number comparable or better than Landry's next year. (and I am a Purdue guy)
    Third, R.Williams is very intriguing. When given minutes he puts up good numbers. I am not sure what it would take to get him, but I hope Bird is giving the Warriors a call about him.
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    I would be very interested in Reggie Williams. If you tell him he will get to compete for a starting spot and will play solid minutes regardless of whether he starts or not, the money will then be able to talk on its own. The man lead the nation in scoring for two years when he was at VMI, so he clearly can put the ball in the basket as he has shown already in the NBA.

    PS - My girlfriend is really good friends with him. They grew up together and went to the same small high school in southern Virginia. I will have her text him and tell him to sign with us.

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    I would be very interested in Reggie Williams. If you tell him he will get to compete for a starting spot and will play solid minutes regardless of whether he starts or not, the money will then be able to talk on its own. The man lead the nation in scoring for two years when he was at VMI, so he clearly can put the ball in the basket as he has shown already in the NBA.

    PS - My girlfriend is really good friends with him. They grew up together and went to the same small high school in southern Virginia. I will have her text him and tell him to sign with us.
    Does he even play any defense? or did his time at GS discourage that?

    Got to believ he nwould be better than Rush and would move PG to the bench which would stregnthen our team

    Shouldnt cost much

    Who is better though Regie Williams or Anthony Morrow?
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    He is a solid defender. He certainly is not a lock down guy, but he is not a liability defensively either.

    He has ridiculous range on his jumper.

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    he can score one of the best scorers in college and has good size. He would be a decent guy to play 15-25mpg as a scorer in the 2nd unit IMO. Take Dunleavys minutes it all depends who we draft next Thursday. What i like about him is he can play both wing postions and can shoot and score very well.
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    I would be very interested in Reggie Williams. If you tell him he will get to compete for a starting spot and will play solid minutes regardless of whether he starts or not, the money will then be able to talk on its own. The man lead the nation in scoring for two years when he was at VMI, so he clearly can put the ball in the basket as he has shown already in the NBA.

    PS - My girlfriend is really good friends with him. They grew up together and went to the same small high school in southern Virginia. I will have her text him and tell him to sign with us.
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    If we're looking for a second unit scorer, how about Jermaine Taylor? He was just waived by Sacto.

    I've been impressed by what I've seen of him. Not a shooter, but very explosive. His bad luck is that he's been caught in a numbers game at his previous stops. Rockets traded him to the Kings to clear their logjam when they acquired Twill. The Kings played him for a bit, but his minutes dried up when the Kings acquired Marcus Thornton.

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    Josh Smith would obviously be the best player the Pacers can add. He would improve the team the most.

    I would be very happy with Carl Landry though. Forget Nene and the other bigger names in the free agent class. Carl would be nice to have either starting or off the bench. I think he would be an upgrade over McRoberts.

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    I feel like Carl Landry is a waste of cap space if we were to sign him, just like if we were to sign Kris Humphries, Kenyon Martin, or Jeff Green. They're not good enough to get big, long contracts, and they aren't a significant upgrade over what we currently have.

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    Josh Smith is who we need and it sounds like his value is going down.

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    If we're looking for a second unit scorer, how about Jermaine Taylor? He was just waived by Sacto.

    I've been impressed by what I've seen of him. Not a shooter, but very explosive. His bad luck is that he's been caught in a numbers game at his previous stops. Rockets traded him to the Kings to clear their logjam when they acquired Twill. The Kings played him for a bit, but his minutes dried up when the Kings acquired Marcus Thornton.
    I like the idea of that he seems like a pretty competent player to me

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    I would argue that Kenyon Martin would be a great addition to our front court. I don't see that happening, even remotely, but he would be a good addition. Landry would too, but we would be looking at a longer term, bigger deal for a guy that will force us to split the PF minutes, because neither would be capable of playing any center.

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    Josh Smith is who we need and it sounds like his value is going down.
    I doubt that his value will go down enough for the Pacers to acquire him. My guess is that the cost would be PG+Multiple 1st+TPE.
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    If Smith can't be convinced - even in postseason - to not consistently chuck 3s, as opposed to play to his strengths, how are we going to convince him to do that?

    Announcers on playoff broadcasts talked as if Drew and the team were constantly trying to talk Smith into dropping the outside BS and making things happen around the basket with his athleticism. Fans were groaning with each three he hoisted.

    Add that to complaints about his on and off attitude and diva-ness and I say I don't know if I want to shell out for that. Sorry.
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    I think Reggie Williams could be a descent pick up. But GS is looking to deal Ellis, and I think Williams is a reason why. He is a little bit of a security blanket for them, and I think they'll resign him after they trade Monta.

    Another guy I like is Marvin Williams. He is an under rated defender who shoots good percentages from the field. And if we chose to deal Danny he would be a good guy to get to replace him. Atlanta would likely give him to us for a draft pick just to dump his salary which is much more manageable for a team like us.
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    I guess I'm one of the few on this board that wants no part of Josh Smith.

    He's a very good player, but is to much of a tweener. He can't really play SF and is not really big enough to be a great PF. His strengths are off set by his weaknesses and his game from the neck up is a big question mark. I also believe he has about reached his peak, and could start regressing. JMO
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    He can't really play SF and is not really big enough to be a great PF.
    I'm tired of reading this here. He's 1 inch, and 10 pounds less than Karl Malone. He weighs more than Chris Bosh, Kevin Garnett, Rasheed Wallace, and the same as Dirk.

    He's plenty big for a PF, and IS a power forward.

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    If Smith can't be convinced - even in postseason - to not consistently chuck 3s, as opposed to play to his strengths, how are we going to convince him to do that?
    He was convinced plenty under Woodson. In Woodson's last 3 years, in 231 games, Josh took 193 three point shots. It was something Drew did, or didn't do.

    Even under Drew he only took 150 threes. This whole thing is blown out of proportion. It's a sign of why he needs to be moved. They're nit picking everything he does, or doesn't do there.

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    I feel like Carl Landry is a waste of cap space if we were to sign him, just like if we were to sign Kris Humphries, Kenyon Martin, or Jeff Green. They're not good enough to get big, long contracts, and they aren't a significant upgrade over what we currently have.
    I'll disagree with Kris Humpheries.

    I know that many think that he's nothing but a scrub Big Man....but he can easily be the guy that does everything else that neither of our Big Men are capable of doing VERY WELL....rebounding at a very high rate. He also provides solid Low-Post defense and the rest of the "dirty work" that no one else likes to do ( which is what he did in NJ next to Brook Lopez ).

    Despite putting up 10/10 playing 28 mpg in a Contract year and not doing much before in Dallas....when given time in NJ in the last 1.5 season....even over the span of 44 games in the 2009-2010 season, he put up 8/6 with 20mpg. He may not be an upgrade over either as a scoring Big Man on the offensive end...but he'd be a solid replacement for Foster in the lineup on the rebounding and defensive end.
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    If Smith can't be convinced - even in postseason - to not consistently chuck 3s, as opposed to play to his strengths, how are we going to convince him to do that?

    Announcers on playoff broadcasts talked as if Drew and the team were constantly trying to talk Smith into dropping the outside BS and making things happen around the basket with his athleticism. Fans were groaning with each three he hoisted.

    Add that to complaints about his on and off attitude and diva-ness and I say I don't know if I want to shell out for that. Sorry.
    Totally agree on this.....especially the highlighted part above. It's entirely possible that his Coach told him to chuck up those 3pt shots.....but I'm going to err on the side that suggests that he was the one that decided to take those shots.

    But with that...I'd guess I'd live with that IF he could be had for a price that the Pacers are willing to pay. It's entirely possible that he could change his tune ( a la Amare ) if he was moved to a Team where he would likely have a far clearer role on the offensive end as the LIKELY 2nd scoring option. But realistically, short of the Pacers significantly overpaying and therefore outmatching any offer that any other Team can make....I'm not going to hold my breath on the Hawks trading Josh Smith to another Eastern Conference Team.
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